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NicoRourke 07-02-2013 10:38 AM

Anyone else finds it funny that since Richie left we have a lot more pictures of Tico and David on the band's FB page?

BJ?YesPlease 07-02-2013 11:08 AM

Glad someone mentioned about the broken shoulder.
Back then Richie, despite suffering such a huge thing for a guitarist, carried on with the tour.

Where's the credit for that?

And ... like someone just said ... that perhaps lead to his later problems. So maybe he's doing the right thing by bailing, knowing its in the best interests of him and the band.

He said he's burnt out in that new interview. I'm not surprised. I don't think most people can appreciate how hard it can be on tour - even as a millionaire.
He wants a break. Even Tico wanted more time. Jon's pushing this band. Too far, in my opinion. BUT - Jon does deserve huge credit because the past few shows he seems to be working harder than ever before to carry it.

If RS comes back later in the year, in better shape, with Jon on the same form, the band could be the best its been for 10 years.

I don't care if have to wait a year, five years....hell, maybe 10 years - but I don't want to see another set of albums that's we've seen since Crush. I want the band back that had passion and integrity. That's not saying I want an old style/production etc - I just want to hear a band doing something for the right reasons.
WAN was too bothered about keeping up with trends - they stole more than one guitar melody/production idea from The Killers, and a whole verse from Matchbox Twenty.

If we have to wait for some amazing, original Bon Jovi, then I'll wait patiently in line.

If Richie's burnt out ... let the guy recover. Stop being so selfish and demanding he play for you. Where's the human quality of having a bit of empathy and understanding? Even if we don't know all the details...

RonJovi 07-02-2013 11:23 AM

That quote re Tico is being taken that Jon forced him out on tour. To me, that's blowing it out of proportion.

As I understand it, Jon said to Tico "Come into the studio" a year or two ago and he said "No". So Jon went and worked on his own.

Tico has had time to recharge the batteries since then and I can't believe that he doesn't want to be out there on tour.

If Richie is burned out then he shouldn't have agreed to tour in the first place.

PatriciaSambora 07-02-2013 11:26 AM

Ava just posted a new video in Rome and talks about Richie but can't understand what she says... Anyone could translate it for me?

DevilsSon 07-02-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriciaSambora (Post 1143968)
Ava just posted a new video in Rome and talks about Richie but can't understand what she says... Anyone could translate it for me?

Try the JBJ translator? Does that one work, maybe? Just trying to be helpful...

ezearis 07-02-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriciaSambora (Post 1143968)
Ava just posted a new video in Rome and talks about Richie but can't understand what she says... Anyone could translate it for me?

Hi Keek, we're in Rome, we're going to meet papa Richie in the lobby, who's getting his glasses, then we're going to a tour in the Vatican and it's going to be really really pretty.

You want it in Spanish?

Hola Keek, estamos en Roma, vamos a encontrarnos con papá Richie en el vestíbulo, fue a buscar sus lentes, y luego vamos a hacer un tour en el Vaticano y va a ser muy muy lindo.

Nothing that anybody should care.

jessycardy 07-02-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1143967)
That quote re Tico is being taken that Jon forced him out on tour. To me, that's blowing it out of proportion.

As I understand it, Jon said to Tico "Come into the studio" a year or two ago and he said "No". So Jon went and worked on his own.

Tico has had time to recharge the batteries since then and I can't believe that he doesn't want to be out there on tour.

If Richie is burned out then he shouldn't have agreed to tour in the first place.

Yes. It's exactly like you said. The Tico thing is being abused when in fact has nothing to do with touring. It was about recording in the studio and Tico DID take his time and Jon worked with someone else in the meantime, so all worked out in the end.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jule225 (Post 1143942)
Not sure if this has been posted, but apparently, he was "burnt," and there is a TV show in the works. :)

http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/index.php/...wid/1_r4sg2xi9

Thank you for this! No, it hadn't been posted yet.

There's a part that I think really deserves our attention. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Richie says: "I think I was a bit burnt and all that kinda stuff so that's really what happened".

As someone pointed out, if you put together all of his interviews and tweets (from the very same day!), they sound off, like they don't really add up. But it could all come down to the usual matter of us not having the full picture.


Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriciaSambora (Post 1143968)
Ava just posted a new video in Rome and talks about Richie but can't understand what she says... Anyone could translate it for me?

She says they're going to the hall to pick up Richie 'cause he went to get his sunglasses, or something along those lines.

Bounce7800 07-02-2013 12:00 PM

If he was so burnt, why do a solo tour during the bands time off?
Maybe it was the timing as the band album was announced before Richie's solo tour was over, but if this was the case then he shouldn't have started the tour.

The deception is the most disappointing part of it all- to save face and not hurt ticket sales the fans have been left in the dark. The situation wouldn't have been as bad if he just announced he was burnt out and would be skipping the tour instead of the circus this has become.

rolo_tomachi 07-02-2013 12:05 PM

JBJ and John Shanks, yesterday in West London.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/3043/t4eg.jpg

WTF???

Crushgen24/88 07-02-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease (Post 1143961)
Glad someone mentioned about the broken shoulder.
Back then Richie, despite suffering such a huge thing for a guitarist, carried on with the tour.

Where's the credit for that?

And ... like someone just said ... that perhaps lead to his later problems. So maybe he's doing the right thing by bailing, knowing its in the best interests of him and the band.

He said he's burnt out in that new interview. I'm not surprised. I don't think most people can appreciate how hard it can be on tour - even as a millionaire.
He wants a break. Even Tico wanted more time. Jon's pushing this band. Too far, in my opinion. BUT - Jon does deserve huge credit because the past few shows he seems to be working harder than ever before to carry it.

If RS comes back later in the year, in better shape, with Jon on the same form, the band could be the best its been for 10 years.

I don't care if have to wait a year, five years....hell, maybe 10 years - but I don't want to see another set of albums that's we've seen since Crush. I want the band back that had passion and integrity. That's not saying I want an old style/production etc - I just want to hear a band doing something for the right reasons.
WAN was too bothered about keeping up with trends - they stole more than one guitar melody/production idea from The Killers, and a whole verse from Matchbox Twenty.

If we have to wait for some amazing, original Bon Jovi, then I'll wait patiently in line.

If Richie's burnt out ... let the guy recover. Stop being so selfish and demanding he play for you. Where's the human quality of having a bit of empathy and understanding? Even if we don't know all the details...

Good lord you're dense about this. I'm going to out this as straightforward as possible:
IF RICHIE WAS SO BURNT OUT HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THE ALBUM TOUR/CYCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. PEOPLE AREN'T MAD THAT HE MAY BE BURNT OUT, THEY'RE MAD THAT HE SKIPPED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS COMMITMENTS. IT WAS COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL, AND IF THERE WAS TRULY SOME GIANT "STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELL'S BACK" RIGHT BEFORE CALGARY, HE SHOULD JUST COME OUT AND SAY "I'm burnt out, and at this time feel that I can't tour." UNTIL THEN, HE COMES OFF LIKE AN ASS WHO TOOK HIS BALL AND WENT HOME.

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1143985)
JBJ and John Shanks, yesterday in West London.

WTF???

He's met up with a friend for drinks/a meal/chat? With no context, I don't see why it's a WTF moment.

jessycardy 07-02-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1143985)
JBJ and John Shanks, yesterday in West London.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/3043/t4eg.jpg

WTF???

What's the matter? You don't fancy blue spotted shirts?

Roll 07-02-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1143980)
If he was so burnt, why do a solo tour during the bands time off?
Maybe it was the timing as the band album was announced before Richie's solo tour was over, but if this was the case then he shouldn't have started the tour.

The deception is the most disappointing part of it all- to save face and not hurt ticket sales the fans have been left in the dark. The situation wouldn't have been as bad if he just announced he was burnt out and would be skipping the tour instead of the circus this has become.

The guy kept silent all this time but starts speaking again as the Tour is doing so great without him. I was one of those saying Bon Jovi couldn't keep going without Richie, how wrong the band proved me during this European Leg!

PatriciaSambora 07-02-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1143975)
Hi Keek, we're in Rome, we're going to meet papa Richie in the lobby, who's getting his glasses, then we're going to a tour in the Vatican and it's going to be really really pretty.

You want it in Spanish?

