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bonjovi821 07-29-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi78 (Post 1148508)
Ahhh so it was a throw away on Aftermath?

I would hope so. Aftermath was a great album but this song is a real shitter, it would totally ruin some of the album for me.

Kiwi78 07-29-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi821 (Post 1148510)
I would hope so. Aftermath was a great album but this song is a real shitter, it would totally ruin some of the album for me.

I think someone's posted a link somewhere that confirms it was, given an intv a while back and Richie mentions the song and yeah, I can see why it didn't make the album. And I genuinely like Aftermath too.

Captain_jovi 07-29-2013 08:05 AM

Not to play devil's advocate here he says he wrote a song with that title in 2010. It's entirely possible the lyrics were changed since then ala This Ain't Love/This is Love.

It's catchy but far too processed for my liking, which is the exact problem I have with WAN.

DestinationJovi 07-29-2013 08:29 AM

This song was obviously written to a woman. An ex.

PanosBonJovi 07-29-2013 08:37 AM

Probably the reference to Dean, Elvis, Sinatra might caused this misunderstand?

Mysterytrain 07-29-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1148516)
Probably the reference to Dean, Elvis, Sinatra might caused this misunderstand?

I don't see how we can assume it's written about a women with lyrics about Frankie and Dean, knowing what we know about Jon describing himself and Richie as "Frankie and Dean" in the past. To me, that's a very "Jon-and-Richie" reference.

Also, the whole lyrical vibe of this song seems to be: "I went through pain in my life, I tried to be everything you wanted me to be, but now I'm living my life on my own terms, so that when I die, people won't define me as anyone other than myself."

Even if Richie is still a member of Bon Jovi, and even if he wrote these lyrics 2 or 3 years ago, maybe he's had these feelings for a long time. Maybe he's restless being "second fiddle" in Bon Jovi, and "Aftermath" was his opportunity to be an artist on his own terms and at the time he wrote it, that song reflected that feeling.

It's probably taken on more of an urgent meaning given what is going on right now; Richie himself alluded to that in his Tweet. I don't think he was referring to a romantic relationship in his Tweet when he said the lyrics were "very timely."

That said, I'm glad he left this off of "Aftermath." I think it would fit in better with Nikki's techno fashion music.

CKatz 07-29-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1148518)
I don't see how we can assume it's written about a women with lyrics about Frankie and Dean, knowing what we know about Jon describing himself and Richie as "Frankie and Dean" in the past. To me, that's a very "Jon-and-Richie" reference.

Also, the whole lyrical vibe of this song seems to be: "I went through pain in my life, I tried to be everything you wanted me to be, but now I'm living my life on my own terms, so that when I die, people won't define me as anyone other than myself."

Even if Richie is still a member of Bon Jovi, and even if he wrote these lyrics 2 or 3 years ago, maybe he's had these feelings for a long time. Maybe he's restless being "second fiddle" in Bon Jovi, and "Aftermath" was his opportunity to be an artist on his own terms and at the time he wrote it, that song reflected that feeling.

It's probably taken on more of an urgent meaning given what is going on right now; Richie himself alluded to that in his Tweet. I don't think he was referring to a romantic relationship in his Tweet when he said the lyrics were "very timely."

That said, I'm glad he left this off of "Aftermath." I think it would fit in better with Nikki's techno fashion music.

Well he wrote this song in the same year he wrote those dance-pop songs with Nikki. It's likely that style had some influence on this song.

I'm loving all the interpretations. I do see how it could have been written for a woman. The part that starts with "I gave you everything etc. could be interpreted that way. I think he's just listing all the things that have gone bad in his recent life. He might be referring to his failed marriage there.
I do like the lyrics.

nikos greece 07-29-2013 09:20 AM

the song is meehh but i thought it would be worse reading all these negative comments...
richie needs to get this out of his system(whatever this is...), and i think he should release another album, not because i have an illusions it would be really good just work his problems away, all the fashion shit etc i dont think really help him.
at this point its obvious they all have lied one way or another...i d really like to know the reason behind all these but i guess we ll never know exactly what happened.
i admire jon for always keep going forward and richie for saying nothing in public even when jon disrespected him, i hope it all works out even if it looks bad at this point...

fairtex444 07-29-2013 09:52 AM

at least it has some guitars in it.....nothing too special, but cool tune, perfect for movie soundtrack or tv show intro....

daisyc 07-29-2013 10:38 AM

They have removed all the negative comments from his video and blocked everyone who left one!

