Jovitalk - Bon Jovi Fan Community - No Richie on current leg of the tour

If it had no impact it wouldn't keep changing to something the fans would get into more. Look at the Circle tour.

Homebound Train - Lay Your Hands On Me - Lay Your Hands with extended jam. The crowd wasn't going for the lesser known song so they switched it. When Jon does a song no one knows it creates a lull and he has to win them back over, same with Richie but it's double as hard because people see it as a reason to leave their seats for a bit.

I'm just saying this as a fan who's noticed things, the massive moment of feet when Richie sings is disheartening.

All valid points. Especially since Richie's solo the past two tours always occurred right before Jon went onto the circle stage for the ballad lull. I don't think the song placement in the setlist would change fans using it as a bathroom break, but it would make it easier on Jon to win the crowd back over if it wasn't before Make a Memory or Amen.

All that aside, I think we're making a bigger deal about it than Richie probably ever did. I'm sure he would've enjoyed performing one of his own songs, but I just don't see him walking off the tour because of it.

foxli

01-24-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1160785)

You have evidence of it looking like Jon wanted Richie to sing the second verse of Wanted but he refused? When Jon wants him to sing it he nods his head towards the mic after the crowd sings the first verse. Jon did that once the first leg (in Atlanta) and Richie sang it. There was no other show Jon nodded his head for Richie to sing it.

In hindsight, watching this video from Richie's last show it does not appear there is anything wrong. He does not look like a guy who has checked out and doesn't want to be on tour. He also does not look like he has any issue with Jon. I mean, watch the end. There was no sign at all of what was to come.

http://youtu.be/0Ys16HnXYJ4

No, I have no evidence. My impression was, after Atlanta, Richie made sure he was too far away from Jon/the mic stand plus that there's no eye contact with Jon. Hence Jon had to do the second verse.

I haven't been at any of those shows during the first leg and I must say, apart from this solo-song-thing and only watching YT vids, I haven't seen any signs of issues either.

Captain_jovi

01-24-2014 10:35 PM

Hah, just realized now Sean Borg blocked me from ever following him on Twitter. Wow.

Becky

01-24-2014 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1160856)

Hah, just realized now Sean Borg blocked me from ever following him on Twitter. Wow.

I'd take that as a complement. You're way cooler than he is anyway.

Panda

01-26-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1160905)

Jon always put the eye on what makes Bono with U2. A few days ago this interesting article about Bono and his great work as CEO was published.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/business-...his-rock-star/

I think Jon should read this article and take some notes about leadership.

1. Don't understand why this was posted in the Richie thread

2. Jon cares about money, not well being of others.

rolo_tomachi

01-26-2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1160906)

1. Don't understand why this was posted in the Richie thread

2. Jon cares about money, not well being of others.

Because if Jon would have been better leader, maybe Richie had not left the tour.

TwinFan

01-26-2014 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1160907)

Because if Jon would have been better leader, maybe Richie had not left the tour.

Maybe if Jon would've given Richie macaroni and cheese before every show, he wouldn't have left either. But you don't see me posting articles about Kraft or Velveeta run their companies in this thread, do you?

No.

rolo_tomachi

01-26-2014 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1160909)

Ok. You Win.

SadieLady

01-26-2014 01:51 AM

I'm not a fan of Bono's music but find the article interesting. If there is a thread on Jon as a CEO, that would be a good place to put this and discuss. I also enjoy Ruth Blatt's articles in Forbes about musicians and business practices and I follow her on Twitter--some insightful stuff.

nickolai

01-28-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1160907)

Because if Jon would have been better leader, maybe Richie had not left the tour.

oh my god, you are like a broken record.

MrNickel

02-01-2014 07:28 PM

Has this thread finally died ? :confused:

rolo_tomachi

02-03-2014 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrNickel (Post 1161323)

Has this thread finally died ? :confused:

NEVER.

Super party in Sambora house.
http://oi59.tinypic.com/dgi0ds.jpg
With Nik West and Orianthi.
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2wdynow.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/sbu32d.jpg
:)

united17

02-03-2014 03:11 PM

Orianthi is hot but she looks better with the hat on.

malcyc

02-06-2014 07:34 AM

Australian dates announced

Most of them festivals and a couple solo shows.

http://richiesambora.com/2014/02/ric...-to-australia/

jovifan93

02-06-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by united17 (Post 1161418)

Orianthi is hot but she looks better with the hat on.

I wonder if there's something goin' on between Richie and Orianthi - after all, she seems like a perfect fit for his choice of girlfriends...

jovigirloz

02-06-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1161543)

I wonder if there's something goin' on between Richie and Orianthi - after all, she seems like a perfect fit for his choice of girlfriends...

