Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1262226)

I feel like people are stretching for some element of surprise. At this point who really cares if Jon refers to the band as we, I or us.

- Bon Jovi was always 60% Jon, 30% Richie, and 10% the other members.

Note: When I say Jon, that includes members he uses outside of the band. Billy Falcon etc. His guys...

Now with Richie gone, it's 90% Jon and 10% other members.

- This has always been Jon's band. They didn't form in a traditional way where that all started from zero and worked their way up together. Jon had minor success as a solo artist and formed the band around that. So these guys were hired guns from the start and just remained that way.

- Even if Richie rejoined, the music will remain the same... They are are not going to go on vacation together and write and album like they did back in the day... They are still going to make them digital, and I'm sure Shanks will still be in the picture.

Jon and the guys have an active family life so their priorities have shifted... Jon is also too busy running for fake president and NFL Team owner so he really doesn't even have the time to make a real commitment to albums anymore.

I think most fans are hanging in there for that one last huge song. I think with every new single, every new album, they are just waiting for that one last great one. I'm hoping it's Lower The Flag.

They are done as a touring act due to Jon's voice.

When Jon says he's good at touring, he's not talking about his performance... He's talking in a business sense. Aka revenue.

Just like Bruce Springsteen and The Street Band, it should be called Jon Bon Jovi and The Bon Jovi Band.

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1262234)

some good points for sure, even if i agree jon keeps underselling what Richie brought to the table...

i want to hear lower the flag, since it looks like jon really really belives in the song and not just backing it up for promotional reasons..

jon should go back to writing songs with richie and others and build it up one last time...he wont but i think thats what he needs

Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1262234)

some good points for sure, even if i agree jon keeps underselling what Richie brought to the table...
i want to hear lower the flag, since it looks like jon really really belives in the song and not just backing it up for promotional reasons..
jon should go back to writing songs with richie and others and build it up one last time...he wont but i think thats what he needs

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1262235)

He played Lower The Flag for Paul McCartney, so that says something right there...However, as someone pointed out, I hope it's not Scars part 2...

Why are the Spanish versions of Bed Of Roses and This Ain't A Love Song just as great as the English releases even though I can't understand the lyrics???

Because of the musical melodies accompanied by powerful vocals... Lyrics are just a fraction of it. Without the other two, you get bland songs like Not Running Anymore.

I hope Jon figured that out.

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Originally Posted by thesedays2014 (Post 1262239)

Yep, all this Limitless bollocks is definitely people like RdKopper’s fault...comparing Bed of Roses and TAALS to Running????



It’s a totally different type of song and music.



Running is a very good song for 2013 (approx) Jon; Bed of Roses was a very good 1990’s Jon song with a fantasic band and producer; Limitless is a 2020 piece of shit because Jovi fans like you can’t come to terms with the fact that times have changed.



Unbroken is a half decent song, Scars was a half decent song, Lower the Flag may probably be a half decent song, but it won’t be Dry County for Shanks’ sake.



Now Seb’s (almost)gone, are you just trying to spice things up? Because talking bollocks may get a few people back on this board, but it won’t make Jon write anything better than Stand Up stuff...it may however get him to keep on going with this Limitless shit once again, instead of making music for 2020 Jon Bon Jovi [emoji4]

Originally Posted by vidda (Post 1262241)

On the other hand...

I´ve noted just 10 songs to be compiled on the new album. Why do you think this could be? I´ve thought about the possibility that the total running time of the 10 songs equals approximately what we had before in 12.

I don´t know if this possibility is real or even if it just nonsense
The running time of THINFS is 49:07 (12 songs)
The running time of WAN is 52:43 (12 songs)
The running time of TC is 52:34 (12 songs)

2020 has by now 3:42 and 6:07 on Limitless and Unbroken (9:49 between both).
If I were right :) there would be around 40 minutes for 8 songs, which is a mean of 5, and knowing some of them would be in the range of 3-4 minutes, this carries me to conclude there would be at least 1-2 songs around the 7 minutes...

Well maybe it´s wishful thinking or the tale of the milk women (is there a name in English for this? :) ), but it came to my mind as a possibility.

