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Originally Posted by Supersonic
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You're making things up here in order to create your own truth, more on that later though.
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Once again, what exactly did I make up, Supersonic? Could you list it out please? Everyone here knows you have that habit, that doesn't mean that everyone's "slightly deranged" - to quote one of your closer friends.
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The fact that Bon Jovi does a Scorpions song is different than Opeth doing Bon Jovi, exactly because Bon Jovi do something by an act seen as one who are doing the same music Bon Jovi does, just on a less popular level. Opeth playing a Bon Jovi song is different because both artists in the genre Opeth plays and fans of such genre usually see Bon Jovi as a joke, therefore playing a song of such band is taking the easy way out of amusing your audience, especially one that is rather new to your music when just gaining popularity on the level Opeth is having right now. Jon never said a negative word about Scorpions, neither saying anything negative about the eighties being long gone. If one thing Jon did was being extremely positive about the Scorpions, so no, Jon didn't take the piss out of them in the same way Opeth does.
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And how exactly are Opeth negative there? I don't quite see it. "He's not so ****in wanted anymore"? By that? Do you see what he continues with? Asking the audience why they never sing the lyrics to their songs like that - for example. Just because you interpret all kinds of meanings to the simple gesture of playing a song is really amusing actually. I mean, Opeth do Whitesnake covers, Van Halen covers, Aerosmith, even Scorpions, the whole 80s palette. Yes, they always take the piss a little bit - but not in a "let's trash these posers" type way like other bands would. More in the same way that Jon Bon takes the piss at the Scorpions in Munich. And the fact that you don't see it, just proves you don't want to see it. Or that you are stupid. Or maybe both.
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You can be aware of things all you want, but you're just dead wrong. None of their albums made it to the top 20 of the Billboard 200, and no Brian (not a dig at you) their last one didn't either but peaked indeed at 23, just like Danfan said. And that album made it to number 9 in the Billboard Rock Album chart, which is about it when it comes to Opeth. So you bigging them up as if they're insanely popular and have a right to speak when it comes to comparing them to Bon Jovi's popularity makes no sense at all. Therefore the initial "He's not so wanted anymore now, is he?" comment is bullshit, no matter what way you'll look at it.
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Making all kind of irrelevant statements again. I almost forgot what a hypocrite you were, I guess it's good coming back to these forum every now and again. As Crushgen put it, Heritage peaked at #19. Whatever you may call it - it's INSANE for a band that is active in that music genre that Opeth is in. But that wasn't even my point. Did you even read what I wrote in the first place (more to that in a bit!)
And of course they have a right to speak when it's about Bon Jovi. What sort of moronic statement is that? According to you, there's maybe 5 bands in the world currently that could make comments about Bon Jovi. Opeth can say whatever they want and it does make sense regardless of whatever context of big or small band you put it in.
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That's all very nice, but I'm not talking about their popularity in Germany or the UK, neither does this stand into relation with what I said. I never said they weren't popular, I never said they weren't massively popular considering their music genre, all I said as they are far from as popular as Bon Jovi are, you then bring in all sorts of other things in order to try to prove a point here, but all of them can be thrown away as you're comparing apples to oranges.
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Supersonic, you are clearly struggling to understand what other people say. Not to mention that I express myself in a very straight-forward way so that only makes me question your IQ even more. Once again, for the "slightly deranged":
1- Opeth are an incredibly popular band for what they are, be it in America or Europe or anywhere. No question asked. The only reason the popularity point was raised was to make the statement that it's rather unlikely that the frontman of Opeth would ever be envious of Jon Bon's success. Clear now?
2- Nobody cares how popular they are anyway. They can say about Bon Jovi whatever they want. Anyone can. I can. And I mean - even you can, like....if even you can, surely Akerfeldt can.
And just because you seem to have this "Prove me wrong" obsessions for whatever reason - here is the first point I have made in this discussion:
"You are comparing a Swedish progressive experimental death metal band with a commercial pop-rock band from the States. Opeth regularly cracks the US Top 20. Considering what music they play, that is pretty damn incredible. Such comparisons are completely inappropriate anyhow."
Hope that makes you feel a lot better.
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You are hereby saying that when making the comment of "He's not so wanted anymore now, is he?" the singer of Opeth was analyzing Wanted on stage there, and seriously thought of Jon not being the cowboy anymore now. And after doing so, he thought of questioning the audience whether he was right, and as the audience cheered they'd just analyzed Wanted the same way he did, because they were obviously on the same intellectual level at the singer, right at that time. If you honestly thing that's what he meant with that comment you're deluded.
He's not giving some psychology lesson there when playing Wanted. He might think Wanted is a great song, but presenting it like that is for easy admiration and is on the same level as Jon bragging about how many millions of years they're still together now. Both are in order to get a cheer from the audience but where Jon does it over his own back, Opeth apparantly needs to do it by taking the piss out of an easy target like Bon Jovi does. And that's my initial point.
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There's a VH1 "Least metal moments" show where Scott Ian of Anthrax says that Bon Jovi lost "the metal" when Jon Bon Jovi started waxing his chest. That's the type of comment I think Akerfeldt made too. The extent to which you extrapolate it just makes you look slightly odd. And you also get really adamant about it. Oh oh. Not so good.
Ok, let's assume for a second your incoherent set of bullshit ideas (that you somehow manage to link together although they have nothing to do with each other) is right. According to you, Akerfeldt's statement is :"He's not so popular anymore, is he!". Honestly Supersonic, you know yourself that you are struggling with lots of little things in life, but there's no need to just point out to everyone on this forum that your brain has less horsepower than that of a chicken.
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You seem to be incapable of discussing music here without bringing in irrelevant information on the table, especially irrelevant information that's incorrect. Whether Jon bakes pancakes for the homeless, whether Opeth has had 3 number 1 albums somewhere in the Ukraine isn't what this is about, I questioned how his comment is brilliant, and you bring in all sorts of things that've got nothing to do with it. The bottom line is his comment didn't make any sense, and I still wonder why you think it's brilliant considering I just brought up facts on the table that prove that you were wrong.
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Supersonic - my statement of a comment being brilliant is just that. It's a personal matter of taste. Now maybe my sense of humour is slightly weird or who knows what. But your statement of "bringing facts to the table" just cracked me up. Now that is quality humour! Hear hear, facts to the table :D. Like the fact that I am making up stuff, or what exactly was it? Don't be more ridiculous than you usually are, Supersonic - rather go back and cry to Thierry how you hate my guts or do something useful with your time. Ohh wait - that's probably the most useful thing you do.
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Prove me right.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
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That will be very difficult. Even if I tried really really hard, I doubt I could ever prove you were right. So you won that one. Respect!