I would be happy to see a show jon bon jovi solo with Phil, but not one of Bon Jovi.

For me, Bon Jovi are the union of Jon and Richie. They have something special like Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, Plant and Page, Mccartney and Lennon.

It's a shame that most fans only follow THE MAN.

Phil X has no guitar solos as Dry County, Nex 100 years, never has composed and written songs like Stranger in this town or Seven Years Gone. It all counts.

Irony? Where? You're not one of these ones who pretends to know what irony is when you have no clue?

I know what you said. My problem is your use of the word full stop, not that I thought you were calling me anything. You obviously think you're big and clever, obviously thought it was funny and undoubtedly sniggered away when you used it again in replying to Twinfan. Trying to mark yourself out as funny, edgy, controversial. All you've really marked yourself as is a scumbag with a very loose sense of decency.

Phil can play the guitar very well in "born to be my baby" and classic songs by "AC / DC" or "Led Zeppelin", but that does not make big.

Sure, it is about Jon & Rich. But they are not anywhere near others mentioned. Those others are more or less equal partners. While in BJ camp its like JON & rich.

Yeah but on here most fans follow THE BAND. Right now the band is minus Richie, for whatever reason. I'm a big fan of the Jon/Richie magic, but it isn't available right now. So I'm making the most of what is there and frankly had my eyes opened to Phil's talents. It doesn't matter that he didn't write the songs, he plays them great. Richie may have that extra emotional attachment to some songs, but its mood-dependant whether he shows that or runs through it on auto-pilot. Phil is doing what he can to knock it out the park each night. It's refreshing to see someone take these great songs and have so much fun with them. If you can be honest, you can't always guarantee Richie's performance.

Richie is co-writter, Jon has always referred to him as his right hand. Remember the Jon and Richie acoustic hand to hand without the band, is pure magic and feeling.

1º
2º
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If Jon says Richie is replaceable, which is easy to replace, my God, think of Tico? (not even play his drums on last record), and David? (not even happy with the vision of Jon).




I can't see something similar in Phil X, not now, not in the future. He's better than Bobby, but nothing more.


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richie took a massive s**t with his clothes on when he decided to just disappear off the tour... it can be any deep personal problem if he's f**king great and teaching his daughter to drive...

right now i cant be bothered if he comes back... after seeing phil in slane and manchester i say carry on without him

You said you weren't po face then went on to say said you were a decent person, which is a po faced thing to say, that's the irony.

Calling me a scumbag for using a word you don't like says more about your decency than it does mine.

I bet you're a Daily Mail reader.

What world are you living on?

You might try to blind non guitar players with this rubbish but in reality Richie is far superior. Phil X is a hatchet man. He smiles more than Richie though, I'll give him that.

Looks like it. What a precious little girl this Solid Sambora guy is.

Jon said bad things about Richie Sambora, hinting that he had alcohol problems. Jon makes his return difficult.

You prefer to continue with an empty show, I've had enough. I prefer complain and make noise to change things.


-1º (minute 1:25 is ****ing great :D)


-2º (two merge into one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oti_Nxc534#t=0m10s


-3º (what do I do when my love is away?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91ntyvn3uM4#t=02m53s


Jon must strive to win back Richie Sambora.

I keep reading that...and I don't see it. I've actually had the same conversation with some people who used to post on this forum and they can't see it either. Phil X is a decent guitar player but he played 100 shows by now, he still doesn't get the tone right. I listened to a version of Dry County recently - god awful timing - really awful actually, almost unlistenable! By now he does play the right notes, but as soon as there's even some basic bending involved everything becomes messy. Now some people will say it's all a matter of style and taste and whatever. No it's not. He's in there to replace Sambora and it's pretty obvious to me that he can't replace him (from a musical perspective rather than everything else where he is doing a better job than Richie IMO).

Anyhow, it doesn't really matter, but I'm really curious why anyone would think that he's a better guitar player than Richie Sambora. While he might be cooler, more dynamic, more fun to watch etc....a better player he is not.

Surely my po faced nature would point more towards the Guardian?