Supersonic 07-29-2013 10:46 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by daisyc (Post 1148526)
They have removed all the negative comments from his video and blocked everyone who left one!

Which means he got plenty of abuse on Twitter as well. His mind's so far out of it, does he honestly think Bon Jovi fans will appreciate this after he dropped out of a tour?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

CKatz 07-29-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1148527)
Aloha !



Which means he got plenty of abuse on Twitter as well. His mind's so far out of it, does he honestly think Bon Jovi fans will appreciate this after he dropped out of a tour?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

He gets some criticism every once in a while, but the tweets he receives are overwhelmingly positive. The majority of his audience doesn't really care about Bon Jovi.

MrNickel 07-29-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1148528)
He gets some criticism every once in a while, but the tweets he receives are overwhelmingly positive. The majority of his audience doesn't really care about Bon Jovi.

But most of them are crazy housewives who want him to be their Sugar Daddy.

CKatz 07-29-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MrNickel (Post 1148530)
But most of them are crazy housewives who want him to be their Sugar Daddy.

The same could be said for Jon's fans. That doesn't mean anything.

Roll 07-29-2013 11:47 AM

It's sad to see what a poor **** Richie's become. Loads of shitty songs I could have written myself, tasteless line of clothing, the guy needs to be stopped while it's time. I mean the last crap the other bitch released on Twitter is so ****ing terrible. How can anyone complain about WAN when they've heard to what the true heart and soul of Bon Jovi has to offer?
Please somebody put an end to Richie's misery and fire Sambora once and for all.

Roll 07-29-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1148528)
He gets some criticism every once in a while, but the tweets he receives are overwhelmingly positive. The majority of his audience doesn't really care about Bon Jovi.

Is that some kind of joke?

steel_horse75 07-29-2013 12:31 PM

900 pages. Nothings happened as we are still none the wiser.

PatriciaSambora 07-29-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1148465)
You are correct it was Nikki who tweeted the song, there is something going on here with her.

Also now Sean Borg has tweeted about it:

Sean Borg ‏@SeanBorgLA 43m
Listen up! Check out this brand new yet to be released song by @therealsambora "Come Back As Me" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lmYX...ature=youtu.be … … ~ It rocks!

Are they Richie's new circle of friends, Nikki and Sean?

Omg it scares me so much.. Richie need to stay away from those 2 people..

PatriciaSambora 07-29-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1148467)


It's basically like Nikki not only wants to be his fashion partner, but wants to speak for him with respect to his music.

Oh gosh.. I want to tweet her and say if you want to be Richie's fashion partner ok but get out of his music and Bon Jovi music!!!!

Lord of the Jovi Realm 07-29-2013 12:59 PM

Rewind and press play and ill try not to scream

Sounds like he is pretty unhappy with current state of touring and recording with Bon Jovi.

PatriciaSambora 07-29-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1148486)
Yeah, if it's that "torneye" account, didn't they also make the Nikki/Richie "Do You Like My Ass in These Pants?" video private, because it got so many negative comments from fans?

I think they kept the other song, the ballad, "How to Love" public, but made it so you couldn't comment on it.

Nikki, her brother and Sean probably are very freaky, they delete and block all the bad comments in their opinion, they are such a close friends with Richie cause is Richie Sambora from Bon Jovi.. But Richie who is a great talented musician since 30 years ago.. Doesn't he seems like he's in the wrong place with the wrong people and acting like a fool right now? :s

The Rock 07-29-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1148507)
It's interesting how songs can gain new meaning. But when it was originally written in 2010 it wasn't intended that way.
I think the lyrics of the song are quite good. Musically it takes some getting used to, mainly because of the drum machines. He's isnt afraid to take risks that's for sure, but he knew it wasn't good enough to make it on Aftermath.

