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Kev 07-26-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1180658)
What are all the new orange hyperlinked words throughout everyone's posts?? :confused:

Peter is trying out new ads. This is aimed at keeping the board alive and paying for server costs etc.

DestinationJovi 07-26-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kev (Post 1180665)
Peter is trying out new ads. This is aimed at keeping the board alive and paying for server costs etc.

Thanks Kev.

Kathleen 07-27-2014 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1180661)


These are so-called infolinks. At first I thought my PC was infected with malware, but it seems to be on this forum only. I've no idea whether or even why one of the mods decided to use this?!
But, if you use Google Chrome, you can use the extension AdBlock which cuts it out just fine (I'm sure other add-ons in different browsers fulfill the same purpose).

AdBlock plus works with Firefox to do the same thing.

DevilsSon 07-30-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1180693)
AdBlock plus works with Firefox to do the same thing.

sorry if late. just noticed this. You can also just click on the question mark and then turn them off.

heart&dagger 07-30-2014 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1180746)
sorry if late. just noticed this. You can also just click on the question mark and then turn them off.

Worked like a charm, many thanks...

Lucas_Roli 08-07-2014 12:05 PM

What do you guys think,if there will be a next tour is there any chance that the band will perform some songs from the NJ demos?
I would really love to hear a live version of Backdoor To Heaven although I highly doubt that Jon could pull that song off live. Also House of Fire would be really nice to hear live.

liljovi93 08-07-2014 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1180982)
What do you guys think,if there will be a next tour is there any chance that the band will perform some songs from the NJ demos?
I would really love to hear a live version of Backdoor To Heaven although I highly doubt that Jon could pull that song off live. Also House of Fire would be really nice to hear live.

Highly unlikely.

rolo_tomachi 08-07-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1180982)
What do you guys think,if there will be a next tour is there any chance that the band will perform some songs from the NJ demos?
I would really love to hear a live version of Backdoor To Heaven although I highly doubt that Jon could pull that song off live. Also House of Fire would be really nice to hear live.

I do not think so. I'd be surprised if they keep playing some song of What About Now.

Lucas_Roli 08-13-2014 12:02 PM

Can someone with the booklet please tell me what Jon says toward the end of Backdoor To Heaven? Here is what I understand :
You gotta let me in,let me in,let me in the backdoor to Heaven
Halfway to paradise,you're my backdoor to heaven,oh baby let me in heaven
Through your heart,your soul,your kiss,your mine,my soul,my angel(i'm not sure about this one)
My kiss,your lips,alright(not sure about this one either)

I would really appreciate it :D

Ghostorm 08-13-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1181165)
Can someone with the booklet please tell me what Jon says toward the end of Backdoor To Heaven? Here is what I understand :
You gotta let me in,let me in,let me in the backdoor to Heaven
Halfway to paradise,you're my backdoor to heaven,oh baby let me in heaven
Through your heart,your soul,your kiss,your mine,my soul,my angel(i'm not sure about this one)
My kiss,your lips,alright(not sure about this one either)

I would really appreciate it :D

You gotta let me in, let me in, let me in
The backdoor to heaven
Halfway to paradise
You're my backdoor to heaven
Oh baby, let me in, yeah

In your heart, your soul, your kiss
Your mind, my soul, my everything
My kiss, your lips ...

trevrox 08-22-2014 06:17 AM

Dying for news on the next release!

Rdkopper 08-22-2014 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by trevrox (Post 1181416)
Dying for news on the next release!

I was searching online yesterday and came up blank.

I'm sure we'll hear something in September.

I just hope that they don't pull the plug on this project due to lack of sales from the NJ release

rocker1981 08-22-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1181427)
I was searching online yesterday and came up blank.

I'm sure we'll hear something in September.

I just hope that they don't pull the plug on this project due to lack of sales from the NJ release

Does anyone know total sales for the Deluxe / Super Deluxe. Whilst a lot of it was recycled material, I wonder how many WW sales were needed to break even. Does anyone have any idea?

Obviously another release is unlikely to be issued if it actually loses money / makes so little profit so not worth putting the resource towards.

SuperBrad 08-28-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by trevrox (Post 1181416)
Dying for news on the next release!

Me too ! Are we expecting another deluxe edition of a different album ? Or a decent live dvd ? Hammersmith ? Box set ? Mmmmmn , i wonder . Getting bored although stiil loving sons of beaches and play most days still ;)

Rdkopper 08-28-2014 05:15 PM

I'm sure we'll get some news soon. The reason why we got the NJ news early and basically how this topic got started was because the info was leaked over an old school picture.

