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ticos_stick 08-28-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Living_on_my_Hair (Post 1151310)
Love the ''Jon was out-acted by the furniture on Sex and the city'' quote, and the ''Bon Jovi without Richie is like porn without the money shot'' and that the Hyde park show was '' a dry hump that only took us half way there'' :) heh


Good review from someone who knows what he's talking about.

JoviJovi 08-28-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joriile (Post 1151311)
If Richie was indeed forced out by Jon due to drinking problems, why Jon didn't have a backup guitarist in Calgary?

Probably because not showing up for Calgary was a result of the drinking problem and the ultimatum was given after that.

IML88 08-28-2013 05:16 PM

Great review, accurate and totally ecoh's how I feel and what I said after the one show I saw this tour.

I don't love Jon or Richie more than the other and I don't hate Phil X cos he's not Richie. I'm totally objective in this pantomime situation but the band have been lacking something fundamental since Richie left and this review sums it up perfectly.

Kiwi78 08-28-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joriile (Post 1151311)
If Richie was indeed forced out by Jon due to drinking problems, why Jon didn't have a backup guitarist in Calgary?

Because he missed the flight.

The band were trying to deal with it inside but it fell apart.

Kiwi78 08-28-2013 05:51 PM

Now this is an interesting read too.

http://musicbizadvice.com/advice/fea...s-in-bon-jovi/

bjcrazycpa 08-28-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi78 (Post 1151316)
Now this is an interesting read too.

http://musicbizadvice.com/advice/fea...s-in-bon-jovi/

To me, this seems to be the most sincere and motive free of what's been put out there thus far.

Bounce7800 08-28-2013 05:55 PM

Thats actually a really good review for a magazine, that's definitely a fan writing that one. Now time for a bit of a rant after flicking through some of the crap over the last few pages.

Shame to see the thread reflect all the Bon Jovi fans over social media at the moment, by taking sides and being at each others throats. Its pathetic all round, there was me being a fan of this band like I thought everyone else was, but apparently I'm very much in the minority. Maybe its because I'm a bloke and therefore have no sexual attraction to the protagonists so don't need to be #teamrichie or #teamjon. Apologies if that's a bit of a sweeping sexist statement, but it seems a lot of the bands female fans (of which they are the majority) just side with who they fancy, must as I would side with Kimberley in Girls Aloud, they pick their sides between Jon & Richie. Obviously that's not everyone, but there's a hell of a lot of that vein posturing out there.

Sadly what they, and Richie, can't seem to see is that without Bon Jovi, Richie is nothing. Everything he does and is able to do, he owes it to his time in the band and to his fans. He certainly wouldn't be flogging some gussets to the Japanese on QVC on his own back. Demanding Richie break off and go solo- why? Why can't we have the band AND solo breaks like we have had for 30 years? Why does it have to be a pissing contest all the time? There's bound to be wrong on both sides, but for so called "Bon Jovi" fans to be wanting the band torn apart and their idol to make it on their own and beat the other one leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

I'm glad for the most part on here we can make our OPINIONS on either side (and we are always speculating, thanks to the bands and Richie's inept PR) without, for the most part, being dragged into the silly childish fights that this fanbase are partaking in elsewhere. It's making One Direction fans seem mature. But then, with seemingly Jon & Richie being less than adult about the whole thing, is it any wonder?

Kiwi78 08-28-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1151317)
To me, this seems to be the most sincere and motive free of what's been put out there thus far.

I couldn't agree more with you.

This guy has no agenda. I'm worried about Richie and have been for a long time, I really hope he gets what he needs soon.

golittleperson 08-28-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi78 (Post 1151316)
Now this is an interesting read too.

http://musicbizadvice.com/advice/fea...s-in-bon-jovi/

Probably the truest story to this point. I felt Richies "circle" was bad as we have discussed ad nausium on here...... I can't imagine 30 years ending over $. Felt like they were a family with all it's aggrevations, but bottom line family first. Damn It! I hate it all the same.

