Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1172990)

What's Richie saying in the video about "??... Shannon wrote it before that and he did a lot better of a job with it"?? Is he taking a dig at how the song is a rip-off?? Weird Richie, weird.....

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1173020)

I wish they'd just say he's quit and that's that. Jon, Tico, and Dave and go on and be just fine without Richie and as long as Richie can hitch a ride on Orianthi's --or someone else's-- coattails he'll be fine too. He knew 30 years ago that Jon was a star and he wanted in on that and now he's found someone who's current to associate with. He'll never be a STAR on his own merits IMO. (Until he dies. Then critics will hail him as one of the greats.)

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173109)

Becky's theory that Richie might still be under some contract makes sense to me. (I don't agree with anything else she said though...lol) That is the only thing that explains why Richie just doesn't come out and say he quit.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173120)

Aloha !



I don't think he has the balls to quit. The contract he's under is probably rewarding on a financial level, but not on a creative one. He's been going on about how he didn't need to tour for the money, but once he realizes that his solo career just isn't happening (which honestly, it just isn't), he'll be going back to Bon Jovi because what else is he going to do? If he quits and then comes back, I'm sure some contractual details will be changed. But so far he's proven that apart from music, there's not much out there for him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173123)

he will always make money from the Bon Jovi catalogue and the merchandise whether he's still officially a part of the band or not.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173124)

Aloha !



That's usually not how it works. Once a band member officially leaves said band, he no longer gets a cut of the merchandise either. It's not like just because he recorded Prayer, he'll get a cut from every T-shirt sold with a Slippery When Wet album cover on it.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173126)

But what about the merchandise that has his likeness on it, or his music and lyrics?

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173127)

Aloha !



Just ask yourself, how many band shirts have his photo on it? Once he leaves, they won't put his face on the shirts anymore that's for sure. So he's got to rely on the older shirts, which are mostly skulls and then the band name. And just because a shirt says "These Days" it means nothing, it's a reference to the album, not to the lyric.

Sure, he might make a few dollars of every T-shirt he sells on his solo shows, but considering how about 400 people show up to every show, and how little merchandise is being sold I doubt it's that financially rewarding.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173129)

Good point. But I still don't think money is his main motivation. I also don't think there will be another Bon Jovi tour, unless it's a farewell tour. I don't think Richie will ever want to do a big year long tour ever again either. So I think that money well will run dry anyway.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173130)

Aloha !



Right now it isn't, he's got plenty. But he's been financing all these shows himself, he'll be lucky to break even. That well will eventually run dry. There's only so many times he'll be willing to ship an entire band + gear + staff over to Australia or Europe. Eventually, he'll realize that the 500 people he's playing for every few months aren't that rewarding anymore.

And considering the tours; I don't think anyone in the band will be doing a big year long tour again. No bands do nowadays, apart from Bon Jovi. Most bands play a month or 2 here, then have a month (or 2 off) and do another leg there. I still think that the only reason Jon's not doing it is just so he can reach the top of the Billboard Touring chart thing. Would he spread one album tour out over 2 years, there's no way he'd be on top as other, younger acts either do more shows or just make more money than him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173132)

I agree with your last point 100%. I'd also agree with your first point if Richie was trying to regularly do big solo tours. I don't think a handful shows every couple of years will hurt him. As far as I know, being a part of a music festival such as Soundwave doesn't hurt either.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173141)

Aloha !



The reason Richie isn't doing big solo shows, is because there's no demand for it anywhere but Europe, it seems. If he'd do an actual big solo tour, the actual costs per show would go down and he might just make some money with it, or actually break even. It's the handful shows he does in one year that'll cost him money. And with record sales going down the drain and his latest solo album completely tanking everywhere, it wouldn't surprise me if he had to finance his next studio album himself as well. He's probably got enough money to finance the next 4 album cycles himself, but there's just no way he can keep himself occupied with this stuff that no one but a select few die hards seem to care for.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1173081)

First of all, you make it sound like Richie quit the band just so he could work with Orianthi because she's more current. The timing is just a leetle bit off for that to be the case, wouldn't you say? Or did he just wait for 9 months and pretend to meet Ori on New Years Eve, so nobody would guess that it was his master plan from the start?

It's true that Richie saw Jon's star quality and wanted to be a part of where he was going. He's said as much, repeatedly. I think that what people sometimes seem to forget, though, is that Jon hand-picked the team he believed would get him where he wanted to be, too. So in reality, he hitched his wagon to their stars, just as much as they did to his.

