Hi jovimates!!

Jon´s voice has been on the decline for many years now but it´s true that last seven years (more or less) it has been more acute.

The scar thing may or not may have to do with his chords´ surgery but if so I think he would have more than that been done as the things you have mentioned.

I see the "problem" in his voice more than just the sound itself. We all are not just a body but a mind too and wichever happens to any of both makes a change in the other. And it works in circle: vicious or virtuous. Obviously this case is a vicious circle: "my voice is getting thinner, then I won´t be able to reach all those notes". Repeat it in your mind through the years and for sure it will still be true but multiplied by ten. And the body will evolute in consonancy making the consequences stronger in vicious circle. No doubt that years make an impact too, but what makes the greatest impact is the belief that years will make an impact.

Although it´s a little sad the actual state of the voice I think that there´s a way out of the vicious circle into a virtuous one if the correct job is done with multiple specialists that can intervene in the wheels of the circle. Not that 1995´s voice would be back, but if there are 20 degrees of difference between 1995´s and nowadays´voice I think it is possible to get better at least 10, what could be 2012´s voice more or less.

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What a deep thought from the last neurone in the brain. The ultimate evidence of hope in mankind.

I'm no expert BUT I'd hazard a guess that 30 years of excessive touring , smoking and generally not looking after his Instrument caught up with him; one of the most difficult to sing back catalogues in the genre.

No amount of positive thinking will change that; it's gone.

Jon screaming "The Champ Is Here" sounds pretty promising.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cmo59Y8...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Jon also looks to genuinely enjoy his time working on the soul kitchen activities and being in business with his son. Music may still be a passion for him but it hasn't been a priority for some time now, and that's totally fine. Jon's always been a bit different than his peers, I never expected him to be Tommy Lee in his 60's, I think it's more that he evolved differently than what most of us had in mind but it is what it is.....

There was a few times he shouted etc and his voice held up considering he couldn't even talk the other day.

It's sad to see him the way he is. As people have said, he's 60 but his whole demeanor has changed drastically over the last few years. His confidence, swagger, and coolness have all gone.

He's like a shadow of the rock star we all loved.



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Maybe, of course. I don´t believe in absolute truths. I really think that if he REALLY WANTS it´s possible to get better by a long way. The problem is changing the state of mind, because not everybody is able to do that without the appropiate proffessional help, and eve if so.

I am not saying there isn´t any hard physical trouble, but the first step to cure something is wanting to get it because it isn´t enough to say or think "I want it"; it´s a really longer step that is growing as time goes by. There´s even the possibility that he doesn´t really want to get better because maybe in himself he knows his career is going to have a near end and that way is almost impossible to mentalize in anything.

But neither of us all can know anything about it and maybe the guy isn´t enough conscious of it in terms of the origin of the problem or maybe he knows.

If it were irreversible, in terms of medicine, neither him nor the company would reveal it at all if they want to capitalize on some new release with new music.

I don't get the theory that he's tried nothing to help his voice. I think that's a bunch of hooey. He gets slated for wanting to make much money and also for not taking care of his voice. It was absolutely oversaturation of the band from 2000-2013 but with that much money on the line, there's no he wasn't talking to doctors, trying to slow the decline and looking into procedures.

He hid the issues behind his confidence and smile for too long and now it's just blatantly obvious he can't sing anymore.

Yes, I think that the problem got worse little by little through the years with some ups and downs like many deseases, ande maybe right now it is chronicle.

I guess he can still sing much better than many of us but as a proffessional maybe he has called it a day. I suppose the box will be released in 2024 and maybe a last album but not soon and hopefully with Sambora´s comeback for the time. If such an album were possible I would see it in 2026. Enough time to recover a little and to have the appropiate talks.

It sounds like he's already written a dozen songs for a new album though so I still expect something by the end of 2024 at the very very latest in regards to an album.

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I don’t think waiting a couple years to let his voice recover a little is the way to go at this point. He didn’t tour at all in 2020/2021 and his voice didn’t recover at all. I just think it’s past the point where extremely long resting periods are gonna do any good. If anything he should probably try to squeeze as much out of it as possible in the nearer future (next few years), before it deteriorates even more.


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Yup. Two years of very few singing appearances to recover from 2019's whopping 26 shows. I get recovering when you're doing two days on, one day off, but 2019's shows had few dates where it was rarely two in a row.

if the surgery was vocal related then recovery and absence makes perfect sense... during the ping pong match jon yelled a couple of times as one other member mentioned and his voice held...he also made a comment that during his career he has been written off more than once but he always came back.. (for me this speaks volume regarding his motivation)

when did he say that?
recently?

I say 2026 but could be 2024 of course. I don´t see anything in this life as linear although many times the world would appear to run linear. I see things running in jumps more than in a line.

For example when many people hurts their low back and they suffer days or weeks and think they´re left many more days to recover, there´s usually a day when everything seems to have got better and the pain is almost gone.

Well it´s only an example and of course if a bone in the back is broken it doesn´t work as I have said obviously.

I expect Jon hasn´t got a "broken" cord or whatever and it´s an illness that when body and/or mind decides to heal everything gets better quickly.

I guess I have said the above maybe somewhat confused but the idea is that we don´t know what the disease, if any, it is, then neither can we guess if he can or can´t recover from it, but if he could, the recovery wouldn´t have to be linear at all.

What catches my attention the most is not Jon's voice... are his sad eyes.

little before the wining shot in the ping pong match

Good lord.

