Will Bon Jovi ever release...
 

...The songs that didn't make New Jersey? (As we know NJ was meant to be a double album)

There's enough for it be either part of another box set or even released as New Jersey pt II.

I love the songs that didn't get on but they ain't great quality would love to have them sounding as they should be.

Thoughts?

Actually make it a double disc of NJ and SWW songs that didnt make the albums.

Im dreaming arent I??!?!

Never happened. It would be too embarrassing for fans to hear how good Jon used to sound. Besides, as smart of a businessman as Jon thinks he is, he doesn't have a goddamn clue what the die-hard fans want.

As much as I liked several of the songs on the box set, the amount of great songs left off is just astounding. Then again, this is the guy who didn't want Prayer on Slippery.

We'll get them the same time we get the unreleased live album they were working on after the NJ tour and a DVD release of AAA and KTF - An evening with Bon Jovi.

It's a sad thing this band rarely likes to look back. Or do anything just for the die-hards.

I said it a million times and I'll say it again.... Royalties Royalties Royalties

A nice little unexpected paycheck would go to Alec John Such if Jon ever released those songs, especially if Alec wrote any of those bass lines. It would be too much work for them to lift Alec's and replace them with Hugh's. Plus he'd still have to pay Hugh studio time. I also don't think Jon is too fond of them or anything pre 2000 for that matter.

You saw what they did on the OWN Live CD and those Special Edition CDs. They were including live songs post Alec...and then played it off on the Special Editions like they were from each era meanwhile, they were full of shit pretending they didn't know.

Look, we have the NJ demos now. A great fan here ever corrected the speeds and cleaned them up pretty well. If you compare the Prayer demo that we already had to the cleaned up one on the box set, there isn't a significant difference. There are obvious improvements between the two but not enough to go crazy over. I think the NJ Demos are in better quality then the SWW ones too. Sure, I'd love to have them but I don't think there is much more they could even do to make them sound perfect.

The amount of performance royalties that would go to Alec would be so so small, not enough of a reason to not release them, there's much bigger reasons. Lack of demand for one.

How many of the Special Edition songs actually lied about the era they were from, I don't remember it being as many as you think.

EDIT: That and I don't think it matters one bit if he wrote the basslines or not, if he's not credited as a song writer he's not getting that share of the royalties.

All true points that just add to the complication of such a project.

As far as royalties go, we really don't know what Alec would get but being that he is no longer in the band, I think it would eat Jon up knowing that he would still make money on such a project even if the amounts were low.

With the decline of album sales as a whole, it's highly unlikely that we'll get any such type of release, including a 2nd Box Set especially without a promotion and mini-tour.

I just don't think he obsesses over money to the point where if some goes to Alec it's better to not release it at all.

I know I've said this a billion times since 2005 but I'd rather they go the opposite way and just put the tracks to iTunes. The audience that wants it will find it easy, promo'ing and mini-tour won't do jack all as it's not aimed at the general public. If the public isn't going to accept new albums, singles and videos they sure as hell aren't going to want b-sides and alternate versions. Putting them online, even with a paid subscription service if need be, completely takes out the overhead and it's pure profit.

Wasn't the Alec feud sorted out ages ago? He played with that at Giants stadium in 2001.

A true live album is what everyone wanted and they recorded almost everything from the New Jersey tour when they were arguably at their peak. It's probably for the best as Obie would have shit all over it with over dubs and edits ala OWN Live.

I dont see another boxset coming out. Times have changed.

I was at Universal when the 100m Fans...came out and it only sold something like 8000 copies in the UK by the time Id left ( mid 2006).

Causal fans and even some die hards just dont buy those type of things. I think it was about £49.99 when it came out over here.

I got 3 copies in the end from Universal. Me, my dad and my sister all have one.

But times have changed and the record company would be on a huge loss due to poor sales now days.

Agreed, it's clunky and not profitable. Because it's 4 discs would the 8000 be multiplied by 4, as far as charts and sales go?

100 Million Fans had so much wasted space though. 90 minute CDs were only being filled to 60. We also got some songs that weren't really necessary to include like Real Life & Edge plus some already released b-sides. I could also pass on songs that the other guys had lead vocals on too, esp Dave and Tico.

If you break it down, 2 full CDs could have been equally satisfying. Figure 90 minutes, 18 songs each totaling 36 songs all together. Exclude the ones mentioned above and you're pretty much there.