And being it true that doesn´t mean it would be good, this is just an assumption about the running time.

The truth is that I don´t know it the artist has to pay for the number of songs, the length of the song, the total running time, or a mix of everything.

Greets.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1262242)

This is indicative... the obligation to record a certain number of discs during the duration of the record contract is usually established. This commitment must be specified with some general characteristics of future albums: minimum and maximum duration, number of songs, exclusion of versions, artistic and technical guidelines, possible collaborations, publication of collections, compilations and reissues.

We don't know how Jon's contract is, we don't even know how many years he signed with the company, so there are several open road. We will have to wait.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1262242)

This is indicative... the obligation to record a certain number of discs during the duration of the record contract is usually established. This commitment must be specified with some general characteristics of future albums: minimum and maximum duration, number of songs, exclusion of versions, artistic and technical guidelines, possible collaborations, publication of collections, compilations and reissues.

We don't know how Jon's contract is, we don't even know how many years he signed with the company, so there are several open road. We will have to wait.

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1262250)

THINFS missed Richies influence musically and lyrically and Id suspect the new will as well - based on what we have heard so far.

Originally Posted by rickysambo (Post 1262253)

Whoa! You suspect it'll be missing Richie's influence?

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262244)

Rdkopper, I think thesedays2014 is just joking...
vidda, remember that there is a song kind of epic Dry County kind of lengh...

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262244)

Rdkopper, I think thesedays2014 is just joking...
vidda, remember that there is a song kind of epic Dry County kind of lengh...

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262262)

I remember he said something like: There is a song about Trump, Cohen, Stormy Daniels kind of epic Dry County kind of length. That's called Blood On The Water.

Which is the song number 10 btw, but who knows.

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262262)

...That's called Blood On The Water.

Which is the song number 10 btw, but who knows.

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262262)

I remember he said something like: There is a song about Trump, Cohen, Stormy Daniels kind of epic Dry County kind of length. That's called Blood On The Water.



Which is the song number 10 btw, but who knows.

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1262263)

I mean, Unbroken is about as long as the single version of Dry County.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1262264)

Maybe Shanks added something later.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1262267)

Nope nope. No one wants political talk in this thread.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1262267)

Nope nope. No one wants political talk in this thread.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1262269)

It's lyrical discussion. And I'm pointing out a contradiction.

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Originally Posted by rickysambo (Post 1262253)

Whoa! You suspect it'll be missing Richie's influence?

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1262274)

So, Limitless......died a quick death didnt it.

Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1262279)

Limitless was always going to do nothing.

Unbroken has only got this exposure because Jon got Prince Harry involved and let's be honest, he knows that's basically his 'own' song anyway so that's why he's promoting it as much as he can.

The fact that the band members haven't even posted about anything to do with it says it all.

Nobody gives a shit. It's another excuse to tour. Simple as.

Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1262279)

The fact that the band members haven't even posted about anything to do with it says it all.

Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1262278)

the band members don’t even care

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1262287)

probably cos they werent on it.
The more I see the video the more it looks like Jon isn't with the rest of the band and he is superimposed giving the impression he is there.
To make it look real they have blurred out most of the other members when in shot with Jbj.
Just my little theory.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1262290)

The band is playing on Limitless, I hear Phil's rhythm part, John's lead, the opening drums sound like Tico. Dave is the only one I question. Pure JBJ/Shanks in direction but it's them.

I kind of wonder if it was a last minute song recorded.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1262289)

You do know how cameras work, don't you? I don't know what to say...

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1262292)

Of course. But i just have my doubts the band are in the vid with Jon and on the song.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1262291)

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking as well, along the lines of WWBTF. Would fit the whole thing of "Story Of Love" being the first single, then nothing happens, and then suddenly it's "Limitless", of which no one's ever heard before (or was it in the tracklist? Or did a tracklist leak at all?). That, plus Jon's comments about giving people something more familiar - maybe the record company execs wanted something along more familiar lines so that the fans aren't totally shoccked by the direction the rest of 2020 is taking...