Kiwi78 08-28-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1151320)
Probably the truest story to this point. I felt Richies "circle" was bad as we have discussed ad nausium on here...... I can't imagine 30 years ending over $. Felt like they were a family with all it's aggrevations, but bottom line family first. Damn It! I hate it all the same.

Yup, problem was because this was different than last time no one believed it was a reason. And I gotta say, from those pictures/video in Japan he's not starting to look good.

People have to remember addicts are good at lying and hiding things. And I base this on personal experience.

I honestly do believe this and I get not everyone will but if this is the truth, people need to stop bickering and realize someone's well being is at stake here.

golittleperson 08-28-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1151256)
Perhaps she attempts to befriend the haters & dm them to stir the pot & make fans more angry... Cos she's is not helping a bad time like this.. I don't care to know what she saying.. It's kinda weird interfering with fans opinion of Richie when his filling his time on the fashion line & once his performing contact expires will turn his mind on music once more & NikkiRich takes a backseat..... The fashion line bores me I could care less & can't make myself like something cos Richie's name is attached...... & so many fans are supporting the faahionline just cos its Richie & the same situation with Philly Soul & Jon fans clamoirednto be part of it even not the game....

I happened to remember a few posts, yours one of them about some oddities, and then when i read the 30Yrs Gone, The Real Story Article today this stood out. It seems to fit.
"
8. Someone who has a lot to gain–I won’t mention names–is orchestrating a full-on media takedown of Jon Bon Jovi, and they’re taking advantage of the fact that Jon, as Richie Sambora’s employer, is legally prevented from saying anything about Richie’s absence from the band. Even worse, the people orchestrating the attack are using unsuspecting, well-meaning Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora fans to do it."

semigoodlookin 08-28-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi78 (Post 1151316)
Now this is an interesting read too.

http://musicbizadvice.com/advice/fea...s-in-bon-jovi/

Does anybody know the validity of the writer? It is a sincere and nice piece, but sometimes it comes off like a fan just hoping for the best but making it sound like their in the know. Other time admittedly it seems as if this person does at least have a passing knowledge of the band and industry. Would be intresting to know how legit the writer is.

Bill23 08-28-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1151324)
Does anybody know the validity of the writer? It is a sincere and nice piece, but sometimes it comes off like a fan just hoping for the best but making it sound like their in the know. Other time admittedly it seems as if this person does at least have a passing knowledge of the band and industry. Would be intresting to know how legit the writer is.

http://randireed.com/

https://twitter.com/MusicBizAdvice

golittleperson 08-28-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1151324)
Does anybody know the validity of the writer? It is a sincere and nice piece, but sometimes it comes off like a fan just hoping for the best but making it sound like their in the know. Other time admittedly it seems as if this person does at least have a passing knowledge of the band and industry. Would be intresting to know how legit the writer is.

I C&P part of his Linkin below. IF he is just a fan, he seems to have set up a rather elaborate plan on the web. Also shows his web site, which I have not seen yet. He "feels" the most real to me thus far as he doesn't seem to have anything to gain and he doesn't come across as a zealot for either side of things.


Summary




***See my bio and list of artists at http://www.randireed.com.***

***In order to maintain the privacy of the companies and colleagues I work with (and to keep them from getting spammed and stalked by fans of certain artists) I only list my own company under employment. My detailed resume and employment information is not published publicly.***

I've worked at the Platinum level of the music industry since 1992, with a heavy emphasis on live music from all sides of the contract: agent, artist, artist manager, and talent buyer / concert promoter. Before I worked behind the scenes I started out as a singer. I hated it but am grateful for the experience, because it helps me teach artists how to to prevent problems no one would believe even exist unless they'd been there!

I excel at handling confidential information and finding solutions to tough music business problems. I'm experienced in rock, alternative, pop, country, and AC and enjoy guest speaking for college music business classes.

