Heres where Im at with this whole mess.

I beleive Richie is/has been fed up with the direction of the band since probably at least the Circle. We on here have said for a long time that he had become stagnant whether through his own choice or the CEO taking control and not allowing him to add some Rocking guitar tracks/solos into the mix. Personally i think its the latter, and I apportion some of the blame at Jons feet for that.

However to pull out when he did, then promote some overpriced fashion junk with a woman pulling his strings, telling him what to do and say, when fans across the planet had paid big money to see the 100% Bon Jovi is nothing but a TWATS TRICK, I do believe that he acted on "advice" from Miss Lund, so she could have him all to herself to promote her crap. Added to that touring Europe with his daughter at the same time as the band he should be in poured salt on the wound, especially the STONES GIG...

I respect him for making a stand on his input but he could have handled it OH SO differently, such as BEFORE THE TOUR WAS PLANNED.

My hope is that the whole band drop off the radar for a few years, and come back with an album that has BOTH of them contributing and bringing back that ROCKIER BON JOVI SOUND, that got "Most" of us addicted in the first place!!!!!

Ehhh The Circle is the only album he's had a hand in writing every single track on. How could he be so upset with the direction when he's a big reason they sound like they do?

Geez, I hope to God that PhilX is making more than $10,000 a month. He should be making $10,000 a night at least for saving Bon Jovi's collective asses.

lol I thought that when I read it...though I'm sure the whole thing's bullshit anyway.

Of course it's bullshit. And the more bullshit it is, the more it gets picked up by other outlets: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ear...on-jovi-611359

Go mow the yard and look what happens, Richie get fired. Remember Rumor Fix is who Nikki and Borg had at Genlux and outside their lunch back in May. Same P/R, partners that are going to take him down eventually. Someone tweeted it to Matt, but nothing yet. If he says nothing... He's a pain sometimes but been pretty quick to call most of the articles bull. Since it's coming from Richies new bf's it may well be true. Bet they are happy, now they have his name, time and money to go through. Afraid just like WTB, NR will not be a money maker. I've been wrong once or twice in my life. But..... Not the way I wanted this to end.

Phil X is making a lot more than that. A source called common sense verifies that....

I'm very aware they're behind all this, I mentioned it in my previous post. Thing is... I don't trust them anyway. He won't come back for this tour, true. The rest could and is very likely to be bullshit.

But would Jon and the rest of the band even have him back after all this going on...most of which as we rightly know seems to be orchestrated by Richie's PR buddies, so Richie has to be aware of it and has to be endorsing it. Even if most of it turned out to actually be true, this isn't how the jersey syndicate operates. Airing their problems in trashy gossip columns is even worse.

My favorite source, a shame too many people refuse to listen to it.





Quote: Originally Posted by Crash

But would Jon and the rest of the band even have him back after all this going on...most of which as we rightly know seems to be orchestrated by Richie's PR buddies, so Richie has to be aware of it and has to be endorsing it. Even if most of it turned out to actually be true, this isn't how the jersey syndicate operates. Airing their problems in trashy gossip columns is even worse."



No, this is def. NOT JERSEY way of press, As much as I adore Sambo, this is def. coming out of his camp now. Hair on my neck stood up back in May and it is very very rarely wrong.

Exactly. Honestly, I don't believe he'll ever be back/accepted back. Hope is one thing, belief is another, and I don't believe that's possible anymore. At least not any time soon.

Seems I agree with you more than not. Just looking and the Eagles are going to be close to me in Nov. You know, Hell Had To Freeze Over for them. Wonder how long for BJ/Sambo.

Not until his new bff's are out of the picture Should want to cry but just pissed and not really sure why. TOOOOO invested.

You know that common sense source noted earlier.

IF anyone cares, Matt did reply as I'm sure he was getting slammed with questions. I didn't break down all the conversations but just his: As I copy and pasted it shows most recent first, so you may want to read bottom up.


Matthew Bongiovi‏@MatthewBongiovi7m
@JBJsWildflower LMAO really... we take it very serious and supported him while he was sober

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Matthew Bongiovi‏@MatthewBongiovi11m
@smirksrule SHOUT OUT!!! LOL


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ok well happy tweeting... I'm tired and want to chill while i can.....
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Matthew Bongiovi‏@MatthewBongiovi18m
Yoko Ono comes to mind..... hmmm interesting...


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Matthew Bongiovi‏@MatthewBongiovi19m
I welcome this so called source to go head to head with me on here. Bring it on mystery man.... or girl. lol


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Matthew Bongiovi‏@MatthewBongiovi31m
Until they name the so called source of the information and it really is a person involved directly don't bother feeding into them

That's what everybody's wondering. Also, the Yoko Ono comment says it all, really.

http://modgblogcom.c.presscdn.com/wp...1/PUHLEASE.jpg

Are there SERIOUSLY people who believe that what Nikki is doing to Bon Jovi is even close to being similar to the Yoko/Beatles situation?

Don't be so literal. He is saying it the same way many if us have said it. Nikki is obviously having an influence on Richie.

Well no ****ing duh she's having an influence on him. But to even think that she is affecting Richie's place in the band in any way is absolutely moronic. If Richie is fired from the band/tour, it's NOT because of Nikki. At all.

I agree with you. But all this damn drama is so distasteful. This was a band that I was proud of for NOT pulling this shit - ugh.......

Oh most certainly. It gets more sickening by the day. But what some people are deciding to believe about the entire situation just makes me shake my head.

