Originally Posted by jovi76 (Post 1148988)

Not my first post - first post under this name as I cannot access my old account. Been a huge follower and fan of the band for almost 30 years. I am also a fan of Jon and Richie both as solo artists - but yes this new song from Richie simply sucks for me. It has nothing to do with who recorded it but for me its rubbish. Its also rubbish we are meant to believe it was leaked.

I think any artist has the right to put out any music they like. Its up to the fans if they buy it or not. Latest BJ album is not a fave of mine nor is Richies latest 'leaked' song. That doesn't mean there is not people out there who genuinely like these songs. An artist releasing something you don't like is not a personal attack on its fans.

At times the setlists may seem uninspired but they do change them up and over the years at certain times songs come in and out. Unlike many bands who play the same setlist night after night.

Wow you are angry though. You certainly read a lot into what I posted, some of the people here need to just relax. I can't believe the immaturity that goes on here with this stupid pro Jon/ anti Richie bullshit. Not sure why everyone has to suddenly be on a side :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1148986)

First post... immediately beating the piss out of Richie and being totally pro-Jon... hmm you really could be any one of the several Jontologists on here.

I purposefully didn't say 'Jon doesn't listen to fans' it's the entire band I was referring to; Richie included. His comments last year on the EPK for Aftermath about how they approach writing for Bon Jovi was so dismissive, it reminded me of how Bono used to think he could fart into a mic and fans would buy it.

It's an old debate, been done to death but honestly, really, after that album and this tour, the setlists, anyone who doesn't think this band has lost touch just a tad is either easily pleased by anything with 'Bon Jovi' on the cover or just blinkered. No pleasure in saying that this has been a f*cking disastrous year for this band. Jon AND Richie need to pull their heads from their arses...

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1148989)

Read my original post. Where exactly am I on anyone's side? You seemed to agree with everything I said and yet began your post with 'You're dreaming... ' etc, getting rowdy over ONE sentence I wrote. It does make me chuckle how those who pick out the odd sentence, totally misinterpret it and then throw their toys out of the pram have taken this board by storm! I’m amazed how things get taken out of proportion and how catty this thread has gotten. Just chill out mate…

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1148990)

Beating the piss out of Richie? Pro-Jon? Have you actually read her post or are you just making shit up in your head?

Originally Posted by jovi76 (Post 1148991)

Rowdy :eek::rolleyes:;)

Its an expression, I wasn't having a go at you. Its a message board people reply back and forth.

Read below and take your own advice.

It does make me chuckle how those who pick out the odd sentence, totally misinterpret it and then throw their toys out of the pram have taken this board by storm! I’m amazed how things get taken out of proportion and how catty this thread has gotten. Just chill out mate

Originally Posted by united17 (Post 1148994)

Maybe we should proactively move all the Richie related content and threads into the 'Other Bands' forum. That'll show him.

I also think we should throw Richie back into the 'Past Members' column of the Bon Jovi Wikipedia page. Yeah. See how he likes that.

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1148993)

It might be a message board but there seems to be no platform for discussion on here anymore. So many people, spending valuable time picking at each other, verbally kicking the crap out of each other and hurling abuse around about who knows more, who knows f*ck all and how someone should be flogged for suggesting Jon comes across as arrogant but how it’s fine to say Nikki is a whore.

I came back to share something I’d heard, put forward one opinion and end up in a cat fight at a Girl’s junior school. Still, at least I moved this thread on a page. I'll leave you to it, ladies.

Originally Posted by united17 (Post 1148994)

Maybe we should proactively move all the Richie related content and threads into the 'Other Bands' forum. That'll show him.

I also think we should throw Richie back into the 'Past Members' column of the Bon Jovi Wikipedia page. Yeah. See how he likes that.

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1148999)

As if he would care...:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1148992)

What a lovely place. Great post. You really added to the conversation. I missed you.

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1149002)

Just trying to help you realise you're having a go at someone for something that didn't happen. Accusing someone of pro-Jon bias, who hasn't even uttered his name? She wasn't particularly defamatory towards Richie either.