Hola Keek, estamos en Roma, vamos a encontrarnos con papá Richie en el vestíbulo, fue a buscar sus lentes, y luego vamos a hacer un tour en el Vaticano y va a ser muy muy lindo.

Nothing that anybody should care.

Oh thanks only needed in english but thanks anyway!

rolo_tomachi 07-02-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1143993)
He's met up with a friend for drinks/a meal/chat? With no context, I don't see why it's a WTF moment.

Planning new songs or new album without Richie?

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1143996)
The guy kept silent all this time but starts speaking again as the Tour is doing so great without him. I was one of those saying Bon Jovi couldn't keep going without Richie, how wrong the band proved me during this European Leg!

I think Richie's credibility for a long time has been a bit of a crutch for the a lot of fans and possibly the rest of the band- his absence has made them go out there and show they've still got it, and I for one have re-discovered an appreciation for those guys and their talent.

NicoRourke 07-02-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1143980)
If he was so burnt, why do a solo tour during the bands time off?

Maybe because otherwise he would never have the time to do his solo stuff?

jessycardy 07-02-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1144002)
Planning new songs or new album without Richie?

Richie said in that video he's working on some new songs on his own, I don't see you getting your panties in a twist over it.

While John Shanks is notoriously a friend of Jon's, and those pictures were taken outside an Italian restaurant in London.

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1144002)
Planning new songs or new album without Richie?

Even if there was the slightest bit of evidence for that...so what? Most albums have had some songs with little if any input from Richie.

The most likely scenario though, is that Shanks is working in London, Jon has a few days off in London- lets meet up for dinner!!! It shouldn't be worthy of comment!

BJ?YesPlease 07-02-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88 (Post 1143988)
Good lord you're dense about this. I'm going to out this as straightforward as possible:
IF RICHIE WAS SO BURNT OUT HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED THE ALBUM TOUR/CYCLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. PEOPLE AREN'T MAD THAT HE MAY BE BURNT OUT, THEY'RE MAD THAT HE SKIPPED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS COMMITMENTS. IT WAS COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL, AND IF THERE WAS TRULY SOME GIANT "STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELL'S BACK" RIGHT BEFORE CALGARY, HE SHOULD JUST COME OUT AND SAY "I'm burnt out, and at this time feel that I can't tour." UNTIL THEN, HE COMES OFF LIKE AN ASS WHO TOOK HIS BALL AND WENT HOME.

Oooh, more caps. This is getting tense.

No credit for him feeling burnt out, but trying not to let the fans down by going along anyway....maybe at JBJ's arm-twisting....then finding it all too much?
Hell, we don't even know that feeling burnt out is why he's not there. I doubt it.
But hey ho. It seems you know more than everyone else here about the facts behind why he left mid tour. Only then could you be so convinced he deserves such a negative reaction.
It seems Richie is unprofessional and a very naughty boy. Tut tut.

Jayster 07-02-2013 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jule225 (Post 1143942)
Not sure if this has been posted, but apparently, he was "burnt," and there is a TV show in the works. :)

http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/index.php/...wid/1_r4sg2xi9

It's definitely not just tour scheduling, as in the other interview you could tell he was thinking of a specific issue and stopped himself from revealing what it was before saying "it's a family matter, we're like a family".

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease (Post 1144018)
Oooh, more caps. This is getting tense.

No credit for him feeling burnt out, but trying not to let the fans down by going along anyway....maybe at JBJ's arm-twisting....then finding it all too much?
Hell, we don't even know that feeling burnt out is why he's not there. I doubt it.
But hey ho. It seems you know more than everyone else here about the facts behind why he left mid tour. Only then could you be so convinced he deserves such a negative reaction.
It seems Richie is unprofessional and a very naughty boy. Tut tut.

People would probably be sympathetic if that turns out to be true- he went along with it for the fans but really couldn't manage. Where the anger and negativity comes from is his piss-poor handling of the situation, especially where the fans are concerned. He's left people in the dark with no trace of an apology. You can't treat him with kid-gloves forever- whatever reasons, HE is the one that walked away, so HE should realise his responsibility to those he let down. He's been well enough to live a normal life, so he's well enough to come out and say sorry.

Bounce7800 07-02-2013 01:52 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Ghg5WH8.png

He found his glasses then!