It'd be impossible for me to call myself a fan of the current Bon Jovi. Luckily, their previous work is so undeniably great that I still enjoy them a great deal.

I don't think it's the firing from the tour which he is implying. I just think that everything started when Nikki came on board. She is whispering in Richie's ear and stroking the ego, you are better than Jon that sort of thing.

Kathleen, 100% agree with you. If you had told me that this band would be involved in this he said/she said, I would never have believed you. I always thought they were above this. Matt is not helping matters either.

No, if people are going to use tweets to jump to conclusions they have to know the context. Someone said to Matt "I was harassed by someone who "knows" Richie left because Jon "made fun of" his alochol probs. Not true, right?" and that's what he answered.

Interesting how the source told rumor fix the EXACT same thing as someone told me days ago before this article came out. And the person who told me this was NOT Nikki or someone in Richie's camp. I already posted what he said a few pages ago, but this is what he said:
Richie has tried to call and email Jon to set up a meeting, but Jon is ignoring him. Jon likes making more money now that Richie is gone.
He also said a few more things about Jon, most of it very negative.

I took it with a grain of salt before, but now...I don't know.

Matt could come out and tell the truth, if he wanted to. He doesn't. He only makes comments when something negative about his brother appears in the media. And all his comments don't clear up anything. They just stir the pot even more. And I think that's exactly what he wants. He's not interested in telling it like it is.

Really? My guy said he worked for someone in the Bon Jovi camp. What did that person tell your friend?
Strange, how fans are being brought into this.

The guy I talked to didn't care what "side" I was on. He just told me what he says happened. He didn't care whether I believed it or not. He just said he wants fans to know, because he's annoyed by Jon trying to save face in the media.

Your friend doesn't post the anon's comments...the old comments anyway. That's why I can't say if it's the same peson who contacted me.

I've been saying for a while that Jon and Matt are not being truthful, so I agree with that part of it. As for the other things he said, like the reasons why Richie left and why he can't come back, I don't know.

All I can say is I lost trust in official sources. I'm more inclined to believe other sources now than I was a few weeks ago.

Whenever I'm faced with information that I don't know if I can trust, I look at consistency. He was very consistent. A lot more consistent than official sources. I wasn't able to catch him in a lie. He also wasn't very emotional about it. He said what he said rather matter-of-factly. It didn't sound like he held a grudge.

Can we change the name if this thread now to something like "Richie no longer in Bon jovi .... Your thoughts ?" ? . Im addicted to this thread and over it. clearly he wont be back ....

Im also pissed i missed posting on the 1000th page !

I want to dare someone to read this thread from beginning to end. Grab coffee, a few spare hours and give the run down of what was discussed. I would love to know how long it would take without a break to read this whole thread.

Then start on page 1 and let us know when you're done ;)

Latest from Matt and ensuing convo:

Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi
Only one person can say what truly happened. Everything out there is false. Sure the hell not money or egos as I have said many times over

Maria D'Innocenzo ‏@marydinno 43m
@MatthewBongiovi Always putting the blame on Rich is unfair..I think there is always 2 sides of the medal... Thanks x

Thaís Martins ‏@thaismaaartins 42m
@MatthewBongiovi then could you please ask this person to explain us what's really happening? Our patience is over.

Maria D'Innocenzo ‏@marydinno 42m
@MatthewBongiovi I refuse to believe d stupid rumours & think u should ignore d stupid tweets..but keep sayin there was no row is a BIG lie

Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi 29m
@marydinno oh darling there is only one side to this one

Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi 29m
@thaismaaartins mine too

Matthew Bongiovi ‏@MatthewBongiovi 28m
@marydinno delusional

https://twitter.com/MatthewBongiovi/...72496673615872

http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...vi-tour-report

Ice

Even if it's Billboard, doesn't sound quite right to me.

Surely, Phil X would earn more than that filling in the shoes he had to fill in :D

And thus dies one of the greatest rock bands of all time.

RIP Bon Jovi
1983-2013

From what I've heard, $10000 is pretty much the standard fee for a "backing musician" on tour. I've heard the paid guys in KISS get about as much, for example. Of course, all the expenses are paid as well, catering, travel etc.

Ice

And STILL, this ridiculous tweeting bullshit from Matt goes on, STILL not giving us any damn answers.

As someone who has been a fan of this band from the beginning, I am disgusted at the way they have treated the fans. We deserve better than this for our years of dedication.

Since you posted that right after my comment... Don't assume what I believe or do not believe. I was commenting on a tweet by Matt. He mentioned Yoko Ono and my comment was meant to say I think it's telling, coming from him.

As for it being a Beatles/Yoko Ono situation, probably not. But it's not like we know anything anyway, it could be the aliens owning Richie's body or Batman holding him hostage. I do believe she has a big influence on what he is doing and how he's handling this CURRENTLY, and I think that's more of a fact than a belief of mine. Did she CAUSE all this? Hardly. But she might have been an influence under that regard as well.

It's not exactly his place to tell it all, now, is it?

Also, can anyone enlighten me about why Jule225 or someone for her deleted all her recent posts and you seem to be talking by yourself?

It's not exactly Billboard, though. They literally (and I do mean literally, go check) copied and pasted the article from The Hollywood Reporter. Which shouldn't surprise us, since Billboard actually starts it all with: "By Michele Amabile Angermiller, The Hollywood Reporter". I thought more of Billboard, but oh well.