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tobi is an animal 04-25-2024 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1290362)
Early on, I wasn't sure if that user could actually *be* Tobi Sammet (who is a huge Bon Jovi fan), but over time, the shitty taste in music (no offense) convinced me that even post Rocket Ride Tobi displayed far too much taste to have him confused with somebody who would rank BJ songs the way he did :D

Most of the songs I have ranked near the top are from Slippery, New Jersey, Keep The Faith and These Days. Most of the the songs I have ranked at the bottom are from the last four albums. I think Tobias would concur.

Alphavictim 04-25-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tobi is an animal (Post 1290371)
Most of the songs I have ranked near the top are from Slippery, New Jersey, Keep The Faith and These Days. Most of the the songs I have ranked at the bottom are from the last four albums. I think Tobias would concur.

He oughta rank You Had Me From Hello higher, seeing he lifted a lot of that one for Save Me!

semigoodlooking 04-25-2024 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1290370)
Rocket Ride is by far the best Edguy album to me; I like some Euro power metal (like early-ish Helloween), but IMO Hellfire Club and Rocket Ride had the right idea by trimming some of the fat and having more straight ahead stuff.

But the weird thing is that afterwards, the band seemed to get both simpler in terms of songs AND more pompous in terms of arrangements. I remember first hearing Robin Hood in the car with my mother (came up on the local radio station), and being quite embarrassed because the song was not good at all! And this was after me expecting this to be good after Rocket Ride.

I will say that they put on a fine show when they opened for the Scorpions on their "farewell tour" (yeah right), and that the new songs on the compilation they did last were all enjoyable. Since the band seems to be basically finished, they at least ended on a high note then. (I also seem to remember that the Space Police or whatever it was called album was pretty good, but I somehow never got around to pick that one up)

Not a huge fan of Avantasia, it's too much of a musical and not enough of rock albums to me, sheer pomp, but it's fine for what it is and obviously very succesful.

I agree with a lot of that. The first three albums had good songs, but Tobi was leaning too far into his influences. Not surprising considering he was still a teenager for much of that run. Mandrake is a quality power metal album, but yes I think the blend was found with Hellfire Club.

By Rocket Ride, he went straight for that 80s sound. Tinnitus Sanctus didn't know what it was, mixing the Edguy and Avantasia sounds and not sure how far to lean into the classic rock sound. This album is when Tobi went full Bon Jovi. There is a video of them doing Dead or Rock at a festival and he is basically dressed as Jon.

The Joker album, which I don't remember the name of, was very mixed. It had some good stuff but weak songs too. And yeah, I agree with Robin Hood. I admired Tobi for never getting dragged into the loudness war, but that album was missing volume in the mix. Space Police was hit and miss too, but had top songs when it was good.

Avantasia up until The Scarecrow was top tier, getting that bombastic operatic metal right. Since then it has been very patchy and I don't like the last two albums at all.

Alphavictim 04-25-2024 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlooking (Post 1290373)
I agree with a lot of that. The first three albums had good songs, but Tobi was leaning too far into his influences. Not surprising considering he was still a teenager for much of that run. Mandrake is a quality power metal album, but yes I think the blend was found with Hellfire Club.

By Rocket Ride, he went straight for that 80s sound. Tinnitus Sanctus didn't know what it was, mixing the Edguy and Avantasia sounds and not sure how far to lean into the classic rock sound. This album is when Tobi went full Bon Jovi. There is a video of them doing Dead or Rock at a festival and he is basically dressed as Jon.

The Joker album, which I don't remember the name of, was very mixed. It had some good stuff but weak songs too. And yeah, I agree with Robin Hood. I admired Tobi for never getting dragged into the loudness war, but that album was missing volume in the mix. Space Police was hit and miss too, but had top songs when it was good.

Avantasia up until The Scarecrow was top tier, getting that bombastic operatic metal right. Since then it has been very patchy and I don't like the last two albums at all.

To me, a band like Kissin' Dynamite does whatever Tobi was trying to do in the Tinnitus Sanctus era, but a lot better. They also have weird power metal tendencies (weird since IMO hair metal is still fundamentally rooted in the blues, and power metal is as remote from the blues and sensual ****ing riffage/music as you can get), such as modulating to major for choruses, but they seem a bit more committed - the hair cut of their lead singer basically says it all!

Not a _great_ band mind you, but probably perfect at what they wanna do

tobi is an animal 04-25-2024 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlooking (Post 1290343)
Regarding Soilwork or The Night Flight Orchestra, not heard about them. I will check it out.

If you get a chance I'd be interested to know what you think of these two songs.



tobi is an animal 04-25-2024 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1290372)
He oughta rank You Had Me From Hello higher, seeing he lifted a lot of that one for Save Me!

I never once thought of You Had Me From Hello when listening to Save Me. I like Save Me but I much prefer introspective Tobias à la Alone In Myself as far as ballads go.

semigoodlooking 04-25-2024 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tobi is an animal (Post 1290381)
I never once thought of You Had Me From Hello when listening to Save Me. I like Save Me but I much prefer introspective Tobias à la Alone In Myself as far as ballads go.

We're wildly off topic and I am feeling bad for the OP, but I don't get to talk about Edguy with people often. I too didn't see the link between Save Me and You Had Me From Hello, I will take a listen after. In my opinion, Save Me reminded me of 80s KISS.

Alphavictim 04-25-2024 08:17 PM

The intros to me are very very similar

Cheese Champion 04-25-2024 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1290356)
i just hope for 3 or 4 songs on every new album that I love. I dont expect 10 or 12 bangers anymore but then again BB really suprised me. Hopefully Forever does the same but theres only 10 tracks and i already dont like one of them.

There's 12 songs and 1 bonus track

tobi is an animal 04-25-2024 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlooking (Post 1290416)
We're wildly off topic and I am feeling bad for the OP, but I don't get to talk about Edguy with people often. I too didn't see the link between Save Me and You Had Me From Hello, I will take a listen after. In my opinion, Save Me reminded me of 80s KISS.

80s kiss makes more sense to me than You Had Me From Hello.


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