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jovifan93 01-08-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by efpg0708 (Post 1159322)
Ok, first of all, I know that many of you will think: ok, he's making this up, I don't believe him. I'm not asking you to believe me, but here it goes:

My brother has a friend in California who has a lot of contacts with a lot of artists in the music industry. Last night, my brother invited him to have dinner with us in Miami, and we began talking about music. I asked him: do you know why did Richie leave and didn't come back ? His answer was:

"Yes. Drugs. He's full of it. He tried and wanted to come back, but Jon said no. He's not reliable anymore. He was missing rehearsals and stuff. So they kicked him out of the tour. "

Then I asked: is he ever coming back ?

"Unless he quits drugs, no."

That was his answer. Like I said, he's a very reliable source. This version of the story makes a lot of sense to me.

That's just a rehash of the same old rumors that have been spreading around for months, so even if your brother's friend was sincere about it, he may have just fallen victim to those rumors like so many other people did...

As someone already mentioned there is one reason why this cannot be true or Richie cannot have been fired, and that is because Jon wouldn't let a show like that Calgary (?) show happen, he would've made his decision, called Phil X and Phil would've been there from day one of the second leg. Period.

Fredrik 01-08-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159335)
Here is some info on Richie at the anti-drug event:

"@ShatterproofHQ: When @TheRealSambora showed up at an anti-drug forum in Stafford, NJ, people noticed. His support is very welcome." http://on.app.com/1cCRMks

And a short interview with Richie (and others) about it:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KycVBu4...A5U%26sns%3Dtw

He seems utterly lost when he speaks.

Beaky 01-08-2014 11:04 AM

Thank you for sharing.

I don't doubt that this has been a reason that has been put around, it's the party line but it just doesn't add up, for me.

Richie was SO clear and focused for AOTL and his public appearances for his album... he was completely non-enthused every time I saw him promoting WAN.

He weighed up the sacrifice, decided it wasn't worth it then left and spent time with his daughter. Plain and simple. There’s more to it – ie: he and Jon were not vibing and it clearly wasn’t a shock when it happened but this is more down to Richie being sober and thinking clearly than being doped up and not thinking at all.

rolo_tomachi 01-08-2014 11:54 AM

Everybody has a friend who knows someone who is trustworthy ... yes, of course.

JackieBlue 01-08-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1159325)
Without this sounding quite sick, I really hope this is the case. For so long people have put the blame on Jon and it's wound me up from day one. Yeah, we know he is a bit too much sometimes but if this is the case, then good on him. Richie should have learnt by now and after doing an album pretty much about all of this and how this was his 'release', the man is more stupid than I thought if he has gone back to all of this.

Jon had every right to kick him out. A lot of you may think drugs is rock 'n' roll but Bon Jovi aren't anymore and maybe this is part of the reason Jon has kind of give up on Richie? You know, if they will still in the 80's era but 30 years on and like this, maybe he wouldn't care as much. I don't know but if this is true, then I have even more praise for Jon and even less for Richie.

I apologize in advance, both for being blunt and for pulling the age card; but if you truly meant to say that you would rather someone have a substance abuse problem than for your hero to be blamed for a part he may (or may not) have played in a difficult situation, then not only does it sound sick, it also sounds like you have a lot of growing up to do.

Furthermore, it makes you sound quite gullible in your haste to grab onto anything to absolve Jon; because this story, true or not, has been around the block a few times, based on nothing more than speculation from those on the outside looking in.

Not to discredit the person who posted, or his friend, but rumors circulate in the music industry just as they do on message boards. This sounds like a rehash of the same story that Randi Reed posted in her "professional" blog. Maybe the friend in this account runs in the same circles. The only thing in his story that even remotely lines up with the precious little that has been said by, or attributed to, Jon or Richie is the possible idea that Richie wanted to go back but Jon was making it difficult; and even that was questioned because of the tabloid source.

If I were you, I think I'd wait for something a little more concrete to use as back up for any nanny-nanny-boo-boo-ing you want to do.

