Also, people literally could not buy the album in the USA from certain outlets--I tried to preorder it from walmart.com and it was "unavailable" long before the release date. I checked amazon.com last night and the CD was out of stock there too. If it's not in stock, people who want the physical copy can't buy it.

Was out drinking last night with the FD of Universal and we were talking about album sales.
Seems I was wrong and streaming is not killing the business. They get about £20m a quarter in royalties etc.

It's killing album sales, not the entire business. What hurts the business is illegal downloading and ripping music.

Bon Jovi May Miss the Top Ten For the First Time in 30 Years

It doesn't matter whether they are calling it a "fan album" or a studio release, Bon Jovi's Burning Bridges is a full length album of never before issued studio recorded music and will be considered, for all intents and purposes, a full band release.

Using that context, the new album could also be the first studio album from the band to not make the top ten in the U.S. since 1985's 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit. According to the projections at Hits Daily Double, Burning Bridges is tracking towards a number 11 debut; however, things are very close with Bon Jovi at 25,943 copies (sales + streaming) and Future's DS2 just eleven copies higher at number 10.

In other projections, Dr. Dre looks pretty solid to stay at number 3 next week with Compton. It's sales + streaming of 49,466 is 9,000 short of number 2 and 12,000 ahead of number 4.

N.W.A. is also projected to stay in the top ten as Straight Outta Compton has a projected number of 26,710, putting it at number 9.

Final charts will be released by Billboard on Tuesday.

http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2015...for-first.html


I didn't know that streaming was taken into account, is it true?
Streaming and sales are 2 opposite things, how can streaming be counted as "copies"? How can streaming show the popularity of an album or a single when it takes only one geek to program multiple hits on a streaming site and when one person can stream the same song dozens of times? 1MM views doesn't mean 1MM viewers.
But now we know how we can make BB more successful in the charts! ;)

The album was out on a Friday. Albums usually come out on Wednesdays and billboard makes his numbers starting from that day. It is a little unfair for BB, since the position should be taken last Friday, which would be #7.

The day of release changed for just about everyone, this isn't a Bon Jovi specific release day.

I think it's safe to say that I don't understand the billboard charts anymore. It used to be a weekly thing, now when I visited the chart it has the week of Sept. 5 since last week.

So, excuses not used on this thread for low sales: people on holiday, people not used to new release day of Friday, bad weather.

The album had very little publicity. Casual fans like my mate, who buys most Jovi albums, weren't aware of it. Universal didn't release it as a large release, so didn't manufacture it in huge numbers, hence why there were places 'sold out'. This isn't meaning if the album was in greater supply that it would sell much more.

Lastly, the people who really really think streaming is a negative to the music business overall are in the same camp as those a hundred years ago who thought the record outselling sheet music was a negative effect.

Streaming isn't counted 1:1, over here at least. Can't remember the actual figures but it's at least a good few hundred streams to be the equivalent of 1 sale.

100 streams = 1 buy

# 1 album charts in Austria ! :multi:

Release Universal Music Austria in German language

BON JOVI mit "Burning Bridges" auf Platz 1 der österreichischen Albumcharts

Nachdem*Bon Jovi*mit der Single "Saturday Night Gave Me Sunday Morning" einen ersten Vorgeschmack auf das neue Werk abliefert haben, gab es seit Freitag, dem 21.08.15, endlich das komplette Album zu kaufen. Und das Publikum zeigt sich begeistert: Mit ihrem neuen Album „Burning Bridges“, das*Bon Jovi*ihren Fans widmen, meldet sich*die Band aus New Jerseyeindrucksvoll in den Charts zurück: Das Album steigt in dieser Woche*direkt von 0 auf Platz 1*in dieösterreichischen Albumcharts*ein!

Billboard 200 ------ Burning Bridges # 13
http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200

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So far:

Album charts
#1: Germany.
#2: Netherlands.
#3: United Kingdom.
#3: Australia.
#4: Canada.
#6: Portugal.
#9: Finland.
#11: Belgium (Flanders).
#13: USA (Billboard 200 - Position #3 Top Rock Albums).
#13: Ireland.
#17: Belgium (Wallonia).
#18: Italy.
#19: New Zealand.
#25: Sweden.

I have a question. I didn't know where to put it so I stuck it here...

Why do they block or should I say alter every audio track that relates to the BB on YouTube even though they put out official videos on every song?

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The ones other people posted? Probably legal reasons. Can other people monetize the videos if they upload the songs?

First of all, they want ads revenues, which only the ones that upload the video gets. Second but not least important, views matter a lot nowadays, they want the official videos to have more views and not a random one uploaded by some anonymous user.

