15th April 2017 - Madison Square Garden, New York, Night 2 Thread
 

Always WILL be played tonight, as will Captain Crap and Saturday Night. Probably Blood On Blood as well, and maybe I Got The Girl (no doubt about Steph being there to dance with her Dad on stage...). Personally, I'd love to see Dry County and/or These Days in the setlist, but I'm pretty sure Jon is too careful about his voice and avoids them for that very reason. If the guy would just relax a bit and not be afraid of failing, he'd probably sound pretty much the same as he did in 2012/early 2013. But I believe the confidence issue (probably caused mostly by Richie's departure) has taken its toll on JBJ and it will take quite a while for him to recover.

Here's to hope for a good show:

https://youtu.be/h30cC5rRwFM

Bloody hell, I miss 2011.

PS. And, of course, I Love This Town will make its tour debut... unfortunately. It will probably take its place early in the set (as on multiple occasions during the LH tour) - maybe it will replace Whole Lot Of Leavin' in tonight's set?

Wow, 30 songs. That has to be one of the longest shows Jovi has done?

They also have that Golf thing in August

Surprisingly I think the longest show they've ever done was at the What About Now tour in Italy. It was 3 hours and 15 minutes.

Which knocks this "new musician" bullshit people are trying to excuse Jon with. Phil X was at this show, and at that show they debuted Undivided and played a bunch of songs like This Ain't A Love Song, Never Say Goodbye, These Days etc.

I also think people underestimate Phil X. He has been in the business for decades and is clearly a very talented guitar player. I am sure he could learn new songs he has not played before. Don't blame him for Jon's inability to shake up the setlist. Just looked it up on Wikipedia and he formed his first band at 16 years old and has played as a session guitarist on many big name albums (Tommy Lee, Daughtry, Avril Lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, Alice Cooper, Rob Zombie).

Phil might be more versatile but when you throw Shanks and Bradley in the mix, things get too confusing... it's the safe route to take and for a 29 show tour, it does make sense...

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Throw Bradley into the mix? Are you kidding me? He just needs to pick up a shaker and then count to 4 and repeat. He has by far the easiest job on the stage. He's been touring with Jon since the 90s!

And then Shanks has been a part of every Bon Jovi album for the past 12 years and yet I see no cuts from Have A Nice Day or The Circle.

There has been one cut from The Circle. "Work For the Working Man" has had a few runs this tour, most recently in Cleveland.

3:07 to be exact. That includes the intro and encore break.

Agreed rdkopper and rosa3 are looking for excuses all the time. There is no excuse to play the same set all the time, these guys are PROFESSIONALS.

It's not that! I just get it because I'm a Super Power and understand Jon...

Jon keeps calling what's going on a rebirth... This is a brand new Bon Jovi and Jon's goal is not trying to recreate the past with these new members. He's trying to make it all seem different while staying the same... The band up there are about the new music. Shank's isn't on tour to play in a Bon Jovi classic cover band... Everett Bradley isn't there to sit out 5 or 6 songs a night. THINFS is Bon Jovi 2017 and their first album as a band... and more so a band without Richie... This is where Jon is right now... It's a rebirth and a new start...

We are now at what basically is a 30 date mini tour. Jon's goal is to create a set-list that covers everyone while keeping his voice somewhat preserved. It's not a 100 gig 8 month tour. It's just 30 shows so Jon puts together what HE THINKS is the best set-list to get through it... Something that he thinks will satisfy the different levels of fans, the old band members, the new band members, and more so, himself...

He think's he's got the winning formula! Attendance is there, the reviews have been great, the majority of people are leaving happy... Why does he need to change it? This isn't a massive world tour and they are hardly playing repeat cities. Again, why change it? To satisfy the 15 people on here who aren't even attending the shows anyway? Before the internet, in the early 90's Jon did the same thing and no one cared... 30 shows, 40 songs total... No screens, 7 new songs, story telling, 2 and a half hours shows, Jon performing like he's 30 running around and jumping into the audience...All from a guy we thought would never tour again after 2013, 2015 and even questioned more at the beginning of 2016.

These shows have been ****ing great... Reading a setlist and spot watching a select full of videos is shit and to be honest, your opinions don't validate or mean shit anyway... because everyone on here who actually did attended a show squashes everyone's opinions who hasn't attended a show to shreds... It's not just me A Rosa, it's everyone who attended...

This is WINNING as far as I'm concerned...

The winning part is keeping the house full every night despite the fact he can't sing anymore.

That's the proof that people can and certainly will be fooled.