2 CDs priced at 10 bucks would be more than generous back then, however in today's times, it still wouldn't sell.

Sales are sales; charts are charts... not effected

Each disc is counted separate when it comes to the number of albums sold though. If the Box sold 10 copies, that's 40 albums sold

We had a great tool at Universal - you could go to artist and see how many copies individual albums sold since the time it was released, Last year, last month, last week and the day before.

Crossroads is biggest selling and I think New Jersey was 2nd (in UK)

If each disc is counted as it's own album how is it not effected then? There's a big difference in sales numbers chart listings if 1 = 4. It doesn't effect US, no, but the label sure does.

I'll explain it this way. You have a choice to release a double CD or to release albums back to back (Use your Illusion 1 & 2)...

The double album sells 100K copies. And both albums (UYI 1&2) sell 100K copies.

- Number of albums sold are the same for both.. 200K

- When it comes to the charts, the double album will charts as if it only sold 100K. If it was the opposite, you'd see a lot more double CDs out there.

- Now Sales..... Sales and albums sold are not the same. Your sales figures are how much you make in terms of money. Price per unit. A car salesmen could sell 10 cars but those are not his sales figures. It's how much he sold each car for. Then the Net profit comes last which are the total sales less cost per unit.

With the Box Set, it counts as 1 unit. It's not 4 CDs, 1 DVD and a Book. Just like a car sale isn't a Radio, A GPS, 4 Tires, and an Engine. There is a cost associated with the box set and then a percentage set based on the estimated amounts of units sold. The record company doesn't give a shit that each CD will count as 4 CDs sold. They care that they sell X units at X price to meet a certain sales margin.

Box sets are in the past. Get over it people.

I don't have the box. I wanted it so much years ago, but it was released too expensive here in Brazil.
The price in the date of launch here? R$ 300,00. Just craziness. Nowadays, doesn't make any sense to release a box set.

I just don't get why not release all the material digitaly. I love buy CD's, but if you going to make like you did with WAN...there's no reason to release something like that. (I'm not talking about the quality of songs)

It would make Jon a hypocrite if took that approach. Last Man Standing. He's anti digital download and all about the album.

With a CD you could still get the die-hards but with a bunch of digital downloads, it would get lost in the shuffle. All it takes is one person to download it and it's free to the world with no other attraction to it. With a CD, you have an actual physical product. If it's just a digital release, I'm not buying it.

As a die-hard, I still like to purchase a physical CD and put it on my shelf with the others. I like to put the new CD in my player, skim through the booklet, and take in that new CD plastic smell.

I think they should take 36 unreleased songs, fill-up two solid CDs, and sell it on special for 9.99.... And then have a code in the booklet where you could go online and download a few extra songs for free and watch a video or something.

Aloha !

Forget what's been said above because it's so full of errors and contradictions...again.

Here's how it works for the U.S.A. regarding double albums and box sets.

If you sell a double album lasting 90 minutes, the RIAA considers it one sold one unit. If you however sell a double album lasting over 100 minutes, it's counted as two units. The same goes for box sets, which usually last over 100 minutes anyway. Every disc will be counted as an individual unit. In theory, this means that if a record store sells a box set with 12 CD's in it lasting over 100 minutes, it'll be reported as 12 box sets sold despite there actually being only one physical unit.

So, let's say Bon Jovi has sold 125.000 box sets in the U.S.A., they'll be multiplied by 4, meaning they have, according to the charts, sold 500.000 units, In the U.S.A. you need 500.000 sold multi disc units for a Gold Certification meaning the box has achieved gold status despite there only being 125.000 physical copies around.

Moving on...

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

OK. We already knew all that. You didn't add anything in regards to sales or charting though. That's what your missing and failing to present. Yes, the album is rewarded a gold status and the band is given a plaque but that doesn't mean anything in regards to sales or charting. It's not charted as if it sold 500 copies. If it sold 1000 units in the first week, it's not charted as 4,000 copies sold and a winner against a single cd that sold only 3,000 copies.

Edit:

- In the US, the Box Set SOLD 125 thousand copies and that how the Record Company views it. And that's it...... Their final sales figures are based on that number of units times the price it was sold at. How the number of CDs are counted is completely irrelevant to them.

- It achieved a Gold status by the Recording Industry Association of America because it contained 4 CDs. 4 X 125 = 500 thousand. The RIAA and Record Company have NOTHING to do with each other when it comes to recording sales figures.

- It peaked at number 53 on the Billboard Charts due to the actual numbers of physical units it sold in the first week. Not the number of CDs included within each unit.