Specialties: Emphasis on live music industry, Troubleshooting, Problem solving, Management performance audits, Artist security consults, Artist Development, Live Performance Coaching, Image development, PR, Branding, Marketing, Writing, Public speaking, Guest Speaker.

Stiggy 08-28-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Living_on_my_Hair (Post 1151310)
Love the ''Jon was out-acted by the furniture on Sex and the city'' quote, and the ''Bon Jovi without Richie is like porn without the money shot'' and that the Hyde park show was '' a dry hump that only took us half way there'' :) heh

lmao.......

Supersonic 08-28-2013 06:54 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1151324)
Does anybody know the validity of the writer? It is a sincere and nice piece, but sometimes it comes off like a fan just hoping for the best but making it sound like their in the know. Other time admittedly it seems as if this person does at least have a passing knowledge of the band and industry. Would be intresting to know how legit the writer is.

It's a bunch of "facts" from "inside information" he can't talk about due to whatever reasons he can come up with. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of common sense can write a similar article, and just because it's on a website written by a reporter doesn't make it any more legit than most of what's been posted here. As a matter of fact, it reads like these dreadful epistels of Tony Kuzminski or whatever his name is. Because if there's one thing many fans like, it's articles written in a way they can agree with what's being said, and then big up said reporter or writer. "That guy is a great writer, he writes what I think". Only to forget that some stuff written down doesn't make much sense anyway, but hey, IT'S AN ARTICLE SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

Think of it, to have this guy, out of all sources available, come up with an article that, when it comes down to it, only says things like "Don't believe in tabloids" and then actually fabricates a story build around the exact rumours he tries to disqualify is laughable at best. Down the line he's just another fan with a theory. If there'd really be some information available it'd be in Q, Rolling Stone magazine and the likes. Not musicbizadvice.com. If anythng, this article will probably be cited over and over again by others to say "We've got confirmation, oh boohoo Richie you're drinking again" , trying to hold on to every single bit of "official" confirmation that the tabloids were wrong about "their" band, followed by massive requests on Twitter for Richie to lay down the bottle and "support" his illness.

That's all the "" I can come up with for now. :p

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

semigoodlookin 08-28-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1151329)
Aloha !



It's a bunch of "facts" from "inside information" he can't talk about due to whatever reasons he can come up with. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of common sense can write a similar article, and just because it's on a website written by a reporter doesn't make it any more legit than most of what's been posted here. As a matter of fact, it reads like these dreadful epistels of Tony Kuzminski or whatever his name is. Because if there's one thing many fans like, it's articles written in a way they can agree with what's being said, and then big up said reporter or writer. "That guy is a great writer, he writes what I think". Only to forget that some stuff written down doesn't make much sense anyway, but hey, IT'S AN ARTICLE SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

Think of it, to have this guy, out of all sources available, come up with an article that, when it comes down to it, only says things like "Don't believe in tabloids" and then actually fabricates a story build around the exact rumours he tries to disqualify is laughable at best. Down the line he's just another fan with a theory. If there'd really be some information available it'd be in Q, Rolling Stone magazine and the likes. Not musicbizadvice.com. If anythng, this article will probably be cited over and over again by others to say "We've got confirmation, oh boohoo Richie you're drinking again" , trying to hold on to every single bit of "official" confirmation that the tabloids were wrong about "their" band, followed by massive requests on Twitter for Richie to lay down the bottle and "support" his illness.

That's all the "" I can come up with for now. :p

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

So it's true then.

Supersonic 08-28-2013 07:03 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1151330)
So it's true then.

http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/...h-you-show.jpg

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

jessycardy 08-28-2013 07:13 PM

This is basically a more detailed version of what RadarOnline posted a few hours ago. They either got a scoop on what was about to be posted or she was inspired by that article and then wrote her own.

