What is the purpose of this Access All Area viewing on Bon Jovi . com today? Seriously? Almost all people tuning in to watch it, own it and have probably watched it to the point of memorizing it. For those few who don't own it, it's available to watch on YouTube so I don't really get this whole thing.

Is there going to be additional footage or something? If so, someone should record it just in-case there is extra footage. I have this feeling that somewhere along the way, Cadillac Man is going to make an appearance somewhere. Maybe not here, but somewhere.

I doubt we'll get anything extra. You're right, it's pointless.

I'm not really getting your overall point. Fans and Critics are two different things. Fans are buying these releases, not critics.

And as far as the Bon Jovi not being in the same league as the above, thats not sad at all. Those three bands have 15 to 20 years on them. We are talking mid to late 60s vrs mid 80s.

Thanks Rdkopper, appreciate it. I agree with your sentiments, it'd be a shame if we didn't get more content. I wasn't around back in the band's heyday and would love to get to know it more.

Most diehards already have got bootleg songs Others probably downloaded individual singles from Itunes or Amazon or downloaded them for free

Everybody Wants You
 

Call me crazy, but the bass and/or guitars in Full Moon High sounds quite a bit like Billy Squire's Everybody Wants You. I love Full Moon High, but everytime I play it I hear hear that Billy song! That had to have been intentional. Anybody else think so?

I jumped to the CD 2 for the demos and didn't noticed that the songs on the CD1 have an improved mixing. Bad Medicine has it's sound changes here and there, and Homebound Train sound really different. I like it!

They are bastards when it comes to making a deluxe edition. If you pay attention to Nirvana releases or deluxe editions of U2 will know of what I speak.

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I imagine the purpose is the the support you mentioned upthread that was lacking. I agree there wasn't enough promo and I'm not sure airing AAA will do much, but it must be the reason they're showing it.

I think if they would have added extra footage onto the AAA dvd, that would have catapulted sales and / or provided additional demos that were never released from that era.

When you think about it, unless you are truly into sound, this set really doesn't offer much!

Trust me, I'm ecstatic that we got these demos but I was still hoping for a little more. But then again, it goes full circle. Why should they put extra cost into a project if people are going to steal it anyway? I'm torn.

Billboard is reporting Bon Jovi New Jersey Deluxe Edition is no 73 on Billboard 200
http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=3

If they go by that logic it would at least explain the immense quality decrease of their studio output since 2000. I'm sure they've been thinking "people are going to download our records anyway - so let's NOT put too much effort into making good music anymore!" :rolleyes:

John Melloncamp admitted to that albums ago.

Sorry for going off topic, but does anybody else find the vocals in Does Anybody Really Fall In Love Anymore a little odd sounding? There are some places during the chorus where Jon's voice sounds strange; I thought it was just his voice cracking but upon a closer listen it's almost as if it was autotuned or there were multiple takes that were spliced together rather poorly. Or is it the reverb on his vocals that are making this effect?

Not off topic at all. And Yes. Especially between 51:00 to 51:02 (start it a little earlier). What's that all about?

Sounds like a cracking voice or f'ed tape.

Yeah, it's just his voice cracking, I guess. After all, it's just a demo, so why not keep the take? Especially since it's obviously an early demo...

I think it's a small part of it.

But you also have to consider that the record company does not want a band like Bon Jovi in the studio burning money. They make cash when they are out on the road and that’s where everyone involved wants to see them.

The best thing this band could do would be to craft an album over a couple of years and not opt for a concentrated amount of time in the studio.

I don't think it's that extreme. Jon has his own studio where most of the work gets done plus they've always pumped albums out pretty quickly. Blaze was written and recorded in a month.

I think the lack of quality comes from the lack quantity. Instead of writing 40 songs for an album and picking the best 12, they have been writing 15 songs for an album and picking the best 12.... And then just over producing them.... Plus Jon's vocal struggles....Lack of comradery.....etc

So why write 40, when you could write 15 and still have the same end result?

Fair point, plus I think it's Jon running out of inspiration in the last years. According to Richie he obviously doesn't want to sing songs about "broken hearts" etc (i.e. proper love songs) anymore as he seems to consider himself an artist with serious topics. But he either doesn't have the talent or the inspiration to write tunes from a social critical standpoint. While TC had it's promising lyric line every now and then, WAN lacked completely with regards to the lyrical content.

On another note I don't feel that it's the record company pushing them to hurry in a studio since Jon stated in the past: "We go into the recording studio with the songs 90% finished. We don't waste too much time in there."
The difference is that in the past those almost completed tracks were developed by the band while nowadays Jon, John and Bobby lay down most of the basics and the other input by especially Dave, Tico and Hugh seems to be minimalized to playing some fills over it.

Some good points. Though a lot of recording is done in LA at Henson studios with Shanks so it's less about saving money in Jersey. Working with Shanks was a game changer due to how fast the song are produced, less need for demo time and I assume they're saving money not having David, Tico and Hugh there from day one but I don't know how their payroll work.

I couldn't compare Blaze to today only because of how long ago it was, studio rates are way different.

I remember when The Circle came out and Born To Follow was the lead single, Jon said that it was the last song recorded for an album and it was "song number 28". I'm not 100% sure on the number, but it was definitely in the 20s. So I don't think it's the quantity. It's not like extra 10-20 songs of modern day Bon Jovi would light the world on fire. To me it comes down to Jon's vocal limitations. I am very positive that today's Jon could still write a great song for 90s Jon to sing. What About Now album still has some nice melodies, but the problem was in delivery. Richie isn't motivated to do epic solos anymore (if he was, he would've done it Aftermath), but to me a solo can never make the song great. It only works as a steroid, but doesn't replace the workout.