Robd788 07-02-2013 02:04 PM

So the band are touring Europe and Richie is holidaying/vacationing in er er Europe........ hmmmmmmmmmmm kind of annoying :(

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1144021)
http://i.imgur.com/Ghg5WH8.png

He found his glasses then!

I hope they take something from this visit- I have Catholic friends who say visiting Vatican City was a huge thing for them. Perhaps a little spiritual guidance can help Richie deal with whatever issues he's having.

BJ?YesPlease 07-02-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1144020)
People would probably be sympathetic if that turns out to be true- he went along with it for the fans but really couldn't manage. Where the anger and negativity comes from is his piss-poor handling of the situation, especially where the fans are concerned. He's left people in the dark with no trace of an apology. You can't treat him with kid-gloves forever- whatever reasons, HE is the one that walked away, so HE should realise his responsibility to those he let down. He's been well enough to live a normal life, so he's well enough to come out and say sorry.

The key here is the word IF.
You've just admitted it's a possibility that none of this could be true.
So why assume it's anyone's fault.
The piss-poor handling (FACT!) could be nothing to do with Richie. Maybe it is. Maybe it is.
My only point all along is we shouldn't just blame anyone right now.

steel_horse75 07-02-2013 02:18 PM

From Classic Rock Mag

Quote:

Richie Sambora says his feud with Jon Bon Jovi will be resolved soon – and thinks he could be back in the band by September.

He dropped off the band’s world tour just hours before the current leg was supposed to kick off in April.

The pair have refused to detail what’s caused the disagreement, with Bon Jovi alluding to Sambora’s previous drug issues, and the guitarist insisting he has no personal issues.

Now Sambora tells The S** he definitely won’t be on stage when the band appear at Hyde Park on July 12. “I truly want to be there, and I feel very sad for the fans that I won’t be performing,” he reports.

“It’s just not happening right now. Jon and I have been tight for, like, 30 years. All this is very sad and it affects so many people around us.”

Sambora calls the situation “a family drama” and insists “it will be resolved.”

He adds: “I’ll be in Paris with my daughter while the band rock the UK. But let’s see what happened at the end of summer. September’s looking good. So, maybe September.”

Meanwhile, keyboardist David Bryan says Bon Jovi believe in remaining accessible to their fans and the media.

He explains: “If you don’t want to be accessible you just don’t do interviews or talk to anybody. It’s very easy to do that – but we don’t think it gets you anything.”

And he believes one of the reasons for the band’s longevity is that they don’t rest on their laurels. “We’re out here with a new record and a new tour. We’re playing a lot of the songs from the new record.

“We like to be current and keep going. That’s our big thing: we don’t want to just keep playing Livin’ On A Prayer. We want to go forward
How can you have a row and know it will end in September?

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease (Post 1144028)
The key here is the word IF.
You've just admitted it's a possibility that none of this could be true.
So why assume it's anyone's fault.
The piss-poor handling (FACT!) could be nothing to do with Richie. Maybe it is. Maybe it is.
My only point all along is we shouldn't just blame anyone right now.

I'd love to visit your world of eternal tolerance and understanding sometime. You're correct that we don't know all the facts, but there is enough there for us to reasonably have leanings one way or another. The fact remains that Richie has handled it poorly- no amount of excuses absolve him of that. The lack of statement, the ill-judged tweeting- thats all stuff within his power. Yes, the band (as in Bon Jovi the entity as opposed to its physical members) could have handled things better too, but there is no denying Richie's part in it all. Even if his reasons for leaving are the most noble in the world, he has to shoulder his share of blame for treating the fans the way they have been.

Sissy3 07-02-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1143995)
What's the matter? You don't fancy blue spotted shirts?

LOL The blue polka dot shirt is the star of that picture. ;) Guess all the black tees were in the laundry.

Jay Jay 07-02-2013 02:33 PM

I just hope that we get a good rocking album to come out of this turmoil sometime in the future.

RonJovi 07-02-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1144030)
From Classic Rock Mag



How can you have a row and know it will end in September?

Looks to me like Jon has his hand up David's ass and is practicing his ventriloquism skills.

jessycardy 07-02-2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1144030)
From Classic Rock Mag



How can you have a row and know it will end in September?

I don't know where they got the quote from David, but the rest just seems the usual revamped and inaccurate recap of old stuff.