Which reminds me, did anyone go back to the Son Of Beaches booklet and check to see if that leaked picture which was posted on-line was the same one used in the booklet? I believe that picture was from the Hammersmith show...

Although Hammersmith might be the greatest live Bon Jovi show ever, especially in terms of something outside the norm, I doubt we'll ever get it. Not that I'd rule it out but I think it's a complete long shot, although I hope I'm wrong.

Whatever the next project is though, I believe Obie worked on it already and it is completed. Yes, album sales are the main goal however this is supposed to be a gift to die-hards for the 30th anniversary plus it's a way to keep Bon Jovi on the map in-between albums so I doubt they'd shelf it.

I just think that Jon and people are on summer vacation and it's on hold until September. They are still somewhat promoting Sons Of Beaches too. They have that online autograph contest that just ended last week. Regardless of how the album does, it still has to run its course and it was only released a month and a half ago. I'd say at least three months between projects with an announcement around 2 months.

Faceman 08-28-2014 05:50 PM

I'd say one project per year. We won't get anything new before next year.

Rdkopper 08-28-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1181531)
I'd say one project per year. We won't get anything new before next year.

One per year? What if they do all 12 albums?

nikos greece 08-28-2014 07:43 PM

i really believe that if there is clear loud message about what shows we would like to be released there eould be chances we would get them. hammersmith being the holy grail...
i mean i see banners in shows requesting who says to be played...its a mediocre song that is played at every show...you dont have to request it...sometimes i wonder whats jon thinks of his past albums/tours etc and if he is aware about how much more fans would like to witness wembley full, hammersmith, giants 89 and other shows like these...
in this age with you tube there are many shows available from all the eras in questionable quality so i truly believe that they should/could release a dvd from each era, and show how good they used to be live...it could be available for downloading for example and it would cost them minimum

Faceman 08-28-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1181532)
One per year? What if they do all 12 albums?

Then they got 12 years to sort things out ;)

But I don't believe in another outtake-album. Because I don't believe there are too many demos in appropriate quality left.
The band doesn't like the first two albums. So why should they release material they don't stand behind or are even embarrassed listening to?
Slippery might be an album they could do something similar with. But Slippery has always been THE album every other Bon Jovi record was measured by. To me it would have been logical to start with Slippery if they really planned to do this thing with every album.
Since the beginning they told the story that New Jersey was meant to be a double album. So for 25 years fans were curious how the second part of that great album would sound like. The album even had a title without being released. So when you think about it nowadays it's not that much of a surprise that one time or another this album finds its way out of the vault.
Besides, most of those demos already leaked years ago. If that many demos in this quality would exist of other albums, I think we would already have them. But as far as I'm concerned the biggest bunch of (other than NJ) demos we got are the basement sessions and production demos from Slippery...and there aren't too many songs that didn't end as an b-side somewhere.
With Keep The Faith I somehow don't think there are too many demos left. Back then it was quite common to put demos and outtakes on the b-side of the singles. Between 1992 - 1994 we mostly got live tracks. Many Slippery and New Jersey demos leaked but Keep The Faith?
These Days is the only other album I could think of a similiar box. During that time they were writing like hell. And most of the songs on the 2004 Box Set I guess were from that period respectively from 1994 - 1996. So that's a thing I could imagine.
With Crush and Bounce enough outtakes were given out. And with the albums not having that status like the old ones I don't think there are any plans. And with all records afterwards I don't think they even recorded (many) demos. Sometime between Have A Nice Day and The Circle I remember reading an interview with Richie about their way of working these days and he said that they know what makes a good song so they directly record the songs without doing demos and production demos and stuff like that. And I think we all agree that one can hear that. If they had taken a little more time working on those songs...

Rdkopper 08-29-2014 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1181536)
Then they got 12 years to sort things out ;)

