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rolo_tomachi 06-12-2014 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1177945)
Oh at no point was I saying the majority of the songs were reconstructed on the box set. The majority of them have Richie's involvement, I'm talking 2005 forward. I've always had this hunch that Richie had little to do with the 4 "new" HAND tracks, a part from solos and backing vocals. WAN I really think it was the same. Majority of the guitar work done by Shanks and solos and backing vocals (and some random guitar parts and over dubs) by Richie. You can easily tell which riffs are Richie and which aren't.


Completely agree. Dirty Little Secret, These Open Arms and Nothing were more authentic than Last Cigarrete, Novocaine, Story of My Life and Complicated. Wildflowers was a JBJ song. Unbreakable sounded artificial, ok, but it would still be fun to finish the album.

Rdkopper 06-12-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1177946)
Completely agree.

Yea, I've been reading all along and I agree too.

Also added, with Richie living in LA and Jon in NYC / NJ he's not going to have Richie come out for session work plus I'm sure he comes with a price.

Bobby being a local guy is more convenient and comes much cheaper. This has always been Jon's band and being that's the case, I would think he pays guys to come in and lay down tracks, even for demos. Unless they do it out of the kindness of their hearts. My guess would be sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Captain_jovi 06-12-2014 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1177947)
Yea, I've been reading all along and I agree too.

Also added, with Richie living in LA and Jon in NYC / NJ he's not going to have Richie come out for session work plus I'm sure he comes with a price.

Bobby being a local guy is more convenient and comes much cheaper. This has always been Jon's band and being that's the case, I would think he pays guys to come in and lay down tracks, even for demos. Unless they do it out of the kindness of their hearts. My guess would be sometimes yes, sometimes no.

That'd be sad reasoning on the band's part if that's the reason they use Bobby, to save money on a plane ticket. Demos sure, final album versions should never have outside players playing big parts. Weren't the four HAND additions LA tracks?

Jon should keep Bobby around for solo work only. Though I firmly think it's more Shanks playing the parts than it is Bobby.

Johny 06-12-2014 07:43 PM

I get a bit confused with Crossroad and These Days recording sessions. From what I quickly read here - Always and Saturday Night were recorded after These Days as its last recording session? And that was in March of 1994. Sorry, I might not have understood it correctly or just skipped something but it doesn't make sense. It's not a surprise for me that it was Hugh playing the bass but I thought Alec was fired/left after Crossroad was released, so it couldn't be mentioned in the article that Hugh replaced him. Why would they wait from March 1994 to June 1995 to release the album? March 1994 also doesn't make sense in terms of writing and recording for 11 months when KTF tour ended in fall of 1993. And it also couldn't be March 1995 because Always and Saturday Night had already been released by then.
Sorry too confused. Id there anyone who can retell the story with a proper timeline?

Btw, I love those stories, I love reading those old interviews where you can still feel the passion music. No mention of politics and crap like this. Just music. Awesome music.

Boxset - I wouldn't be surpised if it was tweaked in the studio. I still like even though there are many Jon's solo songs. I'd love to learn more about the whole process of preparation for release. Or would I? Knowing too much sometimes kills the fun. When I thought that Jon is the best singer in the world, the boys are a family where everyone loved each other and I had a few amazing live shows, I was much happier with music and the band itself than I'm now :D And it's being slowly revealed (for me) that there always were some issued between them or at least Richie and Jon, some of the fanclub magazines prove it. It hasn't always been so idyllic.

Captain_jovi 06-12-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1177950)
I get a bit confused with Crossroad and These Days recording sessions. From what I quickly read here - Always and Saturday Night were recorded after These Days as its last recording session? And that was in March of 1994. Sorry, I might not have understood it correctly or just skipped something but it doesn't make sense. It's not a surprise for me that it was Hugh playing the bass but I thought Alec was fired/left after Crossroad was released, so it couldn't be mentioned in the article that Hugh replaced him. Why would they wait from March 1994 to June 1995 to release the album? March 1994 also doesn't make sense in terms of writing and recording for 11 months when KTF tour ended in fall of 1993. And it also couldn't be March 1995 because Always and Saturday Night had already been released by then.
Sorry too confused. Id there anyone who can retell the story with a proper timeline?

Btw, I love those stories, I love reading those old interviews where you can still feel the passion music. No mention of politics and crap like this. Just music. Awesome music.

Boxset - I wouldn't be surpised if it was tweaked in the studio. I still like even though there are many Jon's solo songs. I'd love to learn more about the whole process of preparation for release. Or would I? Knowing too much sometimes kills the fun. When I thought that Jon is the best singer in the world, the boys are a family where everyone loved each other and I had a few amazing live shows, I was much happier with music and the band itself than I'm now :D And it's being slowly revealed (for me) that there always were some issued between them or at least Richie and Jon, some of the fanclub magazines prove it. It hasn't always been so idyllic.

No, Always and Saturday Night were cut for inclusion as b-sides from a single from These Days, we're not talking about the original recordings.

Johny 06-12-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1177951)
No, Always and Saturday Night were cut for inclusion as b-sides from a single from These Days, we're not talking about the original recordings.

So they simply re-recorded those two songs in March 1995? Now it makes sense, apart from that I don't know the reason why?

From the scans I understood that Saturday Night was originally meant to be on These Days and when the recording company convinced Jon to release a greatest hit album they used it there along with Always which had been written (and recording by Jon alone) during the KTF tour and was meant as something like Blaze OF Glory, Jon's solo soundtrack record. The lyrics were also written according to the movie. And because the movie being crap, Jon pulled it. However he liked it enough to make it a band song for Crossroad. That's probably why the lyrics don't correspond with the videoclip. It now kinda fits and makes sense :)

Avantasian 06-12-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1177952)
So they simply re-recorded those two songs in March 1995? Now it makes sense, apart from that I don't know the reason why?

From the scans I understood that Saturday Night was originally meant to be on These Days and when the recording company convinced Jon to release a greatest hit album they used it there along with Always which had been written (and recording by Jon alone) during the KTF tour and was meant as something like Blaze OF Glory, Jon's solo soundtrack record. The lyrics were also written according to the movie. And because the movie being crap, Jon pulled it. However he liked it enough to make it a band song for Crossroad. That's probably why the lyrics don't correspond with the videoclip. It now kinda fits and makes sense :)

Yeah, as I read this they did "live in the studio-versions" of both Always and Saturday Night for inclusion as B-Sides on TD-related singles.
As far as I know only Always (live at A&M studios) saw the light of day on some This Ain't A Love Song singles, tough.

Alphavictim 06-13-2014 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1177941)
But is similar to Richie's demo, I mean it's the same guitar solo, just with more layers.

There's a What Do You Got demo floating around?

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1177944)
Well, there are songs in the last decade that we know is Richie who plays guitar, his licks and solos are recognizable.

Don't underestimate studio pros. Solos are one thing, but emulating Richie's licks isn't that hard when the songs feature almost none of them.

Captain_jovi 06-13-2014 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1177966)
There's a What Do You Got demo floating around?



Don't underestimate studio pros. Solos are one thing, but emulating Richie's licks isn't that hard when the songs feature almost none of them.

There's an alternate version of What Do You Got that accidentally leaked online a few years ago. It was never confirmed to be a demo and it was a theory we all had here. My gut says Phil just played some rhythm work on the final version. That solo melody is pure Richie.

Dave88 06-13-2014 09:06 AM

The "demo" version leaked online was recorded with Shanks during The Circle sessions... Phil X was brought in when they re-recorded the song with Howard Benson in August 2010.


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