The way it was released on twitter, there was no indication that it was written in 2010. Nikki tweeted it as new music (which in fact it is) and even Richie and Sean Borg were writing new music. It's purpose was to cause a stir and that's what it did.

This part is not aimed at you but I saw you write it and many comments on twitter. If this was on the Bon Jovi CD, it would have been dreadful, awful, rubbish. I love how it's Richie's song and it's shows his not afraid to take risks, it's from his heart, it's his soul (comments I saw on twitter!)

Roll 07-29-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1148540)
This part is not aimed at you but I saw you write it and many comments on twitter. If this was on the Bon Jovi CD, it would have been dreadful, awful, rubbish. I love how it's Richie's song and it's shows his not afraid to take risks, it's from his heart, it's his soul (comments I saw on twitter!)

What a bunch of hypocrites! :D

PanosBonJovi 07-29-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1148518)
I don't see how we can assume it's written about a women with lyrics about Frankie and Dean, knowing what we know about Jon describing himself and Richie as "Frankie and Dean" in the past. To me, that's a very "Jon-and-Richie" reference.

Also, the whole lyrical vibe of this song seems to be: "I went through pain in my life, I tried to be everything you wanted me to be, but now I'm living my life on my own terms, so that when I die, people won't define me as anyone other than myself."

Even if Richie is still a member of Bon Jovi, and even if he wrote these lyrics 2 or 3 years ago, maybe he's had these feelings for a long time. Maybe he's restless being "second fiddle" in Bon Jovi, and "Aftermath" was his opportunity to be an artist on his own terms and at the time he wrote it, that song reflected that feeling.

It's probably taken on more of an urgent meaning given what is going on right now; Richie himself alluded to that in his Tweet. I don't think he was referring to a romantic relationship in his Tweet when he said the lyrics were "very timely."

That said, I'm glad he left this off of "Aftermath." I think it would fit in better with Nikki's techno fashion music.

Yes, I agree that it was good that he didn't include it on Aftermath, and I guess he knows it too. I'd say that this song is close to what u said but I guess it has also to do with his rehab, he was devestated, he was addicted to alcohol, he went into rehab and he did it, he's clean now. So if I did that, then u can do it too. I think its something like that. Anyway I liked the song, I enjoy it, maybe it wouldn't fit in Aftermath, and that's true but I like it as it is now, out of it.

jovigirlCT 07-29-2013 02:00 PM

All the Richie fans are so excited on twitter. They are taking this song to be Richie's resignation letter to Jon and that he will now be doing only solo work. They are tweeting that they are actually blocking anyone that makes a negative comment because they just want to bask in the glow of Richie leaving BonJovi. Amazing how much people can read into things. We won't know anything for sure until someone actually makes a statement and as we all know that won't be happening. Do agree that Nikki probably has way too much influence over Richie and is the majority of the problem. Think his mental state was fragile and she definitely swooped in and really took over. Could she be BonJovi's Yoko Ono!! I have only listened to the song after reading about it on here but I personally think the song sucks - if this is what Richie is going to put out as a solo act - he needs to rethink that.

PanosBonJovi 07-29-2013 02:03 PM

I like Nikki, she's a hot chick (let's face it) but as most of you already said, she has to stay away from Bon Jovi & Richie Sambora as musician. Her place is at fashion, she's partner in fashion bussiness so she has nothing to do with music. I think that Sean Borg is a 'threat' for Richie and I don't like that guy at all to be honest. Who the hell is him after all? I knew that he writes in TMZ from time to time but who is he? He's a newcomer looking for some publicity?