But he can sing... he's just limited... there are times where he hits notes and you're like 'wow'... attend a show, you'll see...

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I'll never understand the complaining about the set lists that are qualified with, "They used to use more variety." No, they didn't. They said they did, but the set lists have always been pretty close to the same on various tours. I literally have hundreds of shows sitting in my closet. I've always been left scratching my head wondering what they are talking about when they said they change the set list nightly. A song here and there doesn't make for dramatic differences in my opinion. They have even gotten stuck on the same cover songs. Forgive me for arguing with the boss, but when he says the shows change nightly, he's full of it and always has been.

Maybe its because ive seen them a fair few times but Im happy with the current sets... not ecstatic (In These Arms DB on Vocals, and Ill Be There For You tonight please!) but im pretty sure criticism has been aimed at the band before for not sticking with the new material that.. lets be honest they are meant to be promoting! The tour is called "This House Is Not For Sale" and once more from what ive seen Jon and the band sell it and BELIEVE in it with PASSION! Something that I feel Jon and the band have been missing since the Lost highway record, I hope they bring the tour to the UK next year for some arenas or smaller intimate shows, I luv this Jon hes hungry again, working hard and selling the material old and new with passion! That for me is the priority!

Puff, I really want to smoke the stuff or drink the stuff you guys are on... 🤣

I was holding out hope for Dry County on the last night, but that hope is fading fast. More likely Always and Saturday Night or Blood On Blood. For those going, enjoy the show!


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The only people who want to hear Dry County are die hards. I've been to several shows where they did it and it goes over like a lead balloon. It's too long and casual fans don't know it. Personally, having heard it live, I'd take two new songs I'd never heard live in its place, gladly. Or even old songs I've never heard in person... I'm still waiting for Wild Is the Wind. They would go over just as poorly, but wouldn't bore people for ten straight minutes of the same song.

There's not a chance in hell of this happening, but what if Richie were to make a surprise guest appearance at tonight's show? It's he last show of the leg, in what is essentially the band's hometown, so if it were to ever actually happen, wouldn't it be at a show like this one?

I would not hold my breath waiting for Richie to show up. If it ever happens, I don't think it will be any time soon. But that's just my gut feeling.

i know that you don't have arguments to try to discuss with a lot of people here (including me) and stopped doing so simply because you've noticed how foolish you were looking, but I just have to comment on this one ... do you know anything about music ? Do you know what hitting a note means ? Do you know that any average guitar player can pick up a guitar and play the whole THINFS album after a few minutes ?

Once again ... stop trying to prove something that doesn't exist. And what's worse ... when you're owned in a discussion, you simply stop responding and then you start saying the same things in another thread. I have no idea how big of an ego it takes for someone to call himself the most bla bla bla in something like you do, but you are becoming a joke on this board.

David just tweeted "last show of this leg of the tour." So apparently more legs to come.


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Good to hear. I was starting to wonder. Usually shows that would coincide with their confirmed dates would be on sale by now.

Isnt the show starting now? Or do I have the time zone translations confused?

Hoping for "I'll be there for you " tonight. One of the best jovi songs
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=SCQGnVrTsAM

I think the 2nd leg would probably be late summer or early fall, maybe Europe or some more North American dates, I think summer will be a break. I am only guessing, but I think Richie might be here in SoCal for the Coachella festival, just guessing, Ava tweeted that she is there now, he was there last year and the year before, but like I said, I am only guessing.

How long til it starts?

It has started.

This House, Knockout, Bad Name is what I've found so far but no stream at the moment.

Hope everyone has one wild night

Didn't know Seb was posting here again.


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Will always be played, or is it too soon since the last performance?

Sorry, I deleted that post. Quite unfunny indeed

According to someone on Twitter who is at the show... So far

Thinfs
Bad name
LH
WLOL
Rollercoaster
WWBTF
Sleep
WGIGO

Dunno how accurate this is.
Also apparently Jon apologised for being sick last week

No worries. Seb was a long-time poster awhile back, who often claimed to have advanced leaked copies of new records and frequently embellished set lists.


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Someone else at the concert just tweeted:

"Hey Jon, play something we know!!!"

"Who says" was played

And that's why (vocals aside), he doesn't play Dry County and These Days in the U.S.


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Yep!
Couple of other people complaining that they can't see when Jon asked the crowd to get on their feet...

There's a live feed but no idea how to link it.

@AlwaysAprilE on Twitter linked it

It's a Periscope feed, maybe someone else can post the link here