You're complaining that there's no room for discussion on here anymore and that its just folk being nasty to each other, yet there's you trying to dismiss someone based on how many comments they've made, labelling them something that doesn't actually fit what's been said.

Have you "come back"? I wouldn't know, you haven't mentioned it repeatedly in your last few posts. Does it bother you that you haven't "come back" to a heroes welcome? "Here comes Beaky with valuable, undeniable information, yadda yadda yadda..." You're pissed off that no one has given a shit that you're posting again, so decided to start something with the newbie to make yourself feel big and clever. No one has missed your posts, not cares that you're back, and if you really don't like the way the board is going, how about trying to change it- and have a decent discussion instead of your unjustified arguments.

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1149004)

I’m not surprised that you don’t see anything wrong with the replies. Honestly, just read her reply. Her points didn't even dispute most of what I said. As for 'bashing a newbie,' wake up; it was clear this wasn't a newbie, which was my point.

Wouldn’t something along the lines of ‘I agree that Richie’s new tune is awful, let’s hope he pays attention to the feedback he’s getting. I disagree with you in reference to Bon Jovi as a band not being in touch with their fan base; I think maybe that fanbase has changed a lot over the years and because of this, they are aimed at a different audience now than they were ten years ago.’

As for me wanting a fan fare, you clearly have no idea what I am like if you think that sort of thing rings my bell.

I came back here because it’s a community I was connected to for a long time, I heard something, I shared it; no big deal. I also told all of my friends who are Jovi fans. I think your interpretation is more telling of your own motivations; not everyone needs to feel like Charlie Large, my old chum.

Originally Posted by jovi76 (Post 1149005)

Seriously, you want to dictate how everyone should reply to you. That is not what I was saying regarding Bon Jovi and their fans.

Anyway weren't you running along ...:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1149010)

Knowing Richie's been AWOL and may continue to be, knowing Phil's got a baby coming due, and knowing how anal he can be about things, wouldn't you think Jon would already have a plan in case both Richie and Phil are unavailable? I don't think Mr Control would leave it to chance. Unless he too expects Richie to be back in September. :D

Originally Posted by Ollie (Post 1149013)

I kno Phil will obviously want to be with his wife during the birth etc... But don't you think him having a child will be even more inventive for him wanting to earn as much cash as possible during what could possibly be his one last run of gigs to earn mega bucks????

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1149015)

I do. In fact, I don't think he would ever say no to Bon Jovi (health and stuff apart). I also think it's either him or Richie, I don't see much room for any other solution.

Originally Posted by gnr5 (Post 1149014)

If its not Richie or Phil it will be someone else. There are millions of session players that can learn the songs in no time. This tour won't be canceled.

Originally Posted by Solid Sambora (Post 1149002)

No one has missed your posts, not cares that you're back, and if you really don't like the way the board is going, how about trying to change it- and have a decent discussion instead of your unjustified arguments.

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1149016)

Hopefully it shows Jon is keen to make some progress with RS. I wouldn't even mind it if Jon came out and said, 'I am trying to talk to Richie but he doesn't want to know,' at least people would know the ball is certainly in RS's court.

Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease (Post 1149022)

Woah, woah, woah (we're halfway there?!) ... I might be reading it wrong, and if so, I apoligise - but this smacks significantly of being "Richie's all to blame and Jon is doing everything he can to get RS on the tour" - when in fact, there's nothing to suggest Jon is attempting to get RS back, and we've heard RS come out and say he wants to come back, and all the rumours at least point towards Richie wanting dialogue and putting the ball in Jon's court....

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1149023)

Who knows… I think Richie’s pissed about Jon changing stage positions, he wants to focus on his own stuff and doesn’t feel like a partner in the process anymore but that’s just my opinion. Has Jon done anything other than just being how he’s always been in the last 15 years? Probably not. Is Richie just being a bit of an airhead, arty-farty, cry-baby? Probably. But who knows.

Richie’s being cold… Jon’s Just Colder… BOOM.

Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease (Post 1149022)

Woah, woah, woah (we're halfway there?!) ... I might be reading it wrong, and if so, I apoligise - but this smacks significantly of being "Richie's all to blame and Jon is doing everything he can to get RS on the tour" - when in fact, there's nothing to suggest Jon is attempting to get RS back, and we've heard RS come out and say he wants to come back, and all the rumours at least point towards Richie wanting dialogue and putting the ball in Jon's court....

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1149029)

Jon's been saying all along that Richie can come back whenever he wants. Richie said he wants to come back, July was too soon and maybe September could be a good time (which to me sounds as in it depends on him and when he sees it as a good time).

This is what we heard (by the means of ears) from the people involved. As much as we now know a lot of the written gutter press was most likely actually press releases from the very people surrounding Richie, I'd still rather stick to what I've directly heard from the horses' mouth.

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1148982)

I think the point was, that Sean seemingly being on Richie's payroll, RS won't skip over his tweets like he would do yours or mine; in fact, if a song has been 'leaked' and pumped out over social media, if he's smart then Richie is paying very close attention to his Twitter feed right now, especially interactions between Sean and fans. So to reply to disillusioned fans and copy Richie in, as Sean did, IS either brave or stupid.

Whereas RS is just plain ol' stupid. Why on earth does he think anyone wants to hear anything from him right now - especially this drivel - other than 'I'll be back on the road with the band in September.' If this is him testing the water, then the news is, it's tepid and full of floaters, so flush it, Richie, flush it...

Got to be honest though; at least he's testing the water at all - Bon Jovi could do with listening to their fans a little more when it comes to their output and set lists.

Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1148830)

Richie has been living the California "lifestyle" since 1994 when he married Heather (and I'm not sure he hadn't already moved out there).

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1149023)

Who knows… I think Richie’s pissed about Jon changing stage positions, he wants to focus on his own stuff and doesn’t feel like a partner in the process anymore but that’s just my opinion. Has Jon done anything other than just being how he’s always been in the last 15 years? Probably not. Is Richie just being a bit of an airhead, arty-farty, cry-baby? Probably. But who knows.

Richie’s being cold… Jon’s Just Colder… BOOM.

Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1149010)

Knowing Richie's been AWOL and may continue to be, knowing Phil's got a baby coming due, and knowing how anal he can be about things, wouldn't you think Jon would already have a plan in case both Richie and Phil are unavailable? I don't think Mr Control would leave it to chance. Unless he too expects Richie to be back in September. :D

Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1149048)

I'm posting this just because I find it amusing, in a way.

The article ends with: "Either way, posted feedback on the ‘Come Back As Me’ YouTube upload (which you can watch above) has been overwhelmingly positive, and Sambora’s fans are clearly ready for more."

I think some people in here would have a word or two to say on the matter! LOL
I still can't wrap my head around the fact they're actually deleting any comment that differs from "OMG! AWESOME! THE BEST EVER!11!11!1! **** BON JOVI".

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/richi...me-back-as-me/

Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1149061)

Well, with both Richie's and Phil's future this fall remaining uncertain I think Jon still has a plan that doesn't involve either of them. And I just read that after heavy negotiations with Stallone to be in Expendables 3, Seagal still has not answered his offer. does Jon have a surprising card up his sleve?? :p

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_jFp7RLimk...all-guitar.jpg

Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1149064)

Oh my forking Christ! Seagal would be the only replacement that I'd be happy with. Jon wouldn't get away with no bad attitude either. Super Steve would chop him around the neck quicker than you could say stink eye. He could also double as the band's security.

Originally Posted by Rickbro (Post 1149071)

If he looses 100lbs. Bands security? I think not. I know someone who chocked him out twice on the set of one of his earlier movies. I played one of Segals songs for someone via YouTube. They actually liked it until they found out who it was.

Originally Posted by Rickbro (Post 1149071)

If he looses 100lbs. Bands security? I think not. I know someone who chocked him out twice on the set of one of his earlier movies. I played one of Segals songs for someone via YouTube. They actually liked it until they found out who it was.