Umm, no she is nothing like his typical choice

jovifan93

02-06-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jovigirloz (Post 1161545)

Umm, no she is nothing like his typical choice

Well, she's blonde ;-)

JoviJovi

02-06-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1161543)

I wonder if there's something goin' on between Richie and Orianthi - after all, she seems like a perfect fit for his choice of girlfriends...

She kind of reminds me of Janice from the muppets. She seems far too together and independent to be Richie's type.

rolo_tomachi

02-08-2014 04:22 PM

Richie Interview ► 22nd Annual Movieguide Awards Gala Red Carpet Arrivals at Universal Hilton in Los Angeles, February 7, 2014.

Richie Sambora Interview ? 2014 Movieguide Awards...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...84468369_n.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/i405dz.jpg

Richie Sambora at the 22nd Annual Movieguide...

http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram...cf60fc3d_8.jpg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/R...AZnw3Z8mQl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/R...kUVaptSFyl.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/R...tLfTHpVO5l.jpg

ezearis

02-10-2014 08:49 PM

Jon said in an interview that came out on Billboard Argentina that he and Richie sent themselves some emails because "you have to keep the business going", so at least they're talking now. Also, he discarted any new album or tour in the short notice.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...87442253_n.jpg

rolo_tomachi

02-10-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1161818)

Thanks for this. The Business ... Shit.

ezearis

02-10-2014 09:51 PM

I translated those two questions with their respective answers:

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This tour has had his problems. Tico Torres' health issues and the fact that Richie Sambora left the tour who knows why, but his band-mates continued. How hard it was?

The story here, and I'm being honest, and I've been being honest since then, is that Sambora left for personal reasons. And he's going to have to face the press someday and decide what he wants to say. Really, we never fired him. We don't even consider him fired right now. But if you get a call in the show number 21 and you're told "I'm not going" and it's 3:30 PM, when you stopped being just a band member and became a man who's name is on the marquee... You have a commitment with 20.000 persons, a tour team that has all they year planned, a record, and a company -AEG- who's counting on you, and fans that traveled all over the world to get there, to be there that night. And the same we did in the show 21 and in the show 97, we keep on doing. There're people that thinks that being in a band it's a commitment for life, but some decide not to take part of it, and that's OK, is their prerogative. I'm not mad with Richie because of that. There were no fights. In fact, we emailed each other last week. That's the truth of the story. We have to keep the business running.

Are you actually writing? There's more fuel for a new record and all that comes with it?

Not these days. I can assure you that. I need to turn off the engine for a while so I can catch my breath, recharge batteries and get back in the game. Mick Jagger will always be my role model. And until he doesn't put the "Retired" banner, I won't know when is the moment to do it. I'll keep on kicking the ball until Jagger says "we are for the gol area".

Edit:

Also, these are interesting as he speaks about the setlists, something we criticize a lot here:

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[...]There're times when one wants to play the dark songs of the album all night, but there're those guys that want to hear the greatest hits. The song list this tour has been a shorter than in previous tours. I know well why and it's not typical of me to do it. I used to be proud and say "We played 100 songs on the last tour" and when you have a 28 years old band it's easy to do it. But because of what we've been through this year, the setlist was restricted. And then one thinks: "well, there's a new generation hearing the band for the ferst time". If you're in a stadium you must play the hits. [...]

You toured almost all the world this year. Do you adapt the shows depending the musical culture of the place where you're playing?

Yes, sure, most of it, definitively, in Europe we offer a different show than the one we give in the United States. The European crowd pays more attention to the verses, while the north-american pays more attention to the chorus. We must apply that everywhere we go. There're albums that will be more important in an X place than in an Y place.

He also said that he can't see anything (and that's a bad sign), that he likes more playing on closed venues than in stadiums, and that Italy was great and South America fantastic, "South America is always worth it".

I won't translate everything as is really long and it's pretty hard to write with the cast in my hand.

rolo_tomachi

02-10-2014 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1161826)

Mick Jagger will always be my role model.

Of course, that explains a lot.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/ne...le-in-new-book

Richards, 66, who met Jagger at the age of four, says he has not stepped foot in Jagger's dressing room in 20 years.

"It was the beginning of the Eighties when Mick started to become unbearable," Richards writes in the memoir, "Life," which brought him an advance of 4.8 million pounds ($7.7 million) after a massive bidding war among publishers.

Richards and Jagger were two of the Stones' founding members in 1962 and wrote its hit songs, leading the group to sales of more than 200 million albums worldwide.

"Sometimes I think: 'I miss my friend,'" Richards writes. "I wonder: 'where did he go?'"

But Richards told the Times that his bandmate had read the book and wanted to take out only one thing -- a reference to Jagger using a voice coach.