It's not really important among all that she said, but I wonder why so many people seem to forget that the first leg of the tour actually had Richie playing and it was from the second one onwards that Phil X replaced him.

tigrs99 08-28-2013 07:32 PM

The media contact for Randi Reed is Jinjer Hudley who on twitter claims her to be a Jon Bon Jovi die hard fans
So anything in the article by Randy needs to be taken with a grain of salt

golittleperson 08-28-2013 08:06 PM

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...vi-jon-leaves/

Well Radar Online sure did a quick back step - now the Richie contacts tell them it was all inaccurate. I guess they believe them more than their source earlier from BJ mgmt. Wondered how they went from all Pro Richie to the article that was not so. Backtracked now. Such BS all around.

Now they read:UPDATE 1.12 pm — Another source tells Radar that Jon and Sambora have not spoken since April and talk of an intervention is way off the mark. “It’s disheartening that it has come to this. Richie is healthy. He is not drinking.

jessycardy 08-28-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1151337)
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/20...vi-jon-leaves/

Well Radar Online sure did a quick back step - now the Richie contacts tell them it was all inaccurate. I guess they believe them more than their source earlier from BJ mgmt. Wondered how they went from all Pro Richie to the article that was not so. Backtracked now. Such BS all around.

That's because, as I mentioned before, their source wasn't the band's manager. A previous article used the same quote without attributing it to the band's manager and just claiming it was a source. It gave them away immediately. Until somebody really comes up with actual, proven sources, they're all most likely full of bullshit, no matter how many times they update, twist, change, go back and forth on their stories.

JoviForever 08-28-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill23 (Post 1151284)
Curious about this -
The band’s manager has confirmed the guitarist’s departure, saying that “there were a lot of well-documented problems, so this was the best decision for now.”

Another piece of fiction.

malcyc 08-28-2013 08:30 PM

Richie's RT of the shop japan video has disappeared...

golittleperson 08-28-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by malcyc (Post 1151341)
Richie's RT of the shop japan video has disappeared...

That's interesting, my feeling that someone else has a way into his account? I would have thought he was on his way back to Cali when that went out? It was RT twice, supposedly from him.

JoviJovi 08-28-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1151344)
That's interesting, my feeling that someone else has a way into his account? I would have thought he was on his way back to Cali when that went out? It was RT twice, supposedly from him.

I still see it.

jovigirlCT 08-28-2013 09:12 PM

Not to be out done, Sean Borg has posted a link to Rumorfix about
an article on Rumorfix in which they state that Richie came to them exclusively to say the article about the intervention was BS. It claims Richie stated that he wanted to come back to the tour for the fans. Think maybe Sean Borg has been busy again!!

ben 08-28-2013 09:21 PM

Here it is

http://rumorfix.com/2013/08/richie-s...-bs-exclusive/

JoviForever 08-28-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ben (Post 1151349)

Can't Richie see that he's just making it harder for himself to come back? Using gossip sites to give his side of the story. Jon will be hating this so much because it goes against everything he's ever stood for in the band and yet Richie is seemingly encouraging it!

ben 08-28-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoviForever (Post 1151351)
Can't Richie see that he's just making it harder for himself to come back? Using gossip sites to give his side of the story. Jon will be hating this so much because it goes against everything he's ever stood for in the band and yet Richie is seemingly encouraging it!

Right! generally speaking they're destroying what they created for 30 yrs now.. what a great way to celebrate 30 yrs anniversary btw.
AND it's so unfair for Tico and David and Hugh too.
They're supposed to be adults with a massive career, they'd better stop all that and show their fans some respect and think of their legacy too before it's too late!! true and die hard fans are angry and disappointed... plus they've run out of patience.

golittleperson 08-28-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1151346)
I still see it.

IDK, I can see where others Rt his RT, and it
stays on my phone messages but it's gone when I pull his profile?? Below is the last first one I see now fro Aug. 20. The RT was there this am? I hadn't noticed until someone else pointed it out. Also noted about the time that RT did go out Richie started to follow a NR intern site??? Been with the fashion business for years and now starts to follow intern?? Something is just strange to me.