Personal opinion (because without a time machine we'll never know for sure): none of those guys would be as well-known as they are without the others. It was the magic that existed among all of them (along with Alec, Desmond, Bob, Doc, and the planets) that took Bon Jovi to the top; not Jon Bon Jovi's personal magnetism. As essential as that was to the "magic", it wasn't the only factor by a long shot. Tico said in an interview that it wasn't until Richie joined the band that "it began clicking." So who's to say?

When it comes to the critical acclaim you think Richie will receive only after he dies, do you also think that that's when Bon Jovi will finally get the "critical acclaim" they deserve? They've never had wide-spread critical approval no matter how good they were or how hard they worked. At least Richie has received some critical acclaim as one of the great rock guitarists. When was the last time any of the critics pointed out how great Jon's voice is, or David's keyboards, or Tico's drumming, for that matter?

Also personal opinion: I think you overestimate Jon's "class". I'm not saying that he's not classy because, from what I've seen, I believe he is. But I'd bet my last dollar that if he had a case against Richie, he'd be suing his pants off right now (and may be doing so for all we know). And from some of the statements Richie's making, I wouldn't be too sure that THAT door doesn't swing both ways as well. As I said, JMO.

Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1173152)

& Jon's voice is shot to sh-t with smoking...what was a golden voice in 80's & 90's he had is now a nasal whine.. not good for a frontmans voice..

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173146)

We'll have to wait and see how the next album does. I think that now that he doesn't have Bon Jovi looming over him, he can focus more on building up his solo profile. I think his recent Australia trip did a lot for him in that part of the world. So doing more festivals can only be a good thing. And like Becky said, doing collaborations will introduce him to new audiences as well. If Slash can do it...

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173146)

I think his recent Australia trip did a lot for him in that part of the world.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173155)

Slash's career took off with Velvet Revolver, his image products Guitar Hero "videogame" has released the final stardom in this last decade. And his album "SLASH 2010" benefited with great collaborations. Slash is in a different league, but still, he can not fill stadiums or Arenas. In actuality play Rather pavilions and halls of 5000 people, and still playing early time in festivals.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173155)

Slash's career took off with Velvet Revolver, his image products Guitar Hero "videogame" has released the final stardom in this last decade. And his album "SLASH 2010" benefited with great collaborations. Slash is in a different league, but still, he can not fill stadiums or Arenas. In actuality play Rather pavilions and halls of 5000 people, and still playing early time in festivals.

I think Richie can aspire to a modest but secure public. Damn, his friends Heaven & Earth do, still live music. Why Richie not be able?

Originally Posted by Stiggy (Post 1173160)

the runaway packages are his way to repay the fans with there loyalty ? :confused: whats he done for us the fans that didnt cost us $$$? noting the fans going to these events are ones with money... the avergae fan like me misses out every time..

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1173159)

Aloha !



I don't think so. He's been all over the media there, exactly because of him not being there when Bon Jovi was there. All they're interested in is why he wasn't there in 2013, as opposed to why he was there when he was actually there.



Erm, no. Slash's career took off as soon as GnR stopped. Snakepit started touring in 1995 and did 85 shows, playing festivals and playing venues with a capacity of 1.000 - 2.000 people. Ever since Slash has left GnR he's been in various bands, whether it'd be with old band members, guest stars or just another big name. And because of him always either recording our touring, he is actually capable of playing small arena's nowadays. All because he's actually delivering what people want from him, as opposed to trying to be "Current", like your hero does.

Richie seems to think that after being invisible in Bon Jovi for the past 10 years, he could just leave and start a solo career by doing 15 shows a year. His ego is taking a beating every time he tries to do something that's just way out of his league, but as long as he's not realizing it and has got fans like you who seem to think that he's still THE Richie Sambora that everyone wants to see, as opposed to being the Richie Sambora everyone wishes to see, his career won't take off. Richie used to be able to play circles around Slash, but nowadays Slash just is the better guitarist out of the two of them.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173183)

I am agree. But the current comparison Richie vs Slash, is unfair. Richie has dedicated the last decade to Bon Jovi therefore solo ironically, he lost the map in terms of popularity. Richie is 54 years old, never going to enjoy having the career that has Slash, but he can still make music, with small shows, and then come back with Bon Jovi in a period of 5 years.

Richie wants to do his solo albums, I do not see what the problem is. As I said, Heaven & Earth and similar bands are still making records, Richie can do the same, not for success, but for the personal satisfaction of making your own music. And maybe, eventually, find your little place.