And for the record, it's not just some word I don't like. It's a word that to some is downright offensive, and using it in the manner you have is wrong. You compounded your scumbag status by continuing to use it and think you were being humorous in doing so. Calling a scumbag a scumbag doesn't reflect on my decency, just trying to wake you up to reality in the hope you'll drop the offensive patter and work on another form of wit.

Aww, you've got a fwiend.

My thoughts exactly.

There's been a very bitter anti Richie sentiment on here for a while. I don't know why this has come about but it's rearing it's ugly head in these discussions regarding Phil X. People keeping saying "Phil nails the solos" but he doesn't. He uses the same tricks and licks over and over again while never getting close to Richie's class.

I don't give two shits if you're offended. Offence is taken, not given. I thought your point was retarded and your continued bitching about a word is even more retarded. Calling me a scum bag just cements the fact that you're a knee jerk keyboard warrior with little or no sense of irony or humour.

No really, you are just a scumbag. You are not ironoic or humorous. Yes its just a word but to some people its hugely offensive. I get that you don't care about that but that's where the scumbag part comes in.

Let´s just hope that Jon learns sth. from this whole situation, whatever the reasons for this mess are or how it all resolves.

2013 somehow seems worse to me than 1990/91, altough I have to admit I wasn´t a fan back then. You hear the stories that they didn´t talk to each other yet when it was time to appear on award shows together, do a mini Japan Tour or even play Blaze of Glory with Jon at the Oscars, they all showed up.

This tour the lead guitarist dropped out, there are cancelled shows, shows that had to be moved to smaller venues, bad press, pissed fans,...
Jon can smile into the cameras and say that the band is as good as it always has been as often as he wants but it´s apparent that the situation isn´t easy for him. Suddenly people outside of his inner circle are able to see that the machine doesn´t run smoothly and he can´t fix it at the moment.

I hope this all leads into the long break they should have had some years ago. Cause if Jon thinks that they can rush into the next project (with or without Richie) immediatly, I doubt that Tico and David will be as dedicated as they are at the moment.

Oh look, we've discovered that music - like most things in life - is subjective.

Arguing over Phil X isn't getting us anywhere but angry.

Pack it in, children.

I'm pissed off at Richie because he's not on tour and he should be. If there were good reasons given then we'd all have accepted that, likely without a murmur of complaint, but all there is is pictures and tweets of Richie simply without problems it seems.

Phil X is very good and seems to be starting to play around a bit more which he needs to. But he can't take on the other stuff Richie does - he absolutely can't hold a crowd the way Richie does even when Richie's lazy as ****. Give me the choice, I'd pick Richie every time. But there's no choice.

And Phil X came back for another gig too. All of these employees keep coming back yet Richie is the delicate flower of perfection. It cannot be all about fame - Tico and Dave have success outside the band. None of them look like they are miserable.

Maybe Richie is having a mid life crisis - who knows. All we know is he loves his daughter, makes clothes and if ****ing great. Thats it. On the other side the band is filling stadiums without him.

Everyone is ****ing great except the people on this thread.

Look at what you've read - the phrase "it seems". Aka, that's your perception. We DON'T F~%&ING KNOW.

All this crap quoting Richie saying "I'm doing f###ing great" - people love to read something how they want, don't they?
Can't you just accept that, perhaps, it's not to be taken literally?!!?

Jesus....

Hey, baby. Different strokes for different folks. We can't all be as open minded as me.

Yeah well fair play for giving an honest appraisal of what you saw. I was a bit hard on you in previous posts.

Calling people retarded isn't being open minded, just like nothing you have said is ironic. You need some help with the big word huh?

hmm well that was the first "serious" discussion in this thread in weeks!

Couldn't agree more.

1) I said his point was borderline retarded, I didn't call him retarded.

2) I didn't say I said anything ironic. I said Solid Sambora's post was ironic. He didn't get it and neither did you (no surprise)

Now unless you have a real reason for calling a fellow human being a scumbag please go away and play with a stick or something.