Richards refused, saying: "I'm trying to say the truth here."

He added about Jagger: "We've had our beefs but, hey, who doesn't? You try and keep something together for 50 years," adding the band was considering going on tour again.

"I think it's going to happen. I've had a chat with ... Her Majesty. Brenda."

Richie should write his memoirs with Bon Jovi.

semigoodlookin

02-11-2014 03:32 PM

"There were no fights. In fact, we emailed each other last week. That's the truth of the story. We have to keep the business running."

He´s making two different points. Keeping the business running is resuming why he kept the tour running, not why emailed Richie.

Anyway, great post and I like what he says, whether it is true or not I don´t know, but I think he´s right for the most part.

Robd788

02-11-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1161956)

Yeah he is. I also get the impression that Richie has not disclosed all the reasons why and that he may have to at some point

Dave88

02-11-2014 08:46 PM

New radio interview with Richie, he says his return with the band "remains to be seen":

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/2014-4bc...l#.Uvp6tYWGeXr

JackieBlue

02-14-2014 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1161826)

I won't translate everything as is really long and it's pretty hard to write with the cast in my hand.

Thanks for translating and posting this, ezearis. Much appreciated. :)

Off-topic I know, but why is your hand in a cast?

IML88

02-14-2014 10:11 AM

Its little wonder WAN and its accompanying tour were one of the more mediocre things the band have done. They need to get back to treating this the right way. The words "CEO", "Business", and "Work" have no place when referring to a rock n roll band.

How can a band release good work when they are hashing out underwhelming material and performances just to keep the brand alive. I know once a band becomes as big as Bon Jovi there is a certain inevitability that business has to come into it but let the label worry about that.

Until the members stop looking at this band like a 9-5 job we won't get any decent material.

Captain_jovi

02-20-2014 04:28 AM

https://soundcloud.com/harrytclarke/richie-sambora-wma Really good interview. Interesting points:

"THIS is more rock now"

Paraphrased but "They wanted to tour earlier then I did so I said go without me".

Doesn't regret his decision to leave the tour, he wasn't burnt out..

EDIT: He mentions "pacing" a LOT and goes back to why he left the tour numerous times, even when it's not brought up.

JoviJovi

02-20-2014 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1163293)

He didn't say go without me, he went then left, big difference. And so the "24/7 for 30 yrs" was just a bunch of bullshit.

Captain_jovi

02-20-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JoviJovi (Post 1163298)

He didn't say go without me, he went then left, big difference. And so the "24/7 for 30 yrs" was just a bunch of bullshit.

Pretty much yep. I mean at this point it's beating a dead horse but if he either said Go without me before tickets went on sale or left after the tour, no one would have real beef with it.

Iceman

02-20-2014 10:24 AM

Here's a very recent interview with Bruce Foster in which he also shares his views of his "little brothers" band and the problems. Listen from 21:29 onwards.

http://www.bravewords.com/news/218381

Ice

JackieBlue

02-20-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 1163344)

Thanks so much for posting this link, Iceman. Kinda paints our boy in a different light, doesn't it? And this from someone who knows the man personally and has talked with him about the situation.

Bill23

02-25-2014 03:10 PM

Will Richie make this (alleged) gig? I cant translate but apparently/allegedly a Nov Jovi concert in Brazil? I find this really hard to believe...wishful thinking on the promoter's end or whatever.

http://www.curtamais.com.br/curtamai...-2014-20140220

jon-flp

02-25-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill23 (Post 1164539)

Yeah, here in Brazil they're talking about Nov 6 or 7. They're the same promoter's that brought Elton John and Paul Mcartney. I don't think that's a troll thing, but we have to wait and see.

Dave88

02-25-2014 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill23 (Post 1164539)

On Twitter Matt has already denied these rumors.

Becky

03-01-2014 12:33 AM

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/n...thout-sambora/

I guess Richie thinks the world should stop spinning if he wants to get off for a while. Screw everyone else.

JackieBlue

03-01-2014 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1165444)

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/n...thout-sambora/

I guess Richie thinks the world should stop spinning if he wants to get off for a while. Screw everyone else.

Did we read the same article? Where did he say, or even imply that?

JoviJovi

03-01-2014 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1165457)

Did we read the same article? Where did he say, or even imply that?

Where he blatently said the tour should have stopped when he decided it wasn't something he felt like doing anymore, the whole real coke thing. Nice jab too about the Rolling Stones knowing that Jon uses them as the bar that has been set for longevity in the business.

Captain_jovi

03-01-2014 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1165457)

Did we read the same article? Where did he say, or even imply that?

He took a shot at Jon for continuing the tour he left last minute. How did you take it?

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