WTF is going on with the way he speaks?

https://youtu.be/rVw2pyyvUHA

«There is no change where there is no action” - Jon just uploaded this quote to his story. This combined with the previous quote he posted a week ago must have some deeper meaning, no? To me this has to be connected to his vocal problems and ‘not wanting to end this way’. It makes too much sense, but that’s maybe cause I want it to be. Anyway we’ll see, however his speaking voice has been a little shaky in recent times, which doesn’t support my claim. Maybe we’re in/looking too deep hmm

I'd still go for the "PR team posts random motivation quotes" theory with them full well knowing that we'd interpret anything we'd like to see into them :mrgreen:

I think so too haha I'm already sick of those "motivation quotes" actually :silly:

Bunbury´s from Héroes del Silencio already knows why he had his voice shut when in the scenery but not elsewhere

https://time.news/what-is-glycol-the...rom-the-stage/

It won´t be the case of Jon´s, I suppose, but we never know how near can the cause and solution of a problem be...

I was just watching this and I'm amazed at how good Paul Stanley sounds. He's 71, his voice was shot and now he sounds amazing.

https://youtu.be/9M0JSb1RoVk

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Hasn't it been all but confirmed he's lip-syncing huge chunks of songs?

It doesn't seem like that to me.

I can't speak for the Stern performance but he's catching a lot of flack for the amount of singing to a track the last few years. They had to tune their guitars a full step down starting in 2018ish.

From the mistake footage I've seen it's a mix of singing live and then a pre-recorded vocal then back to live. It's lead to some oopsie moments that gave it away over the last 3 or 4 years.

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And yet he is or he's either singing along to an autotuned backing track of himself.

I'd say you pointing out Paul Stanley as a great singer kinda illustrates why Bon Jovi still get away with the dreadful vocal performances. Most can't hear it nor detect it much like you can't hear it and detect it with Kiss.

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Paul Stanley mimes, it was even confirmed by their manager Doc McGhee, who calls this vocal enhancement.

https://youtu.be/GkApwK8U0t0

https://www.loudersound.com/news/kis...at-recent-show

He 100% mimes. I have seen them a couple of times in recent years and it is obvious. I also saw them in 2015 and he was not miming... his voice was horrific. I used to live around 2 blocks from the stadium and when I came home my wife was laughing at the wailing of Paul's voice coming downwind from the stadium. They use a live backing track, it is not even in doubt.

And by the way, it absolutely takes away from the experience. KISS are playing Monsters of Rock in Argentina in a couple of months. I am going to see Deep Purple, Helloween, and mostly Avantasia. I think Scorpians are on the bill too. KISS (I think) is headlining and I will be going home before their set.

My biggest question about Paul Stanley's "live" performances is when they tracked the vocal takes. He obviously sounds pretty good on them, but his voice has been shot for almost 15 years. He sounded perma-sore on the last two studio albums as well, but I doubt these takes pre-date these?

I guess they have just had him sing live and doctored the **** out the vocal. Possibly they took earlier vocals but I doubt it. No early than 2005 to 2010. He's the worst singer I have seen live (including 2017 JBJ).

To add to the general conversation. I went to see Judas Priest last year and Halford is using backing tracks too, even if he denies it. He was able to hit the high notes excellently on songs like Painkiller but could barely sing the verses of Breaking the Law or any of Living After Midnight.

I know that when Journey did this a few years ago when Steve Augeri was vocals they actually took the vocals from a previous DVD release. Maybe Kiss have just lifted these from a previous Live album or DVD? All that stuff will be multi-tracked, and was probably overdubbed anyways.

Alpha brings a point I didn't consider. If they started tuning down a full step a few tours ago, anything released/recorded pre-then would be in a different key. We might be at the point in technology where you can drop someone's vocals down and have it not have a whiff of that artificial sound though, I really don't know. Lord knows they have the money.

Safe to say the tempos have stayed the same since Tommy and Eric joined and it's been almost the same 18 or so songs since 2004 so there has to be plenty of shows to pull from before it went tops up.

Not sure. It's amazing what you can do in the studio nowadays though. The Def Leppard re-recordings they did a few years ago had Joe sounding exactly like he did in the 80s.

Miguel Bosé has had his voice shot for several years now.
He had visited doctors from everywhere and many specialities since the problem had started, but noone could find the reason and origin of such troubles.
Until he went to a doctor who told him the problem lied in a mollar and that taking it away his voice would come back.
And he was right.
Miguel has been recovering his voice and although he has still a hard job to do with speech therapist and others, he is expected to totally recover in a time.
Let´s remember he wasn´t almost capable of talking and that he seemed to have problems with lack of air.
And it hadn´t anything to do with lungs, nor vocal chords,...
It was "just" a mollar...

unfortunately I can't see any improvement in his voice

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cpybn7LMmgO/

Yikes. I think it's over.

We already know how his voice sounds live. Okay. Now I would like to know how his voice sounds in the studio, if he manages to record the songs correctly as he did with When We Were Us, Walls, Blood In The Water, Luv Can... we will still be able to enjoy what is new to come.

If Jon has recently written a song with Desmond....it means they're in the works on a new album. So let's see how Jon's voice holds up in the studio...as I said a long time ago (2017 maybe?) Jon's live voice doesn't work for me anymore, but on studio recordings he still does.

Came across this video btw:

Anyway, what if Jon is under a treatment atm and thus this is why the band hiatus?

Who knows, he also moved to Florida so..