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Mongoose 12-18-2014 11:29 PM

I never understood why Americans think damn is a rude word O.o

Old Joysey 12-19-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1184020)
I'm not sticking up for Richie here, but I'm also not going to defend Jon here either. Jon does the same thing over and over again... "I wrote. My band. My song." Richie sounds like an egomaniac... just like Jon most of the time.

Exactly! The funniest part is that their major hits were co-written with hit-maker/spin doctor Desmond Child. Jon's and Richie's parts in the writing process were minimal and yet... And Max Martin? Jon has always said that he just happened to be in the studio when they were cutting IML that's why they had to put his name on the credit sheet!!! But it's OK, you have to have a big ego to make it in the music industry. Listen to Child explaining how difficult it is for bands to accept the intervention of an outside songwriter. And pay attention to his definition of Jon's personality (around 32/33), he says that Jon "has a mission, he's like a tank" or, as Richie put it: "the show must go on!"
http://youtu.be/1MNGFa-rto0
NB: the interview was done shortly after Richie had quit the tour.

More detailed story behing LOAP:
http://youtu.be/X-vO_58XRKs

ticos_stick 12-19-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mongoose (Post 1184023)
I never understood why Americans think damn is a rude word O.o

Bunch of fannies. (They won't get that insult)

Rdkopper 12-19-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1184032)
Exactly! The funniest part is that their major hits were co-written with hit-maker/spin doctor Desmond Child. Jon's and Richie's parts in the writing process were minimal and yet... And Max Martin? Jon has always said that he just happened to be in the studio when they were cutting IML that's why they had to put his name on the credit sheet!!!

Where do you come up with this garbage? You have no idea who wrote which parts? Jon and/or Richie penned a lot of songs themselves too without outside writers so I do believe they are capable. Although I have my doubts about song writer credits as a whole with all acts, there is no proof to any of the above. And the whole IML thing about Jon being in the studio is all bull too.

semigoodlookin 12-19-2014 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1184037)
Where do you come up with this garbage? You have no idea who wrote which parts? Jon and/or Richie penned a lot of songs themselves too without outside writers so I do believe they are capable. Although I have my doubts about song writer credits as a whole with all acts, there is no proof to any of the above. And the whole IML thing about Jon being in the studio is all bull too.

Yeah, I agree. Desmonds reputtion is for co-writing, not taking finished songs to artists. There are probably exceptions in his career though, but no one really knows with Bon Jovi because there are so many different quotes down the years from both sides that contradict each other.

As for the IML thing, we all know Bon Jovi's involvment is questionable, but I have never heard or seen Jon directly say he was in the studio when it was being cut and wanted in on it. Need a quote or link on that one Joysey.

Kathleen 12-19-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mongoose (Post 1184023)
I never understood why Americans think damn is a rude word O.o

Me neither - and I'm American. :p

jovifan93 12-19-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1184040)
Yeah, I agree. Desmonds reputtion is for co-writing, not taking finished songs to artists. There are probably exceptions in his career though, but no one really knows with Bon Jovi because there are so many different quotes down the years from both sides that contradict each other.

As for the IML thing, we all know Bon Jovi's involvment is questionable, but I have never heard or seen Jon directly say he was in the studio when it was being cut and wanted in on it. Need a quote or link on that one Joysey.

The story is not about Jon being in the studio, but Max Martin, if I recall correctly. Jon has said that Max happened to be in the studio when they were cutting It's My Life, and that's why Max got credited for it as well. Though the song screams Max Martin, if his Backstreet Boys and other songs are anything to go by ;-)

Old Joysey 12-19-2014 11:42 PM

Thank you, jovifan93, you understood me 5/5! :D
I didn' make this one up, it's all over the internet, a quick Google search returned at least 3 instances:
http://www.maxmartinfansite.com/bonjovi.htm

http://www.metalsludge.tv/?p=29511

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1584

Now, Rdkopper & semigoodlookin, you don't really expect me to listen to dozens of hours of interviews on YT and Dailymotion to find when Jon played down Martin's contribution, do you?!

And if you can't identify a songwriter's or a producer's touch in a song, I guess you need new ears!!!

Rdkopper 12-20-2014 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1184045)
Thank you, jovifan93, you understood me 5/5! :D
I didn' make this one up, it's all over the internet, a quick Google search returned at least 3 instances:
http://www.maxmartinfansite.com/bonjovi.htm

http://www.metalsludge.tv/?p=29511

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1584

Now, Rdkopper & semigoodlookin, you don't really expect me to listen to dozens of hours of interviews on YT and Dailymotion to find when Jon played down Martin's contribution, do you?!

And if you can't identify a songwriter's or a producer's touch in a song, I guess you need new ears!!!

You don't need to explain this or search the internet because it's been discussed to death on here multiple times.

You are kind of contradicting yourself on here anyway. You are saying that the only reason why Max got credit is because he was in the studio and then you say that it screams Backstreet Boys so he definitely wrote it.

Bottom line, no one knows anything as far as the writing balance goes so everything you wrote prior with this and Desmond is pure nonsense.

SuperBrad 12-20-2014 05:36 AM

Finally got a chance to sit down and listen to this and i really enjoyed how down to earth and honest he came across ..... I think his different improvisions of voodoo child over the last year have been fantastic . I dont get all the hating of him being drunk, drugged , sloppy ect at all .... I think he got a bit carried away with the whole double jersey album bits , but thats cool ... Regardless of the amount of input he had in the hey day , bon jovi would not have had the chemistry and happened without him ... Anyway , Bon Jovi still my fave and Richie still my hero guitargod;)


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