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i ve read there was a big dispute about how the song should be produced between jon and martin. jons version ended up in the album but when max martin was asked if he was wrong he stayed his ground and said if bj had done the song his way it was gonna be even bigger a single...who knows?
in this occasion i believe jon, jon likes writing with other composers and he mentions them in almost every occasion, in this occasion jon probably overstated this because he didnt want everyone to assume it wasnt their song...the guys have proved they are good songwriters, wanted is an excellent example...many people try to put down their skills without no proof...max martin probably helped desmond proved himself repeatedly to be asked back again and again but its my life was sth new and fresh mostly production and arrangment wise, it was simpler and to the point, it was nt sth they couldnt nail... ps. i ve read somewhere a jons interview where he said the opening riff for blaze of glory was written by aldo nova but was not gonna give him a writing credit cause blaze was his song...and i find it fair in a way, what i dont find fair is dry county having only one credited writer, jon and not richie...anyway... the song credentials are big discussion...one from u2...lyrics bono, music u2...while the band has stated that the guitar riff was daniels lanois, not the chords the riff...in a way every bands set its rules based on their own ways, profile, status etc |
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To make things clear for everybody, please let me explain my point: I never said Jon & Richie sucked as songwriters, I only underlined the true fact that their major hits were co-written with an outside songwriter. There's no shame about it, it's common practice and who says a band has to write their material alone?! Here we're talking about commercial success/sales, not about artistic quality. Sometimes the two overlap, sometimes they don't, no big deal! For example I think that many songs co-written by Richie for his solo albums are very beautifully written but they didn't have much commercial success. It's sad but it doesn't mean that the songs suck. The same with Jon's except that I'm really tired of his formula (his "life is tough but I'm strong and I'll make it through with you" and the likes). Quote:
And on the economic level, they wanted to equally share their earnings or else Bono and Edge who write most of the songs would have been a lot richer than Adam and Larry who don't. Because they are smart and clever and know that money is the main source of conflict, frustration coming from the difference in earnings is what causes a split-up in most cases... |
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I think all had a part to play, but I think Martin helped with the lyrics too. A Classic Rock Magazine from maybe 2000/2001 discussed this and Jon said something about one of the lyrics in It's My Life (I forget which one) and said (paraphrasing), "you have to give the kid credit, he did well". |
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You were trying to imply that Desmond and Max wrote all the hits and Jon just put his name on the credits. You acted like you had some proof of all that... Jon in the 80s and 90s was a true artist in all crafts. He was a brilliant writer, producer, singer, and musician. You could make a greatest hits out of songs that Jon wrote himself and another one from songs that Jon and Richie wrote together. Nothing has ever been stated about the levels of writing Jon added to a song in comparison to what outside writers added. And that was your initial point which I understood clearly and still believe it's complete garbage. |
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Wanted BOR Dry County Always Lay Your Hands On Me I'll Be There For You Living In Sin Blaze Never Say Goodbye These Days Hey God Thank You For Loving Me To name a few |
Note to self: don't feed the troll. :popcorn:
When you translate my "major (hits)" into "all" and my "CO-written" into "Desmond and Max wrote all the hits" to underline just 2 of your nonsense comments, it's clear you don't understand anything and thus it's impossible to communicate with you and have an adult conversation. Your problem, not mine, "bro". Have a nice day! http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_song...apn&ap=ask.com |
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BTY, here is your initial statement which is complete BS and you trying to discredit them as writers... "The funniest part is that their major hits were co-written with hit-maker/spin doctor Desmond Child. Jon's and Richie's parts in the writing process were minimal and yet... And Max Martin? Jon has always said that he just happened to be in the studio" Half their hits were written with Jon and Richie and half with Desmond (and other outside writers). Half their album fillers were written with Jon and Richie and half with Desmond (and other outside writers). Considering that Jon and Richie wrote hits on their own and their co-written hits sound similar, I would guess that they have a heavy hand in the writing process. I think Desmond added hooks and some lyrics but the bulk was a joint effort. Stop making crap up and be factual. If you don't know but think you have an idea or an opinion, state that. But don't make statements like "their major hits were co-written with hit-maker/spin doctor Desmond Child. Jon's and Richie's parts in the writing process were minimal and yet" without any proof |
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