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jessycardy 07-10-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1145733)
I sometimes think you share the same brain, too. :) Perhaps mine simply isn’t awake yet, but what is it that you both think is being implied?

(I’m probably going to regret asking that later... when I’m fully cognizant… :sleeping:

I included the first sentence for context. The second is the one that made me and, I'm glad, not only me jump in the chair.

Mysterytrain 07-10-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jessycardy (Post 1145738)
I included the first sentence for context. The second is the one that made me and, I'm glad, not only me jump in the chair.

If this is implying what I think it is implying, then I've thought this for quite awhile now. The "WWWB' documentary gives a window into Richie's mindset about Jon, and that also could possibly extend into the way he deals with his life overall. The 'make Jon happy' comment, to me, suggests someone who is a people-pleaser and passive, wanting to make everyone happy. This can often be at the expense of their own self-actualization.

Sissy3 07-10-2013 04:56 PM

I took it as an assumption that Jon is/was part of Richie's drinking problem which is a pretty strong thing to imply. Maybe it wasn't intentional but that's the way I took it (and yeah it was early morning foggy brain for me, too.) :)

Mysterytrain 07-10-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1145742)
I took it as an assumption that Jon is/was part of Richie's drinking problem which is a pretty strong thing to imply. Maybe it wasn't intentional but that's the way I took it (and yeah it was early morning foggy brain for me, too.) :)

My guess (and it's only a guess) is that alcoholism can be fueled by any number of factors and affects every facet of your life. While I don't think Jon is necessarily /responsible/ for Richie's descent into alcoholism, I do think it's possible that, if they had a contentious or troubled relationship, that their conflicts, along with other factors Richie himself has mentioned (his dad dying, his divorce) --may have all contributed to Richie turning to the bottle to cope.

RonJovi 07-10-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysterytrain (Post 1145746)
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that alcoholism can be fueled by any number of factors and affects every facet of your life. While I don't think Jon is necessarily /responsible/ for Richie's descent into alcoholism, I do think it's possible that, if they had a contentious or troubled relationship, that their conflicts, along with other factors Richie himself has mentioned (his dad dying, his divorce) --may have all contributed to Richie turning to the bottle to cope.

And Jon's daughter turned to drugs. It's all Jon's fault.

I'm just being flippant by the way. There is possibly some truth in that but, to me, that doesn't make any of this Jon's fault (which isn't what you were saying but is probably what Rolo or someone will take from it).

rolo_tomachi 07-10-2013 05:42 PM

Richie is proud to Aftermath. There is no more to discuss. He did not want to sacrifice Aftermath for WAN.

Richie thinks he can do both, but Jon wants to protect WAN. It's beyond me, Aftermath is not a threat to the BWC tour, or for sales of album WAN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_BkT9Vsb-k#t=0m11s
VS


Both have to reach a truce.

Mysterytrain 07-10-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1145747)
And Jon's daughter turned to drugs. It's all Jon's fault.

I'm just being flippant by the way. There is possibly some truth in that but, to me, that doesn't make any of this Jon's fault (which isn't what you were saying but is probably what Rolo or someone will take from it).

I'm a big Richie fan; I actually fell in love with his solo music first after hearing it on YouTube by chance, and then turned to Bon Jovi and got more familiar with their songs beyond the hits. So, despite my perception that his current behavior is frustrating and perplexing, I'm still rooting for him.

That said, I think I'd tremble in my boots working for Jon. I had a boss once who was an exacting, perfectionist task-master. I was a shy, passive person who hated yelling and conflict. His "tough love" terrified me, and instead of "thriving", I quit the job and now work in a position more suited to my personality. While I don't know if Jon's work ethic or style is in any way the same as that of my former boss, his 'moment' with Phil X onstage in front of thousands of people is pretty telling imo. Whether it's the right or wrong way to handle the situation is neither here nor there; it's how Jon handles it. If it was me in Phil's place, I'd be hugely embarrassed, wishing that he would have taken me aside for a moment rather than blowing up publicly.

Overall, dominant personalities like Jon seem to need to run the whole show and he's said as much in interviews over the years. It's not either good or bad, it just is. Maybe Richie just got tired of deferring so completely to Jon's vision. I wonder if doing 'Aftermath' woke Richie up a bit, so-to-speak. Maybe Jon didn't appreciate it if Richie suddenly grew more assertive regarding his place in the band, and so a war of egos ensued.

Sissy3 07-10-2013 06:03 PM

Funny you say that because, I've said to my friends more than one, I would never work for Jon Bon Jovi, because there's no doubt at some point his need for perfection would probably bring me to tears! And I'm a person who has no problem having heated discussions with my boss. :) Also agree about his "public" display of being pissed off. Just as easy to walk to the person you're hacked at and let him know, no need to include the first few rows of the audience. But, he's always done that and always will and I suppose the band is used to it.

rolo_tomachi 07-10-2013 06:07 PM

Another question, for the next single, Bon Jovi need Sambora for the video? or include Phil X and Bobby?? ... or just will come Jon, David and Tico???

If it be "Amen", just need the presence of Jon. But if it is "I'm with you"?

TwinFan 07-10-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1145752)
Another question, for the next single, Bon Jovi need Sambora for the video? or include Phil X and Bobby?? ... or just will come Jon, David and Tico?

If it be "Amen", just need the presence of Jon. But if it be "I'm with you"?

There probably won't be a next single.


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