PanosBonJovi 07-29-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jovigirlCT (Post 1148544)
All the Richie fans are so excited on twitter. They are taking this song to be Richie's resignation letter to Jon and that he will now be doing only solo work. They are tweeting that they are actually blocking anyone that makes a negative comment because they just want to bask in the glow of Richie leaving BonJovi. Amazing how much people can read into things. We won't know anything for sure until someone actually makes a statement and as we all know that won't be happening. Do agree that Nikki probably has way too much influence over Richie and is the majority of the problem. Think his mental state was fragile and she definitely swooped in and really took over. Could she be BonJovi's Yoko Ono!! I have only listened to the song after reading about it on here but I personally think the song sucks - if this is what Richie is going to put out as a solo act - he needs to rethink that.

True, are they blocking negative comments for real? This is over retarded. And yes, as it comes to music she MUST stay away from it. She's a threat along with that Borg guy.

Bounce7800 07-29-2013 02:08 PM

I have to step away from the Jovi stuff on Twitter, its making me seriously angry. Richie fangirls kissing his arse at every opportunity, Jon fangirls kissing his arse, both sides being anti the other, and all down to who they would rather **** in their dreams. It's bloody sad how 90% of these fans seem to not give a damn about the band or the music and no-one can view anything objectively. Its worse than dealing with a bunch of Belibers or One Direction fans, just totally myopic.

Richie tweeting all this crap about his old solo stuff, and then releasing this utter turd via Nikki is insulting. Bon Jovi is what got him where he was, for him to ignore that is equally insulting. Without them, no-one outside a small audience in Europe gives a shit about him or his music and fashion. Even less will care about his music after he has sacked off the band without explanation to produce crap that sounds like a 50 year old man pretending to be 20.

It's a shame that the fans are the ones to lose out in Richie's mid-life crisis, and even more of a shame that both sides couldn't act like adults and see out the tour for the paying public who put them where they are. Greedy, arguing old men is not a pretty sight.

NicoRourke 07-29-2013 02:12 PM

I think this new song is Richie's strategy to get this thread over 1k pages.

Whether bad or good, he knew this would re-launch discussions in a massive way.

On topic, I pretty much agree with everyone's opinion on Nikki having a bad influence on Mr Sambo. And I really really hope that the band (and only the 5 guys) gets to meet calmly somewhere far from public eyes, and sort this thing out once for all.

I don't mind testing new songs, in fact it could even be good - but this particular one... meh.

newikov 07-29-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1148545)
she's a hot chick (let's face it)

No, she isn't ..

Roll 07-29-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1148545)
I like Nikki, she's a hot chick (let's face it) but as most of you already said, she has to stay away from Bon Jovi & Richie Sambora as musician. Her place is at fashion, she's partner in fashion bussiness so she has nothing to do with music. I think that Sean Borg is a 'threat' for Richie and I don't like that guy at all to be honest. Who the hell is him after all? I knew that he writes in TMZ from time to time but who is he? He's a newcomer looking for some publicity?

I'm amazed at what a sissy Richie is. Instead of writing shitty songs from his soul (lol), he should say to Jon "go **** yourself, I'm out!". End of the story and the guy will be much more respected than by behaving like a vexed 8 year old kid.
I've always thought Richie to be quite smart in his relationship to Jon. You know, there's no shame to acknowledge when somenone's better than you. As s frontman, Jon is miles ahead of Richie, that's a fact. He had the vision for the band, he's more charismatic and, in my opinion and judging by their respective solo productions, he's a better songwriter.
But Bon Jovi's success has largely been built on their collaboration. Anyway, at that point in their career, by quitting Richie has more to lose than Jon. I saw Bon Jovi live last June and had a blast. I bought AOTL and think it's a massive turd. The new song is even worse. Without BJ, Richie should get ready to fall into oblivion veeeeery quickly.

steel_horse75 07-29-2013 02:19 PM

Richie wont quit Jovi as he is nothing without the rest of the band.
His solo album sales and cancelled shows proved that.

jessycardy 07-29-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NicoRourke (Post 1148548)
On topic, I pretty much agree with everyone's opinion on Nikki having a bad influence on Mr Sambo. And I really really hope that the band (and only the 5 guys) gets to meet calmly somewhere far from public eyes, and sort this thing out once for all.