I don't see the need in uploading videos with 1.5x speed when you have the all the record on the official account, it's just pointless.

That's for singles, though. You need 1500 streams to make one album buy.

#1 Austria
#2 Switzerland
#4 Czech Republic
#21 Hungary
#39 Croatia
#73 France (LOL)

So the feeling is mutual between Jon and France.

Thanks! It's so easy to cheat with this method that charts don't make sense anymore.


Meaning? Jon's always said he loved France ("my family and I often go on vacation over there, my mansion is in the French style, I love French wines," etc.) but France doesn't love him. *boo hoo!*
I'm surprised it made the Top 100!

#1 in Israel and Spain

I now go for the streaming option rather than the hard purchase option.
Apple Music at £9.99/14.99 per month allows me to get new albums from an array of artists and to rediscover music I haven't listened to in a LONG time.

If I hadn't gone onto NewsNow I wouldn't have known about this album coming out (I haven't been on here in over a year).
Very few people outside the "hardcore" will have known about it enough to warrant buying it.
I wasn't even going to go anywhere near this album after the disaster that was What About Now. I could have downloaded it illegally, but got it through Apple Music, and I'm glad I did.

The music industry and the charts isn't what it used to be.
14,000 sales in the UK for an un-promoted album by a band better known for their 80s rock music isn't bad really.

Number 11 midweek in UK album charts.

Thought it'd be much worse.

So, putting all together (again):

Album
#1: Austria.
#1: Germany.
#1: Israel.
#1: Spain.
#2: Netherlands.
#2: Switzerland.
#3: Australia.
#3: Japan (went down to #11 on Week 2).
#3: United Kingdom.
#4: Canada.
#4: Czech Republic.
#6: Portugal.
#9: Finland.
#11: Belgium (Flanders).
#13: Ireland.
#13: USA (Billboard 200 - Position #3 Top Rock Albums).
#17: Belgium (Wallonia).
#18: Italy.
#19: New Zealand.
#21: Hungary.
#25: Sweden.
#39: Croatia.
#73: France.

Saturday Night Gave Me Sunday Morning
#54: Austria.
#49: Portugal.
#98: Germany.

We Don’t Run
Single failed to chart.

no. 13 on Billboard? Ouch... even with no promotion, that's pathetic compared to most markets.

Last time, their homeland turned on them, Bon Jovi did their best work. One can dream, right? :D

I do think it has just gone unnoticed, though. Bon Jovi beat Bowies 'comeback album' to number 1 in 2013. Album in 2016 will be back up!

Number 6 in Portugal. Wow, that actually amazes me.


http://blitz.sapo.pt/bon-jovi-estrei...o-album=f97582

Being #13 in America is not that bad, is it ? Especially for an album with 0 promotion !

No, it's really not, especially for an album that had so little promotion and (it would seem) wasn't even manufactured in large numbers since it was sold out on amazon.com and walmart.com long before the charts would have even been tabulated. If I remember correctly KTF didn't debut very high in Top 10 itself and it had huge promotion, so this isn't that bad by comparison

It's not like the album had more promotion overseas.

Also, you people are funny. "0 promotion"? All major sites and papers reviewed the thing. You think that just happens whenever somebody releases an album?

KTF debuted and peaked at #5.

Number 1 in Spain :D

http://www.elportaldemusica.es/albumes.php?lang=en

Billboard now shows BB as #8 in Album Sales:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/top-album-sales


#9 in Digital Albums:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/digital-albums

It is bad.

It had equally 0 promotion everywhere, not just US, so this argument is invalid. That's why I said "compared to other markets". Obviously, the 2016 album is going to do much better, but it still speaks volumes about the strength of Bon Jovi fanbase in their home country and I think Jon should be a bit worried going forward even if this particular album's success is of no importance.

It might just be like These Days. Jon might not play anything off BB in US in the 2016 tour and play it somewhere else, say in Europe and Asia.

#3 in the World Album Chart (105,000 copies sold)

WAN also was only #1 for a week or two if memory serves. Amazon had this big push when it released you could order the hard copy for $5 and if you have Amazon Prime - free shipping. Went back up after Chart position was #1. Had bragging rights and it was in enough hands to stir interest to the tour.

Curiosity, where are posters finding the sales figures? I can find chart position but, I though you had to "buy" membership to see sales and I'm much too cheap....

2nd week in the UK down to #15

Up from #18 to #3 in Italy

It's their highest charting position since Crush here

I'll try to update this with the data you provide and I find. Will post it on the BB thread too:

http://i.imgur.com/p8rTYEY.png


Nice. That proves that a lot of people didn't knew about this album.

It was #8 in the Billboard top 200 after being 13 and now it's back. Wonder why the sudden shift.....

Edit.