I genuinely believe he's just had enough for now and needs a break. I'm quietly confident Jon was the only one who wanted to go back on the road and release an album so quickly. Dave and Tico didn't have anything on the side that a tour would get in the way with and Richie did (whether that be more Aftermath promotion, family or clothing lines). Combine that with an album that is as close to a JBJ solo attempt as we've had since Destination and he snapped.

Probably a heated word or two said out of frustration between the pair backstage and he packed his bags. I really do think its that simple - he wasnt ready to go on a huge tour again and perform an album he probably had very little influence over, was forced into it and snapped during the 1st leg.

I'm not on either side - Jon was probably a pushy CEO one too many times, Richie has been pretty unprofessional to simply walk out but blame aside, the fact is they will not fill stadiums again as it currently stands. Something needs to change because the band is only going one way in almost everyway possible.

Simply untrue.

My thoughts exactly, get them in a room and bang there bloody heads together then drop off the radar for three or four years get some good classic BON JOVI from the heart soulfull material under their belts (not some mass produced "good enough" to fill the album rubbish) , everyone will be a winner in the long term, Richie should be given a lot more input than he has been given for a long time (50/50 for me), Jon will get to have the BIGGEST tours in the world again with his wing man with him, and hence selling mots more tickets, and we the fans (YES THE FANS Jon and Richie, you know the ones who maintain your million dollar yachts,helicopters and palacial houses), will get to see an enlightened, remotivated and fingers crossed a BON JOVI that we all KNEW and loved!!!!!

This is a tough one - I don't think Jon intended to hint at alcohol problems, and may have been misquoted or taken out of context, but he did make a comment about it being the same situation as before, or "we've been through this before", which most people read as being about RS and alcohol etc.
But as I said, that's not really JBJ's fault, or at least isn't anything more than a careless response.
EDIT: Jon was intending to just talk about Phil X helping out again!
No biggie.

When he said that, he meant about the situation of Richie not being there and Phil taking over. He didn't mean the alcohol problems.

:onfire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fhSOcLkMGQ#t=03m00s

Yes, exactly, that's what I was intending to say :)

I know we don't know. If we knew, I might not be pissed off but as it stands, I am - there's a great big ****ing void in the band. Phil's covering pretty well but he's not used to these big stages and just hasn't got the charisma Richie has.

What stood out to me most is when Richie plays the Dry County solo, the crowd are usually cheering when he lets rip, but there was nothing like that with Phil.

That's what I meant as well. He was referring to Richie being MIA, not the alcohol. ;)

Are you suggesting that there might be an equally, very real, possibility that Richie just may have meant "f***in' great" like he used it at 0:15 here? I mean, that's the way I 'heard' it when I saw the tweet; but hey...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AzJy...ayer_embedded#!

Firstly, let me apologise for my sloppy post - ranted during a crap day at work! Sorry for "look at what you read" - that makes no sense! ;)

Anyway...I think it's fine to be pissed off at not knowing. The communication has been piss poor, and this era of social media 24/7 has only made matters worse.
And you're bang on about Phil covering.
But I just don't think it's fair for people to assume Richie has just buggered off and is living the dream and not caring about the situation. My hunch tells me he's got lots to say but it restricted - perhaps legally - to what he can actually announce publically.
I might be way off. I'm also not saying it's Jon - maybe it's a legal thing, maybe it's in the hands of lawyers or record company management suits.
Maybe it's another scenario where the record label or management types have interfered, spread different messages and caused a rift (remember the Doc issue of trying to divide JBJ from the rest of the band, especially RS?).

Who knows. But as a fan I'm willing to give everyone in the band the benefit of the doubt until I know for sure.

Dave has a musical in production in London, a musical that was on a National tour, a musical on it's way to Broadway, a musical being made into a movie and is writing the music to yet another musical. I am pretty sure he could stay busy if he wanted and has more of an excuse than Richie to step away if he chose.

I don't think ANYONE was excited to have Bon Jovi back out this close to the last tour, not the fans, not the band, basically no one but Jon. But it is an integrity thing they signed on so they need to do what they agreed to.

I will NEVER trust Richie will be anywhere again. Luckily he is ****ing great making clothes and teaching his daughter to drive.