Whatever forces are above, below and in between, PLEASE, make this happen already, for ****'s sake.

Sissy3 07-29-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1148512)
Not to play devil's advocate here he says he wrote a song with that title in 2010. It's entirely possible the lyrics were changed since then ala This Ain't Love/This is Love.

It's catchy but far too processed for my liking, which is the exact problem I have with WAN.

This. That's exactly what I thought when I read the post that it wasn't a new song. He could easily add/subtract a line or change words to fit the current situation.

jessycardy 07-29-2013 02:24 PM

By the way, a few hours ago, Richie tweeted:

"Hey guys I wanna thank you all for posting those tracks. I forgot how much soul was Inside them. When u find more keep em comin..."


( https://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/s...50355547136000 )

DevilsSon 07-29-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1148552)
Richie wont quit Jovi as he is nothing without the rest of the band.
His solo album sales and cancelled shows proved that.

That was a bit too ambitious from his side though. Ticket sales in Europe were really good. If he leaves the band, he can certainly have a different approach to marketing himself.

I.e.: Play some festivals, go on tour with other guitar players, join some super group. So many options, he just has to grab them. And I think he realised now that he can't expect the success he had with Bon Jovi to have on his own.

PanosBonJovi 07-29-2013 02:31 PM

None knows what's going at the backstage of this whole matter. Indeed this is a childish behavior. I respect both Jon & Richie as their music and I thank them for their music but this whole joke has to stop. The only people who are capable to bring Richie back into music & remind him who is he is not his die-hards, its the 'healthy' Bon Jovi fans who love Bon Jovi as a band for what they are and even more, it's Tico, David, Jon & Hugh. Only these 4 people can bring him back to the reality. He likes fashion okay, i respect that too but his partner has nothing to do with music.

NicoRourke 07-29-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1148547)
It's a shame that the fans are the ones to lose out in Richie's mid-life crisis, and even more of a shame that both sides couldn't act like adults and see out the tour for the paying public who put them where they are. Greedy, arguing old men is not a pretty sight.

I pretty much agree with all you wrote - but I really wonder what drove Richie off the tour. If it's some kind of mid-life crisis then he's to blame for not staying up until the end then leave for a break of whatever he needs.

If it's Jon that did or said something that pushed him, I also believe he should have finished the tour BUT then have a serious talk.

But in any cases, if Jon did something wrong to Richie, he's to take the blame as well. For too long this is turning into the JBJ show. The Saratoga episode is IMO a scandal for the fans. Had I paid to be there I would have been mad.

BJ?YesPlease 07-29-2013 02:36 PM

SO many assumptions. Everyone's looking to shift blame all over the shop.

We DON'T know that Nikki has ANY influence over Richie's decisions.

We DON'T know why Jon and Richie aren't together.

All this crap about "he's let the fans down" with this song and "he doesn't have a solo career" is utter nonsense. If you feel he let you down on the tour, I can see that, but let the guy make whatever music he wants to make. If it's good, we'll like it, buy it and everyone's happy. If it's not, he'll do something else and try again. Christ, it's music. It's creative. It's expression. As a musician, there's nothing worse than churning out the same-sounding shit year after year, let alone decades. Can you imagine how it must feel to keep hearing "Stranger was the best thing you've done...make another Stranger".

I'd rather have a crap RS record, or a crap JBJ record, or BJ record, than 90% of the other shit that's out there.

Roll 07-29-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1148555)
By the way, a few hours ago, Richie tweeted:

"Hey guys I wanna thank you all for posting those tracks. I forgot how much soul was Inside them. When u find more keep em comin..."


( https://twitter.com/TheRealSambora/s...50355547136000 )

What the **** with the "soul" shit!? Does he feel this guarantees good stuff? He should keep quiet now.


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