What I was getting at was that I think the Bon Jovi recording process has changed for two major reasons...

1. Because the music industry has changed in response to the consumer market and whether they like it or not, as a 'legacy' act, they won't shift the volume of albums they used to - YES... I know that there aren't many that do but this band could still make an impact if they actually TRIED for the first time in ten years. Which leads perfectly on to...

2. Because the band just don't TRY like they used to. Their time is precious and they won't dedicate as much of it to concentrating on an album anymore.

Which is why I say change how they do it. Write over time and make it a craft like they used to. I was showing my daughter some Guns and Bon Jovi tonight and she could see, in comparison to other bands of the time, why they lasted and why they were the biggest bands in the world - those little touches, pushing themselves that bit more to make the song great.

Recent albums are littered with songs that would make acceptable starting points for a Jovi song but don't seem to have been fully explored - taken apart, bits removed, something added - Richie said as much himself I think about the last album 'not being ready' and lots of people commented on it on here when they first heard it.

But writing is a long, painful process and although I've slated recent albums, with the declining interest in each release; Jon must think 'why do I bother, all they want to hear is Prayer'. So my hope that this band actually spends some time moulding something that really reflects them as artists and is a modern addition to their catalogue is pretty much a no-hoper.

See, here's where the whole Richie fiasco actually has a positive side to it: The chances of them changing the formula have never been better in the last 10 years.

I don't know, I thought The Circle was a really great album (I really love When We Were Beautiful, Love's The Only Rule, Bullet, Thorn In My Side, hey, even We Weren't Born To Follow (unless it's live ;-)), and Jon's vocals were still way better than on What About Now, though of course different than in the 80s/90s.

The real difference is that in an interview during the BWC tour, Jon said that nowadays he writes songs that fit his vocal range, whereas before he just tried to write great songs, no matter if he could sing them live or not. That does change it a lot, in addition to whatever it is that happened to his vocals during 2011 and 2013.

True in overall, but even Richie admitted in an interview lately, that, while The Answer took some 10-20 years to complete, he usually writes songs in a day. So I don't know if there is hope in that regard ;-)

But you're right that, when listening to demos and finished songs from previous eras, they used to tweak it a lot more, whereas now they just seem to record the written song and that's it. And while I still like most of the modern songs, they could indeed be even better if they had been more fleshed out like in the early days...

I am very positive that today's Jon could still write a great song for 90s Jon to sing

Absolutely agree!!! It's the vocal passion that made whatever song Jon sang back in the day, 100% believable.

Born To Follow is not even that bad lyrically, although I hate "the sun to shine tomorrow" lyric but if 90's Jon sang this song, it could and would be a totally different song.

Jon said that it was the last song recorded for an album and it was "song number 28"

I have a hard time believing that they wrote and recorded 28 songs for TC. I would go with 20, if not lower. Some were used for the GHs and there might be a few left over but I know the interview you are referring to and just out of curiosity, I'd love someone to find it.... I still recorded every interview onto DVD back then so I might even have it.

Born To Follow was the lead single, Jon said that it was the last song recorded for an album

I think it was the last song because the Record Company demanded a good Bon Jovi anthem type lead single, even though there were better songs on the album. Basically IML part 14. Something to wake people up. The only other song comparable is This Is Our House but I really don't know when that was recorded.

Out of UK top 100.

SONOFABITCH. I got my Deluxe copy and Disc 2, the one with all the demos, is cracked and won't play so now I have to return the thing and wait for a replacement copy. It's a good thing I've heard all these songs ages ago or I'd be pretty pissed off right about now.

Spotify makes life easy.

Oh Becky - so aggravating :( But David is right - download Spotify and simplify your life.

Is Spotify one of those things that says it's free but then tries to get you to update to a paid subscription every time you log on after the initial free pass?

No. There's no "initial free pass", it's free with ads or you pay for it. If you listen to music for free, it will play ads every now and then, much like a radio channel would. If you pay the 10$ (I guess) a month, you get a better sound quality, no ads and a good conscience, since paid subscriptions pay more to the artists per stream.

I started paying for Spotify years ago and haven't looked back.

Ice

To elaborate on what Ice said, paying for it gives you complete control over it. That means you can play the exact song or album that you wish in the order you wish.

Really, any true music lover should have and pay for Spotify or a similar service. It's a fantastic way to explore any band or artist in depth and be unlimited. I still buy the CDs if I really love the album.

This is just what I was going to say about Shanks and recording in LA. I remember reading somewhere that Shanks doesn't demo, although I do think I have a couple demos from HAND? Maybe they're just b-sides, I can't remember. In any event, with Shanks I get that "turn and burn" feeling. And I hate that they don't record each other's parts in the presence of the rest of the band. Weren't they all in the studio together recording on earlier albums? At least Cush for sure, because they filmed it for BJTV. I just feel like their recent style of production has been piecemeal. It's not organic, and I think that shows in the final product. Jon should leave John Shanks to work with Miley Cyrus and Take That, a work with a new producer if they ever record another album again.

Just tried disc 2 in my car and it won't play for some reason. Only ever had the problem with really old CD-rs.

Good points. It was up until TLFR that it was the 5 of them there at once but Shanks said in an interview Born to Follow was recorded as a band live off the floor so who knows.

Know something of the next project? box set?? BluRay Live from last tour??? DVD of An evening with Bon Jovi????

It was!

Obviously, they had many takes and multiple guitar and vocal layers were added later, but still, they got together for this.

Jon seems fine singing the song in the original key here, it's a shame he felt the need to down tune it for live performance. Old and difficult songs yes, I understand, but this is a chicken move if you ask me.

But this isn't them recording the song, it's the filming of the music video (still have no idea why they recorded two version of it and only released one) but this isn't them in the studio.