But I don't believe in another outtake-album. Because I don't believe there are too many demos in appropriate quality left.
The band doesn't like the first two albums. So why should they release material they don't stand behind or are even embarrassed listening to?
Slippery might be an album they could do something similar with. But Slippery has always been THE album every other Bon Jovi record was measured by. To me it would have been logical to start with Slippery if they really planned to do this thing with every album.
Since the beginning they told the story that New Jersey was meant to be a double album. So for 25 years fans were curious how the second part of that great album would sound like. The album even had a title without being released. So when you think about it nowadays it's not that much of a surprise that one time or another this album finds its way out of the vault.
Besides, most of those demos already leaked years ago. If that many demos in this quality would exist of other albums, I think we would already have them. But as far as I'm concerned the biggest bunch of (other than NJ) demos we got are the basement sessions and production demos from Slippery...and there aren't too many songs that didn't end as an b-side somewhere.
With Keep The Faith I somehow don't think there are too many demos left. Back then it was quite common to put demos and outtakes on the b-side of the singles. Between 1992 - 1994 we mostly got live tracks. Many Slippery and New Jersey demos leaked but Keep The Faith?
These Days is the only other album I could think of a similiar box. During that time they were writing like hell. And most of the songs on the 2004 Box Set I guess were from that period respectively from 1994 - 1996. So that's a thing I could imagine.
With Crush and Bounce enough outtakes were given out. And with the albums not having that status like the old ones I don't think there are any plans. And with all records afterwards I don't think they even recorded (many) demos. Sometime between Have A Nice Day and The Circle I remember reading an interview with Richie about their way of working these days and he said that they know what makes a good song so they directly record the songs without doing demos and production demos and stuff like that. And I think we all agree that one can hear that. If they had taken a little more time working on those songs...

All excellent points but there is still a ton of stuff out there. If they fall short on some albums they could make it up with live stuff.

Faceman 08-29-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1181540)
If they fall short on some albums they could make it up with live stuff.

Thank you, I agree with that ;)

Grantos1 08-30-2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1181536)
But I don't believe in another outtake-album. Because I don't believe there are too many demos in appropriate quality left.

Wasn't Out of Bounds on the box set a SWW outtake that no one had heard of before the box set was released? There's probably a few more tracks that they have kept unreleased for a SWW deluxe edition / other box set.

Rdkopper 08-30-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Grantos1 (Post 1181557)
Wasn't Out of Bounds on the box set a SWW outtake that no one had heard of before the box set was released? There's probably a few more tracks that they have kept unreleased for a SWW deluxe edition / other box set.

I think that no one knew 90% of those songs in the Box Set existed and I think there are more songs in that vault that know one knows exist.... Especially the period between the first album through Slippery.

Grantos1 09-01-2014 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1181563)
I think that no one knew 90% of those songs in the Box Set existed and I think there are more songs in that vault that know one knows exist.... Especially the period between the first album through Slippery.

I think they knew there was a chance that a Slippery or New jersey deluxe edition with demos would be released, thus the lack of tracks on the boxset.

Ghostorm 09-02-2014 12:43 PM

I'd love SWW Deluxe Edition with the second disc full of known and unknown demos :).

Grantos1 09-06-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostorm (Post 1181602)
I'd love SWW Deluxe Edition with the second disc full of known and unknown demos :).

Surprised they didn't release this instead of New Jersey, maybe still a chance they're going to release it this year

rolo_tomachi 10-21-2014 07:58 PM

We know nothing of the other special project? :mad:

Rdkopper 10-22-2014 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182791)
We know nothing of the other special project? :mad:

If more people purchased it instead of stealing it, we would probably have something by now.

Unfortunately, I think that New Jersey will be the first and last.

Good job everyone. Way to support your band.

Captain_jovi 10-22-2014 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1182809)
If more people purchased it instead of stealing it, we would probably have something by now.

Unfortunately, I think that New Jersey will be the first and last.

Good job everyone. Way to support your band.

Are you really guilt tripping the board over this?

This is exactly what I said would happen, there is no interest in a project like this especially not in today's economy. I said they'd be better off not spending so much on packaging and special pictures and blah blah blah but you had said you wanted the big glossy release and finish. This was just never going to sell.

Ghostorm 10-22-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1182809)
If more people purchased it instead of stealing it, we would probably have something by now.

Unfortunately, I think that New Jersey will be the first and last.

Good job everyone. Way to support your band.

Did you buy a physical copy of NJ Deluxe or have you stolen it?

nickolai 10-22-2014 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1182809)
If more people purchased it instead of stealing it, we would probably have something by now.

Unfortunately, I think that New Jersey will be the first and last.

Good job everyone. Way to support your band.

What constitutes to stealing it? People have been stealing music for years (doesn't make it right i know). But I get all my stuff off Spotify. Not arsed about all the glossy shite and pictures. All that stuff will always be available online soon enough.

They really should have spend all that effort on content. Gone into the vaults, released a triple box set a Remastered full show on DVD. Hammersmith etc. Given us all something that we'd be literally trippin' over for years. But what was released wasn't much of a surprise, and what was released didn't sound great either

rolo_tomachi 10-22-2014 12:49 PM

Funny how blames piracy to justify that probably there will be more special edition as the latter. Let's be honest, many lesser known bands that Bon Jovi remaster their albums every so often with better unreleased material, other artists are getting very juicy box set en these times, both physical, on vinyl and digital download format.