A reunion every 5 years. Bon Jovi album and then a solo album by Richie would be the ideal future. I hope this is possible.

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173109)

Becky's theory that Richie might still be under some contract makes sense to me. (I don't agree with anything else she said though...lol) That is the only thing that explains why Richie just doesn't come out and say he quit. He is quite outspoken about everything else concerning Bon Jovi. But if that's the case, then how long will it take for him to get out of that contract? And what will it take? I don't think Jon will make it easy for him since he wants the band to stay together.

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1173147)

As about the actual interview, who the hell is Shannon? Is Runaway a rip-off? And what the hell is Richie trying to say about opening for Judas Priest and Jon being the Tom Cruise of rock n roll? The man makes no sense.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173155)

Slash's career took off with Velvet Revolver, his image products Guitar Hero "videogame" has released the final stardom in this last decade. And his album "SLASH 2010" benefited with great collaborations. Slash is in a different league, but still, he can not fill stadiums or Arenas. In actuality play Rather pavilions and halls of 5000 people, and still playing early time in festivals.

I think Richie can aspire to a modest but secure public. Damn, his friends Heaven & Earth do, still live music. Why Richie not be able?

Ideally, it would be an album of Bon Jovi every 5 years. At each break, Richie could take a solo album, and build a modest solo career. But Jon has to agree, and must make room on the schedule.

Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1173211)

.... Richie wants to be the lead singer! The frontman! Like he was in every band he was in prior to Bon Jovi! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1173183)

A reunion every 5 years. Bon Jovi album and then a solo album by Richie would be the ideal future. I hope this is possible.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1173081)

First of all, you make it sound like Richie quit the band just so he could work with Orianthi because she's more current. The timing is just a leetle bit off for that to be the case, wouldn't you say? Or did he just wait for 9 months and pretend to meet Ori on New Years Eve, so nobody would guess that it was his master plan from the start?

Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1173235)

Probably not now Richie is determined to burn his bridges with every interview he gives. It would have been an ideal situation that he could have negotiated before flouncing off mid-tour.

His words get bolder when he is thousand of miles away. It's annoying because it ignites a lot of silly fan spats again with one against the other.

Richie saying he doesn't like the first 2 albums work would be nothing out of the ordinary for either of them. Citing Runaway, the song that made the band, a song they still play regularly on tour and saying "I won't be playing that again" is just fanning flames like a child. And it's also strange given that surely its a more satisfying song to play on guitar than most of the new stuff?

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1173147)

...As about the actual interview, who the hell is Shannon? Is Runaway a rip-off? And what the hell is Richie trying to say about opening for Judas Priest and Jon being the Tom Cruise of rock n roll? ...

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173110)

Richie wasn't saying Jon's Runaway was a rip-off. He was saying Del Shannon's song Runaway from 1961 was a much better song (which I agree with):
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkZV-XDqGo)

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1173147)

Jon being the Tom Cruise of rock n roll?

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1173242)

Didn't JBJ himself say that BJ are like Tom Cruise, that they make a ton of money but get no critical acclaim? ("the people's band")

Originally Posted by CKatz (Post 1173110)

Richie wasn't saying Jon's Runaway was a rip-off. He was saying Del Shannon's song Runaway from 1961 was a much better song (which I agree with):
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkZV-XDqGo

Whether you agree with him on that is up to personal taste.

(Bonnie Raitt also has a song called Runaway which is also a much better song, imo)

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1173233)

Do you know that, unless I missed it, you are the first person on any message board I visit who has brought that point up?? With the way ppl jump on every statement he makes I've been waiting for someone to comment on that. :D

This is also the first interview I remember seeing where he made a similar statement but said "a" lead singer vs. "the" lead singer. For the first time, I thought that perhaps what he meant was that in every band he was with before he shared the lead singing role (as in recording leads and switching off on stage). I know he recorded Shark Frenzy songs as the lead singer and did so for The Message as well, whereas with Jovi he never recorded any songs as the lead vocalist, and only sang a verse here or there, in concert, and occasionally got a solo spot doing a song while Jon rested his voice.

So I wonder now if that's what he meant. It makes more sense because he clearly wasn't THE lead singer in any of his previous bands except when he did pickup bands in bars as "Richie and Friends".

Originally Posted by akma (Post 1173269)

april, I'm waiting for you
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Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1173277)

Whoever April is needs to run like hell

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1173279)