So many mistakes... They mention the current leg kicked off in April (June 6th is more accurate, thank you), the Hyde Park gig will take place on July 12th (or could it be July 5th?), that Richie "truly wants to be there" (he said it's untrue), that Richie said it's a family drama (he said "family issues")... Hell, there are even a few grammar mistakes! LOL Whatever...

Solid Sambora 07-02-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1144030)
From Classic Rock Mag

How can you have a row and know it will end in September?

They've basically copied and pasted the first half complete with erroneous date- well done Classic Rock. But yeah, you don't have time limits on fights! He's either ready to resolve it or he isn't- if he is, do it now. Putting it on the back-burner like that would be another kick in the teeth.

The David part is awful too- he's just spouting the same old boring company rhetoric about relevancy. I hope away from the reporters he has a more interesting opinion.

BJ?YesPlease 07-02-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1144033)
I'd love to visit your world of eternal tolerance and understanding sometime. You're correct that we don't know all the facts, but there is enough there for us to reasonably have leanings one way or another. The fact remains that Richie has handled it poorly- no amount of excuses absolve him of that. The lack of statement, the ill-judged tweeting- thats all stuff within his power. Yes, the band (as in Bon Jovi the entity as opposed to its physical members) could have handled things better too, but there is no denying Richie's part in it all. Even if his reasons for leaving are the most noble in the world, he has to shoulder his share of blame for treating the fans the way they have been.

I think I should become a Buddhist. That would suit me, except the bald head thing.

However...you jump straight to an assumption that it's within Richie's power to make a statement. Perhaps it is. Or maybe there's a legal restriction on him commenting on the situation.
Most likely? Something barring any member from saying anything that may affect ticket sales until after the tour is over.

Now, back to my meditation....

Javier 07-02-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jule225 (Post 1143942)
Not sure if this has been posted, but apparently, he was "burnt," and there is a TV show in the works. :)

http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/index.php/...wid/1_r4sg2xi9

Is it wrong that the most interesting thing I found in that video was how hot Nikki actually looked in it??!! Holy shit, I would dip her in guacamole and nibble on all o' that like if it was a tostito!!! :)

Lindy 07-02-2013 02:47 PM

Question so what happens come Sept when Phil wants to be home with his wife. Is she not expecting their first child in Oct? He's not going to want too be on the road with a new baby.

afk 07-02-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindy (Post 1144046)
Question so what happens come Sept when Phil wants to be home with his wife. Is she not expecting their first child in Oct? He's not going to want too be on the road with a new baby.

Being a mom, that was my first thought too.

jessycardy 07-02-2013 02:52 PM

As I said, I wish he spent his time off doing other things. He's always had a problem with matching colors and stuff, seeing him that passionate about fashion just unsettles me. But hey, it's his life, not mine. I'm a nobody, so whatever. I want him to be back and I'm not judging him. I do believe he could have handled things better. It's all in the delivery, and the delivery so far has been very poor. I'm gonna wait till we know the truth, even though I'm afraid we never will, at least not all of it. I just wish that Nikki Lund woman wasn't SO up his ass and he could be a little less "Hollywood". But again, his life, not mine. Just come back to Bon Jovi, and not because of money/contracts, and we will all be happy.

PatriciaSambora 07-02-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robd788 (Post 1144024)
So the band are touring Europe and Richie is holidaying/vacationing in er er Europe........ hmmmmmmmmmmm kind of annoying :(

Another slap in the face for the fans..

Sissy3 07-02-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1144049)
As I said, I wish he spent his time off doing other things. He's always had a problem with matching colors and stuff, seeing him that passionate about fashion just unsettles me. But hey, it's his life, not mine. I'm a nobody, so whatever. I want him to be back and I'm not judging him. I do believe he could have handled things better. It's all in the delivery, and the delivery so far has been very poor. I'm gonna wait till we know the truth, even though I'm afraid we never will, at least not all of it. I just wish that Nikki Lund woman wasn't SO up his ass and he could be a little less "Hollywood". But again, his life, not mine. Just come back to Bon Jovi, and not because of money/contracts, and we will all be happy.

Isn't he color blind or did I just dream that information? Seems like I read years ago he couldn't distinguish between certain colors.


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