You blame the fans for not buy New Jersey for sixth time, but that's not the real problem. Jon has become very stingy releasing material from the past, he no longer treats fans as generously as 10 years ago, so if Jon does not give a shit about their fans, no wonder that turn their back occasionally.

Rdkopper 10-22-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182818)
Funny how blames piracy to justify that probably there will be more special edition as the latter. Let's be honest, many lesser known bands that Bon Jovi remaster their albums every so often with better unreleased material, other artists are getting very juicy box set en these times, both physical, on vinyl and digital download format.

You blame the fans for not buy New Jersey for sixth time, but that's not the real problem. Jon has become very stingy releasing material from the past, he no longer treats fans as generously as 10 years ago, so if Jon does not give a shit about their fans, no wonder that turn their back occasionally.

All very true. I'm just bitter and feel like blaming someone. The fact still remains that we are less then 1% of fans out there so whatever the problem is, it's much bigger that the people here.

rolo_tomachi 10-22-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1182821)
All very true. I'm just bitter and feel like blaming someone. The fact still remains that we are less then 1% of fans out there so whatever the problem is, it's much bigger that the people here.

I know, and believe me, I'm nervous about not having more information about the next project, late October and still know nothing.

The only reason I bought this latest release of New Jersey was to have DVD Access All Areas, as contained subtitles in Spanish for the first time.

Jon could work a little more when it comes to making a real gift to the fans, I think a new box set with 4 or 5 CDs and a DVD with a show from 80s, is something worth paying.

Anyway, I would be happy with new editions of Keep The Faith, Slippery When Wet and These Days for include unreleased songs as New Jersey Super Deluxe Edition.

Captain_jovi 10-22-2014 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182829)
I know, and believe me, I'm nervous about not having more information about the next project, late October and still know nothing.

The only reason I bought this latest release of New Jersey was to have DVD Access All Areas, as contained subtitles in Spanish for the first time.

Jon could work a little more when it comes to making a real gift to the fans, I think a new box set with 4 or 5 CDs and a DVD with a show from 80s, is something worth paying.

Anyway, I would be happy with new editions of Keep The Faith, Slippery When Wet and These Days for include unreleased songs as New Jersey Super Deluxe Edition.

The die hard fan base is so small, but it sounds like you're saying it didn't sell because it didn't have enough stuff? More stuff = higher price point = less accessible to an audience that's already pretty fragmented = even less sales.

rolo_tomachi 10-24-2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1182830)
The die hard fan base is so small, but it sounds like you're saying it didn't sell because it didn't have enough stuff? More stuff = higher price point = less accessible to an audience that's already pretty fragmented = even less sales.

know the limited editions?

http://www.alterbridgeboxset.com/
http://shop.afm-records.de/en/alter-...e-box-set.html

This is a great 10th anniversary celebration. Imagine 30th anniversary.

nickolai 10-24-2014 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182868)
know the limited editions?

http://www.alterbridgeboxset.com/
http://shop.afm-records.de/en/alter-...e-box-set.html

This is a great 10th anniversary celebration. Imagine 30th anniversary.

You're right, Rolio. A band the sheer size of Bon Jovi - we should be getting a lot lot more mid album. The best thing we've had by far is the Evening With sessions - which wasn't officially released, only leaked

Captain_jovi 10-24-2014 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182868)
know the limited editions?

http://www.alterbridgeboxset.com/
http://shop.afm-records.de/en/alter-...e-box-set.html

This is a great 10th anniversary celebration. Imagine 30th anniversary.

Yep, I'm aware of them but you're not grasping that Bon Jovi don't have the type of fanbase for a project like that. If they did then these items will be selling, not because it's stuff we already have.

rolo_tomachi 10-25-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1182872)
Yep, I'm aware of them but you're not grasping that Bon Jovi don't have the type of fanbase for a project like that. If they did then these items will be selling, not because it's stuff we already have.


These special releases make grow the fanbase, but Jon only cares about sold stadiums and attract a wider audience. In the end it comes down to wanting to do it or not.

Captain_jovi 10-25-2014 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1182907)
These special releases make grow the fanbase, but Jon only cares about sold stadiums and attract a wider audience. In the end it comes down to wanting to do it or not.

I've never met someone so consistently wrong. You're not grasping how basic business works.

I...I...never mind. Just never mind.


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