CKatz 01-08-2014 03:26 PM

Alice Cooper loved the lineup of his recent New Years Eve show so much, he wants to do a tour with them:

http://ow.ly/snGC2

That would be amazing, if they all agree to do it.

efpg0708 01-08-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1159336)
That's just a rehash of the same old rumors that have been spreading around for months, so even if your brother's friend was sincere about it, he may have just fallen victim to those rumors like so many other people did...

As someone already mentioned there is one reason why this cannot be true or Richie cannot have been fired, and that is because Jon wouldn't let a show like that Calgary (?) show happen, he would've made his decision, called Phil X and Phil would've been there from day one of the second leg. Period.

Just to clear things up: I asked him why didn't Richie came back, not why he left before the Calgary show. He left for personal reasons, we all know that. But he was supposed to leave for one leg, not the whole tour. And this guy said that he didn't come back because of drugs.

And Rolo: I have no business playing monkey business here. I just wanted to share something that I thought would be interesting for you guys. But , just like so many times before, when someone says something about your superhero that not includes praising him, you behave like a child. Like I said, I'm not asking you to believe me. If you don't, fine, no need to behave like a crying baby. Grow up and take you Richie glasses off, so you can discuss things like an adult.

CKatz 01-08-2014 05:46 PM

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But he was supposed to leave for one leg, not the whole tour.
That's not true either.
Jon said more than once that Richie needs to get back to work and there is a seat beside him on the plane. He also said Richie was never fired, Richie just left. And now nobody knows if or when he'll be back. Jon and Richie have only recently started communicating again.

The person you talked to is just repeating old stories he read in tabloids. Why repeat something that was debunked a long time ago by the two who actually know? We already know what happened, they told us. It just isn't scandalous enough for some, I guess.

jovifan93 01-08-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159343)
That's not true either.
Jon said more than once that Richie needs to get back to work and there is a seat beside him on the plane. He also said Richie was never fired, Richie just left. And now nobody knows if or when he'll be back. Jon and Richie have only recently started communicating again.

The person you talked to is just repeating old stories he read in tabloids. Why repeat something that was debunked a long time ago by the two who actually know? We already know what happened, they told us. It just isn't scandalous enough for some, I guess.

Well said.

Captain_jovi 01-09-2014 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1159349)
garbage.. he had enough of jovi!!! simple as.. cant anyone see it? he doesnt wanna come back to pop jovi & if his on drugs why is he playing with alice cooper,stevie wonder. etc?????? musicians & legends would avoid anyone on drugs & dont get given the breaks...

All of what you said makes very little sense.

JoviJovi 01-09-2014 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159341)
Alice Cooper loved the lineup of his recent New Years Eve show so much, he wants to do a tour with them:

http://ow.ly/snGC2

That would be amazing, if they all agree to do it.

The great would come in when Richie actually completes the commitment.

Spidey5150 01-09-2014 03:31 AM

Lean on Me in Maui: Richie & Orianthi


Javier 01-09-2014 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey5150 (Post 1159358)
Lean on Me in Maui: Richie & Orianthi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2w8h...=youtube_gdata

Damn! That really is one of Richie's favorite songs!! He's been playing it everywhere!! :lol:

That said, really cool moment, and Orianthi rocks!!! it almost looked like Richie had to step up his game for a slight moment there at the beginning! :D

steel_horse75 01-09-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159341)
Alice Cooper loved the lineup of his recent New Years Eve show so much, he wants to do a tour with them:

http://ow.ly/snGC2

That would be amazing, if they all agree to do it.

well Richies face looks melted these days so him and Alice would look great together....but hang on - Richie dont want to tour...he has a daughter dont you know!!!

steel_horse75 01-09-2014 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey5150 (Post 1159358)
Lean on Me in Maui: Richie & Orianthi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2w8h...=youtube_gdata

Try as he might Richie is no frontman. Dont have the presence.

Beaky 01-09-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1159370)
Try as he might Richie is no frontman. Dont have the presence.

Hate to say it but Jon isn't exactly a frontman anymore either... a quick flash of pearly whites and some shoulder bobbing and Richie will be up there with the best, eh... ;-)

CKatz 01-09-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1159369)
well Richies face looks melted these days so him and Alice would look great together....but hang on - Richie dont want to tour...he has a daughter dont you know!!!

