You can call a band whatever you like, but when you call people retards or idiots for liking a band, you cross the line. Everybody's entitled to like whatever they want, wheather you like it or not.

Ice

Oh noes, i crossed the line.

Get over your hurt feelings and grow the **** up. Anyone with half a brain can see that I was lamenting the state of a world that elevates mediocrity.

Nowhere did I call any individual an idiot or a retard, but i would stand by the argument that someone whose musical taste revolved mainly around Poison and Def Leppard at the very least lacks a certain intellectual curiousity.

Do you even read what you type yourself?

First, learn to quote. No need to double post every time.
There are no facts to support calling people idiots for liking Poison or Def Leppard.

Idiotic behaviour? And anyway, you still have no right to tell others what to like. Be it creative or not. And besides, you do not get to tell what's creative and what's not. It's not a fact, it's a matter of opinion. You like something, other people like other stuff. And they're as right as you.

No, you don't. You have a right to your opinion, but not the right to tell people they're idiots for liking music you don't like.

There you go again. Judging people based on their musical tastes is a sign of an idiot. You just can't seem to grasp the idea of "taste". Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even you. But you have NO right to judge people based on their taste. Intelligence has nothing to do with your taste in music. If you honestly think that, you're going to have a very interesting live ahead of you.

You don't have the right to tell other people what to think no matter what you think. You can say that you think a band is shit, but that's not the ultimate truth. You can NOT call someone an idiot for liking a band. Do that and I promise I'll **** with you every time.

And no, my feelings aren't hurt. I couldn't care less what you think of my taste in music. I really don't. People with self-esteem as bad as you seem to have aren't too high up on my list of people I give a damn about. I respect people who respect others, not people who think they get to tell others what to do.

Ice

I have every right to do that. It's called having a personality.

Except it does. Some music demands concentration, the ability to understand themes and motifs, to be open to new ideas and new cultures.

Poison demands the listener to enter a 1980's timewarp and has nothing more profound to say than "Every Rose Has it's Thorn". C chord. G chord. C chord. G chord. C chord. G chord. If that's all it takes to satisfy your mind, your heart or your soul, you ARE a ****ing idiot. It's practically the definition.


And every time you'll make a ****ing fool of yourself. If only you had the self-awareness to realise it.

For example, by living in a fantasy world, reading way more into people's posts than were originally intended and frankly just making shit up -"people who think they get to tell others what to do" - puhlease, as if i ever said anything even close

Ok, you call it "personality", the rest of the world calls it "being an asshole".

No, it doesn't. What you're referring to is called analysis. You can do that if it makes you happy, but it has nothing to do with listening to music. If that were the case, computers could write perfect songs. The amount of chords, the complexity of the composition or the tempo changes have nothing to do with creating a good song.

But then again, seeing what you like, you probably wouldn't know a good song if it bit you in the ass. Which is why you have to justify your taste by putting down others. A classic sign.

And again you're completely missing the point in order to try to let us know how intelligent, creative and completely perfect you are. Except you have no idea of "music". Music is about emotions, feelings. People like different things and are allowed to do so. You do not get to tell them their wrong, because you know nothing about them.

The only reason your having this "conversation" is because you love Cheap Trick. A band that created their (very moderate) success by dressing as outrageously as they could and wrote easy-going pop-songs. How does that fit in with your definition of intelligence?

I'm willing to bet my IQ is higher than yours, as mine is in the top 5%. I like 80s hard rock, including Poison. I also like Cheap Trick. And Sting. Explain that.

Nope, you're the one trying to make this personal. You're the one calling people idiots and retards and making claims that listenin to Poison is a sign of idiotism. That does not make ME a fool.

You've done it again and again. If you didn't intend on calling people idiots for liking Def Leppard and Poison you probably shouldn't have said so.

Ice

This stopped being fun a long, long time ago.

You claim intelligence and yet

• you feel the need to defend unnamed others from a hurt you imagine they are feeling. People are able to speak up for themselves.
• you are signally unable to grasp the point of my original post
• you believe all music is of equal merit - just so blatently untrue i don't even know where to begin
• You resort to attacks significantly more personal than those you are decrying yourself and fail to see the irony
• You are a fantasist, with little grasp of logic or reasoning and an amazing ability to deliberately misread people's statements
• You dismiss the idea that an openness to new ideas and an understanding of how music works can deapen it's impact. yes, i mean emotionally.
• Lack a basic understanding of rights.

You say "you do not get to tell them their wrong, because you know nothing about them" and yet over the last few points have told me I have low self esteem and that i know nothing about music, cast aspersions about my intelligence and called me an asshole. Are you at all self-aware?

Really? I admit the Yeah!/Sparkle Lounge tours have not been great, but from what I've seen/heard from the Adrenalize/Slang/Euphoria tours, Joe sounded very good. Have you not seen Tokyo 1999?

It was never meant to be fun.

I never claimed anything, you did.

Yeah, they are. And like I said, anytime you try to tell someone is wrong for liking something, I'm going to react. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who think they're better than others just because someone doesn't like the same things they do.

No, I grasped it alright. I just disagree with it very strongly. No music is more intelligent or dignified than other. Especially when your talking about bands like Poison and Cheap Trick.

No, not untrue. It's a question of taste. Just like the most delicate gourmet meal might be lost to you, it doesn't mean it's crap. Also, it doesn't mean that a cheeseburger wouldn't be just as good. It's a question of taste. Something you cannot measure and can't judge. All music is of the same value, the people just like different things. And should be allowed to do so without stupid people telling them they're wrong.

Just keeping up with you. The irony is that you can't grasp what's being discussed and still try to use the same arguments dismissed a long time ago.

[quote]You are a fantasist, with little grasp of logic or reasoning and an amazing ability to deliberately misread people's statements[/quote]

Wasn't it you who spoke about personal insults and irony? Well, pot kettle etc.

No, YOU do exactly that. You're so hung up on complexity and chor progressions that you totally missed that. If you were open, you'd say, "Oh, I don't like the Poison songs people seem to like, maybe I should look into this. Why do they like this and I don't". Instead, you call them idiots. Again, insults and irony. From YOU.

No. Freedom of speech let's you say basically what you want. But morally you can't dismiss the opinions of others. And you certainly can't insult people because of their opinions.

I never said YOU had any of those things. I said that the way you act implies those things. Looks like I hit home. And I never said you know nothing about music. And I also didn't call you an asshole. I called people who tell others they're idiots for liking someone assholes. According to you, you don't do that. So?

And what a wonderful way to completely dismiss the arguments I gave. Again, a classic sign of a person who doesn't know how to back up their arguments. Say that "this isn't fun anymore, I'm going home" and then thinking they were right. No, you just gave up.

Ice

Ice

Christ. You actually believe yourself....