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Richie Sambora‏@TheRealSambora20 Aug
Low country blues by Gregg Allman.... The best ever... So amazing.. God bless you and your brother...

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WillRunForChocolate 08-28-2013 10:29 PM

Interesting. When I was watching the Live from London concert stream this weekend, I saw a tweet allegedly from @therealsambora that said said something to the effect of "that was an amazing concert" or something along those lines.

I thought it very strange that he would tweet anything Bon Jovi-related, particularly during the concert. I went to his profile (or whatever it's called - I'm a twitter newbie) there was no such post. Weird.

JoviJovi 08-28-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1151356)
IDK, I can see where others Rt his RT, and it
stays on my phone messages but it's gone when I pull his profile?? Below is the last first one I see now fro Aug. 20. The RT was there this am? I hadn't noticed until someone else pointed it out. Also noted about the time that RT did go out Richie started to follow a NR intern site??? Been with the fashion business for years and now starts to follow intern?? Something is just strange to me.

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Richie Sambora‏@TheRealSambora20 Aug
Low country blues by Gregg Allman.... The best ever... So amazing.. God bless you and your brother...

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I don't know, when I go to his profile, I still see the RTs. Strange.

golittleperson 08-28-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WillRunForChocolate (Post 1151359)
Interesting. When I was watching the Live from London concert stream this weekend, I saw a tweet allegedly from @therealsambora that said said something to the effect of "that was an amazing concert" or something along those lines.

I thought it very strange that he would tweet anything Bon Jovi-related, particularly during the concert. I went to his profile (or whatever it's called - I'm a twitter newbie) there was no such post. Weird.

I think I know what you saw, be careful because there are a few Richie parodys or even fakes, look for the correct spelling (ie one was @therealsamdora), verified check, and they will use his avatar to "fool" you. I have phone notification if the auth. account tweets (I know, so sad) and the RT's that are now gone did come via his account but the ones you are talking about I'm pretty certain were parodys.

efiste2 08-28-2013 10:54 PM

I think as the Bulls#it is flying thick and fast its not going to be long before we get a statement from one of them.......and unless its from one of their mouths and on film, nothing can be believed........at the moment im leaning towards the Jon being supportive and insisting rehab "story"......I really dont think jon would kick him out over money!!!

WillRunForChocolate 08-28-2013 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1151361)
I think I know what you saw, be careful because there are a few Richie parodys or even fakes, look for the correct spelling (ie one was @therealsamdora), verified check, and they will use his avatar to "fool" you. I have phone notification if the auth. account tweets (I know, so sad) and the RT's that are now gone did come via his account but the ones you are talking about I'm pretty certain were parodys.

Thanks! I figured it was a fake but as I said I'm a newbie. It was a fantastic concert though. Amazing energy and vocals. I loved it :)

Stiggy 08-28-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1151317)
To me, this seems to be the most sincere and motive free of what's been put out there thus far.

its false.. Jinjer Hundly wrote it, a jon fan.

ticos_stick 08-28-2013 11:12 PM

Bad wig day.

http://static.rumorfix.com/wp-conten...08/sambora.jpg

DestinationJovi 08-28-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1151277)
I seriously don't understand why everybody jumps to attention whenever a new "Examiner" article comes out. I'm not sure everybody knows how it all works, so I'll briefly explain it to you. It might look like a place for reporters and journalists, but it's not. I, you, your neighbor's granny could sign up and write our own stuff, kinda like BuzzFeed. There's no "Mr./Mrs. BuzzFeed", it's just a platform anyone can sign up to and post what they like, with the advantage in visibility that comes with a well-known website.

They might be interesting reads, or they could be means to carry out one's own personal agenda, or they could be everything in between. But in any case, they'll still carry the same value as each and every opinion posted here in this thread, at most.

Well Richie has 109,000 twitter followers. He follows 130. One of the 130 people he follows is the writer of that Examiner article.

DestinationJovi 08-28-2013 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1151365)

He also looks about 6 months pregnant.


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