Technically, it's just Bon Jovi that he doesn't want to leave his daughter for.
Doing a small tour with legendary preformers like Cooper, Tyler etc. might be worth it to him. It's an exciting idea and the chemistry between them must have been great.

liljovi93 01-09-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1159340)
I apologize in advance, both for being blunt and for pulling the age card; but if you truly meant to say that you would rather someone have a substance abuse problem than for your hero to be blamed for a part he may (or may not) have played in a difficult situation, then not only does it sound sick, it also sounds like you have a lot of growing up to do.

Furthermore, it makes you sound quite gullible in your haste to grab onto anything to absolve Jon; because this story, true or not, has been around the block a few times, based on nothing more than speculation from those on the outside looking in.

Not to discredit the person who posted, or his friend, but rumors circulate in the music industry just as they do on message boards. This sounds like a rehash of the same story that Randi Reed posted in her "professional" blog. Maybe the friend in this account runs in the same circles. The only thing in his story that even remotely lines up with the precious little that has been said by, or attributed to, Jon or Richie is the possible idea that Richie wanted to go back but Jon was making it difficult; and even that was questioned because of the tabloid source.

If I were you, I think I'd wait for something a little more concrete to use as back up for any nanny-nanny-boo-boo-ing you want to do.

Why? I didn't say I want him to die. I didn't say I want him to have a huge overdose. I didn't say anything of the sort. He may just be high as hell on weed, I don't know. What I do know (and I run a Bon Jovi page, by the way) is that SO many fans from day one put all the blame on Jon. Before they even knew the story, it was all about 'Jon forced him out', 'The CEO is too much work for Richie' when from day one, I supported Jon. Richie HAD a commitment to do so even if they had a huge falling out, Richie should still be on tour. Other bands have fell out but done their job. The man is a liabilty and has been for a while now.

Who cares if Richie wanted to go back, by the way? He shouldn't be able to pick a certain time when to go back. He bailed out on everyone. Not just the band, everyone. At least Jon stood his ground and said 'no', for whatever reason that might be. I want Richie back with the band, of course I do, he is one of the reasons I love Bon Jovi, but he needs to get his act together. Whether it be over drugs, whether it be over his input or whether it be about his dedication to the band. He needs to sort himself out. He has the opportunity to speak to whoever he wants now that the tour is over and Richie should make the first move.

CKatz 01-09-2014 10:45 AM

Jon never stood his ground and said "no". Richie left and didn't return.

Beaky 01-09-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159374)
Jon never stood his ground and said "no". Richie left and didn't return.

Unless you are Jon or Richie, you don't actually know that.

No one knows ANYTHING apart from what we're told and from there, it's what we choose to believe. Here are my facts, as only I see them...

1. RS bailed when he should have refused to tour in the first place. He's a tart.

2. WAN is an embarrassing collection of over-the-hill pap and the fact that Jon thinks it's relevant makes him look like a total bell end.

3. Jon's voice sucks and he's lost virtually all of his stage presence.

Beyond that... I'm guessing and so are you.

CKatz 01-09-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1159375)
Unless you are Jon or Richie, you don't actually know that.

No one knows ANYTHING apart from what we're told and from there, it's what we choose to believe. Here are my facts, as only I see them...

1. RS bailed when he should have refused to tour in the first place. He's a tart.

2. WAN is an embarrassing collection of over-the-hill pap and the fact that Jon thinks it's relevant makes him look like a total bell end.

3. Jon's voice sucks and he's lost virtually all of his stage presence.

Beyond that... I'm guessing and so are you.

Jon telling Richie "no" would be the same as firing him from the tour. Jon denies this.
I agree 100% with the rest you said.

Beaky 01-09-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159376)
Jon telling Richie "no" would be the same as firing him from the tour. Jon denies this.
I agree 100% with the rest you said.

Well, no... it would be Jon not letting Richie BACK on the tour because RS had bailed... a big difference and totally understandable.

