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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
I wasn't being ignorant - I fully stated it was rumour and not fact. It was a hypothetical scenario and I thought that was clear to illustrate a point - my ENTIRE point being that no one here knows ANYTHING concrete, and therefore no idea who to blame.
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You ain't fooling anyone pal. You came out, all "if this happened, if that happened blah blah" Then decided to add your disclaimer. Then had a wee dig at Jon. Then added your disclaimer. If you genuinely are slap bang in the middle, totally objective, then unfortunately your writing style has betrayed that and made you look like another blind 'Richie lover'.
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
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Underpaid is all relative isn't it? If you were the guitarist in Bon Jovi, co-writer of songs, co-producer etc, and were receiving, for arguments sake, 10% of what the frontman/CEO was getting ... would you be happy? Is that being paid for your contribution?
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I might have considered that BEFORE signing my contract, and BEFORE starting the job...
[QUOTE=BJ?YesPlease;1134538]How can you be so naive to blame Richie BY DEFAULT unless there's an official statement? Who is in charge of the official statement, do you think? Can you say 100% that RS doesn't have a contract clause to stop him talking? [/QOUTE]
Richie Sambora is not performing on the tour Richie Sambora is supposed to be performing on. As it stands the only sure fire 100% official information we have (i.e. straight from the horse's mouth) is from Jon Bon Jovi's interviews and Richie Sambora's tweets. Taking that little sure fire 100% information, we can quite reasonably reach the conclusion that he has not been fired, and has left of his own accord. Unless Jon Bon Jovi has blatantly lied to our faces. Which we have no reason to believe he has. Therefore, a reasonable conclusion is that Richie Sambora is not performing on the tour Richie Sambora is supposed to be performing on, due to a decision made by Richie Sambora. No matter his reasons, Richie Sambora's decision is the reason that he is not there, so at this present moment if people wish to blame Richie Sambora, they are fairly justified in doing so. Are you keeping up?
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
And this attitude of "I put him where he is" is such claptrap when it's coupled with "I have a right to dictate his every future career move". Get over yourself.
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'We', of which 'I' am a part of, as people who have bought his records and paid for tour tickets and handed over cash for T-shirts etc etc, have helped put Richie, and Jon, Dave, and Tico in very fortunate positions in life. No talent in the world would have gotten them there without the support and financial backing of fans. Does that entitle 'me' or 'us' to "dictate" theire lives to them? No. They're human beings with their own free will. Does it though mean that they should treat 'me' and 'us' with a little respect as a thank you for being human beings who believed in them enough and allowed them to reach that position. Yes. I'm under no illusions that 'I' personally will get exactly what 'I' want, but as a collective we deserve better.
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
I'm holding my hands up and saying I don't know if it's Jon or Richie - and until I know otherwise, I'm going to be mature enough to not fly off the handle in a tantrum and cast speculative blame.
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No, you're just going to try slamming folk who don't agree with your 'Jon's a prick' feelings then hide behind the old 'we don't know' line. Go on, you don't have to hide it here. Let it all out...
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
Yes, the situation is ridiculous. It's been shockingly handled from the start, I'm pissed and upset about it and *maybe* the fans deserve a better explanation. It depends on the explanation!
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*definitely*
Don't confuse this with people demanding to know all the intimate details, but "personal reasons" cuts no ice when people have spent hundreds, even thousands of pounds on a product they are not fully receiving. "Personal reasons" would be acceptable outwith a tour where he has no obligations to anyone; mid-tour where he does have obligations, there should have been a better explanation.
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
If you feel aggrieved that Richie won't be there (and I would) then get your refund.
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Gee, I didn't think of that...
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I'll stick with my tickets thanks, seeing as the non-refundable travel and accommodation costs would then go to waste.
^That's the situation a lot of folk found themselves in. We made the decision to go to the shows regardless, make the most of things, and show our support for the rest of the band. We made that decision without to much worrying and are quite happy to see how it goes, but it pisses me off that the alternative would have been to lose money, particularly when I don't really know why we were in that position.
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
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If it turns our Richie quit for a shit reason, then I'll be in the mix to shout and complain about it.
But we don't truly know Jon's character or Richie's reasons.
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There you go again. What's Jon's character got to do with it? Those are baseless rumours remember, so why bring it up? Again?
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
(Post 1134538)
We're all BJ fans (ooh-er!) - let's chuck around the crazy theories to pass the time until The Revelation.
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Aren't the crazy theories just 'speculative blame'?
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Originally Posted by BJ?YesPlease
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I'm almost at the stage where I don't care what it is, so long as they don't just get back together and pretend it never happened...
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You've gotten right up my nose, and it pisses me off that right at the end I actually agree with you on the 'pretending it never happened' bit.