In Jon's position, I would have given Sambora a certain amount of time before I thought, 'screw you, you're not coming back and playing the hero... '

liljovi93 01-09-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159374)
Jon never stood his ground and said "no". Richie left and didn't return.

Says who? Richie himself said he would be back September time and wasn't.

We've heard numerous times now that Richie tried to get back on tour but Jon said 'no'

Kathleen 01-09-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1159378)
Says who? Richie himself said he would be back September time and wasn't.

We've heard numerous times now that Richie tried to get back on tour but Jon said 'no'

I don't think that Richie ever gave a firm date. It was pretty much left up in the air as "we will see how it goes". It's possible that I missed a video with Richie being definite but considering how closely I followed this (yes I wanted Richie back), I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1159373)
but he needs to get his act together. Whether it be over drugs, whether it be over his input or whether it be about his dedication to the band. He needs to sort himself out. He has the opportunity to speak to whoever he wants now that the tour is over and Richie should make the first move.

And this is where I agree with you.

Passionflower 01-09-2014 06:56 PM

Richie, Alice Cooper, Orianthi "Foxy Lady"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6DL_...ure=youtu.be&a

liljovi93 01-10-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1159382)
I don't think that Richie ever gave a firm date. It was pretty much left up in the air as "we will see how it goes". It's possible that I missed a video with Richie being definite but considering how closely I followed this (yes I wanted Richie back), I don't think so.



And this is where I agree with you.

He did. The first video (I think) of him talking about the band, he said he would be back in September. I'll have a look for it on YouTube.

liljovi93 01-10-2014 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1159429)
He did. The first video (I think) of him talking about the band, he said he would be back in September. I'll have a look for it on YouTube.


You are right, Kathleen. It was never a 'firm date' but he does say here that it's very close. So I wonder why it never happened? He had 2/3 months from that interview to get everything sorted and it didn't happen.

joloriquelme 01-10-2014 12:41 AM

While I see the Richie, Alice Cooper and Orianthi videos, I think:

Why the WAN record (and Tour) actually happened?

Why Sambora couldn't rest of the band and have his solo couple years? He seems happy and relaxed, doing whatever he wants. He earned the right to do that.

This crysis is actually Jon's fault.

liljovi93 01-10-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by joloriquelme (Post 1159432)
While I see the Richie, Alice Cooper and Orianthi videos, I think:

Why the WAN record (and Tour) actually happened?

Why Sambora couldn't rest of the band and have his solo couple years? He seems happy and relaxed, doing whatever he wants. He earned the right to do that.

This crysis is actually Jon's fault.

Yeah, all Jon's fault. I'm sure he tied Richie up and forced him to agree to this.

Come on, Richie didn't lose his voice on the day Jon said he wanted this album and tour. Richie has a voice, surely he has the balls to say 'no' to Jon. He did it in the middle of the tour so I'm sure he could of at the start...

DestinationJovi 01-10-2014 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1159373)
Who cares if Richie wanted to go back, by the way? He shouldn't be able to pick a certain time when to go back. He bailed out on everyone. Not just the band, everyone. At least Jon stood his ground and said 'no', for whatever reason that might be.

But to the press Jon claimed he was welcome back anytime.

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“I love the man to death,” Bon Jovi says of his longtime songwriting partner. “He’s always going to be the guitar player in the band. He’s not been fired. There’s been no fight. There’s been none of that initial TMZ story about money or anything. He’s going through — all I can tell you — personal issues. And as soon as he works them out, he’s got a seat on the plane next to me.”

Bon Jovi uses the opportunity to deliver a personal message to Sambora: “The door’s open. You’re welcome back. We love you.”
http://www.freep.com/article/2013071...-field-sambora

JoviJovi 01-10-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1159372)
Technically, it's just Bon Jovi that he doesn't want to leave his daughter for.
Doing a small tour with legendary preformers like Cooper, Tyler etc. might be worth it to him. It's an exciting idea and the chemistry between them must have been great.

I think he would need those big names if he wants to tour if sales for the charity show he is doing tomorrow are any indication. Looks like the venue is 500 seats and there are still 240 tickets available.

DestinationJovi 01-11-2014 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1159849)
I think he would need those big names if he wants to tour if sales for the charity show he is doing tomorrow are any indication. Looks like the venue is 500 seats and there are still 240 tickets available.

How would sales from this show be any indication at all? He's appearing with 9+ other performers so he's play 1? Maybe 2 songs? He was also added to the bill just 3 days ago. Sales from his failed Aftermath tour would be an indication but not this.

golittleperson 01-11-2014 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1159852)
How would sales from this show be any indication at all? He's appearing with 9+ other performers so he's play 1? Maybe 2 songs? He was also added to the bill just 3 days ago. Sales from his failed Aftermath tour would be an indication but not this.

He was added to the posters from MM before the Christmas holiday, But that's not that big of a deal as when I just checked VIP is sold out - that's 1/2 of the venue rows 1-8. Only 16 deep and I don't see how anyone could tell how many are left unless you tried to order 100? I think the venue holds about 500. I'll try to post a pic of the room. Not sold out but I'd be surprised if it didn't. MM has a pretty large support group. Luke Ebbin tweeted a few days ago that the AMOL band was together, so I suspect they will do several songs. Wish I could be there to give a live report.,:) This does have per twitter some going and traveling way out of my budget just for Richie but it's also a solid/reputable charity and that will draw some people regardless of the performers. The performance is also being held at the Hollywood Musical institute so you know students will go as it was originally promoted as a group of the greatest guitarists. I hope it sells out.

JoviJovi 01-11-2014 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1159855)
He was added to the posters from MM before the Christmas holiday, But that's not that big of a deal as when I just checked VIP is sold out - that's 1/2 of the venue rows 1-8. Only 16 deep and I don't see how anyone could tell how many are left unless you tried to order 100? I think the venue holds about 500. I'll try to post a pic of the room. Not sold out but I'd be surprised if it didn't. MM has a pretty large support group. Luke Ebbin tweeted a few days ago that the AMOL band was together, so I suspect they will do several songs. Wish I could be there to give a live report.,:) This does have per twitter some going and traveling way out of my budget just for Richie but it's also a solid/reputable charity and that will draw some people regardless of the performers. The performance is also being held at the Hollywood Musical institute so you know students

will go as it was orwiginally promoted as a group of the greatest guitarists. I hope it sells out.

If you go to the ticket page and pull down the menu for the number of tickets you want, the number it goes up to is the number of tickets left.

golittleperson 01-11-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1159862)
If you go to the ticket page and pull down the menu for the number of tickets you want, the number it goes up to is the number of tickets left.

Thanks, learn something everyday. I really hope it sells out, not just for RS but for the mission. It's a shame his "home town" doesn't seem to show him the love he gets in other places - even before this years events. He can come back to the East coast any time by me - but he'll never leave LA as long as Ava has actress/model/LA dreams.

Passionflower 01-12-2014 02:50 PM

Richie and Orianthi playing Wanted during soundcheck

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

and here is a teaser of the performance but they cut it off right after Richie's guitar solo starts:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...type=2&theater

rolo_tomachi 01-12-2014 04:18 PM

She is Orianthi

https://scontent-a-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/...15612390_n.jpg

With Steve Vai Voodoo Child Stairway to Heaven Solo

Spidey5150 01-12-2014 05:02 PM

She's amazing. I bought her album and Bon Jovi's album just prior to a road trip last March. They came out the same day. I think part of what contributed to my extreme disliking of WAN was how much her album kicked it's ass. Great talent. Killer guitarist.

As for last night's benefit, I've yet to stumble upon any videos but through her Twitter I'm hearing it was a 50 minute set. Played Wanted, Undiscovered Soul, Seven Years Gone, among others obviously. Hopefully we'll get to see/hear them all soon!

GabrielC 01-12-2014 05:34 PM

Undiscovered Soul? Really?

foxli 01-12-2014 09:13 PM

Setlist:
Taking A Chance, Lean On Me, Heaven Help Us(short)/Stranger, 7 Years Gone, Midnight Rider(short)/Wanted, Prayer

Great show and chemistry with Orianthi.


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