Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1259372)

Aloha !

Besides being truly atrocious, the melody of these verses are stolen from a really famous anthem, I think. Everyone around me knows what I'm talking about yet no one can mention the title.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1259381)

Can anyone remember the Instagram post by the guy who does the mixing saying that a song would be part of a film/documentary but he didn't know when it would be released? I guess this is that? Jon has said that there's a song on the album about PTSD...so this is bound to be that song also!

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1259371)

I could see it not making an album but with all the band pre promo footage, I doubt Jon would call it a JBJ album...

I just think its one of those things... Like how the Stand Up Guy tracks made WAN.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1259383)

Sure but that was delegated to bonus track status. If Jon's going on about how this song is on the album and the powers-that-be submitted it as a Jon solo song, who knows. I don't THINK he'd drop the band name but it'd be a good way to save some face.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1259384)

Am I remembering correctly that Blaze was re-recorded by the band for release on Crossroads?

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1259385)

This I never heard...

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259373)

Ode to joy (Beethoven's ninth symphony)

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1259384)

Isn't Jon "the -powers-that-be" now? Wouldn't "UMG (on behalf of Bon Jovi Profit Split)" mean that Jon determines who is credited as the artist?

As you point out, Jon has been quoted as saying that "one song on the album is about PTSD", iirc. I guess this song could be a different song about PTSD; but unless he's just in that groove, that seems a little unlikely to me. Or, idk, maybe working with them on the documentary inspired a second song in the same vein? *shrugs*

Here's another thought: Am I remembering correctly that Blaze was re-recorded by the band for release on Crossroads? If so, maybe he's done the same thing with this song. Maybe he wrote and recorded it himself, specifically for the documentary, but then decided he wanted the band to record the song for the album. Just thinking out loud...

There's one thing I don't get in your post, though, so I'm curious. Why would Jon need to save face; and how would saying it's JBJ vs Bon Jovi help?

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1259387)

Aloha !







Yeah, that's the one! It's the European anthem.






Salaam Aleikum,

Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1259389)

Yup. Because it's coming from Jon's camp what the song is credited under it's a very strange move to do a 180 from the recent years of "We're a band now more than ever" and credit a song from a band album as a solo song. We've seen plenty of the opposite (songs done by the solo band credited as band songs) though.



That was a really weird fake fact from the early 2000s (? I think?) That got debunked. That's 100 percent Jeff Beck playing guitar on the Crossroads version.



To your last point....part of me wonders if Jon has decided to drop the band angle and just fully go forward with calling it as his own name. His big creative partner isn't technically a band member, his other guitarist is a hired hand, Dave and Tico don't write for the band and might not be as involved as they used to be. He could finally be ready to say "this is me, sometimes we all do it all together sometimes not". Could all just be a cockeyed theory but calling a band album song as "by Jon Bon Jovi" after three years of ramming the idea of a band down our throats isn't making as much sense to me.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259373)

Ode to joy (Beethoven's ninth symphony)

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1259398)

MAybe Beethoven will be mentioned as one of the songwriters ;) even though he was just sitting in the room when Jon wrote it :D

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259399)

Beethoven has been dead long enough so that he and his relatives probably couldn't sue Jon for this statement - clever move :D

It definitely has the guitar sound of Top Gun and the melody of Beethoven in there. Maybe that's what Jon meant with clear vision?
"I know what kind of songs I'm gonna plagiarize in the future and how obvious I'm gonna make it." :mrgreen:

Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1259401)

It's actually quite annoying because the Beethoven's melody is not finished. So if you know it, you want it to continue but it doesn't. :D

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1259353)

I made a small edit...

Unbroken - Bon Jovi 2020

https://mega.nz/#!lsQnBYJa!yt_fn3GxM...aFvcWJpd57JX4I

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259402)

Same thoughts here. However, I find the song rather annoying on itself. The vocal delivery is abysmal.

Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1259408)

To be fair, he has no vocals so what can be expected?

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259409)

I don't know. Either that Shanks actually might've done some mircales in the studio again and pushed something remotely exciting (there were small moments on THINFS and since so many keep repeating that Jon actually would have improved since 2015, there should've been something) or that they listen to it and maybe say "we should better let it be."

Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1259416)

Personally, I think it is a conceptual song. Classical music is often used as part of therapy. Jon probably used this type of music during his therapies conducted by Lou Cox. For the workshop Jon took the subject PTSD (post-traumatic stress) so ... A song on this subject ideally fits a melody similar to a classic composition. People who hit this trailer will catch it immediately and they won't even know why. It also evokes positive emotions. This is one of the pieces targeted at a specific audience.

From our perspective, the use of such a melody can be cynical etc., but I can imagine that it will be for Jon one of the most important songs in his career because of the personal emotional charge that it carries.

There is nothing to tell about the fact that many hits use themes from classical music, because it is obvious as well as the existence of 4 chord songs.

Originally Posted by Dicanio (Post 1259418)

Are we still talking about a rock band these days or not?

Originally Posted by SadieLady (Post 1259423)

One of the things that shocks me about the current band status and Jon's voice is that I no longer even enjoy listening to the old music. It is a painful reminder of what once was. I hadn't expected that.

Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1259416)

Personally, I think it is a conceptual song. Classical music is often used as part of therapy. Jon probably used this type of music during his therapies conducted by Lou Cox. For the workshop Jon took the subject PTSD (post-traumatic stress) so ... A song on this subject ideally fits a melody similar to a classic composition. People who hit this trailer will catch it immediately and they won't even know why. It also evokes positive emotions. This is one of the pieces targeted at a specific audience.

From our perspective, the use of such a melody can be cynical etc., but I can imagine that it will be for Jon one of the most important songs in his career because of the personal emotional charge that it carries.

There is nothing to tell about the fact that many hits use themes from classical music, because it is obvious as well as the existence of 4 chord songs.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1259426)

I also can't take his ultra left winged attitude anymore... It's way over the top and ruining him as an individual...

Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1259429)

He may be a democrat but there is no possible way jbj is far left. He's literally said in interviews that he's socially Liberal but more Conservative economically. Bernie he is not.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1259427)

Aloha !



This sounds like it's written by someone who knows nothing about music and does nothing about assumptions as to how things work both in the business and when writing music. Going from stealing melody lines to saying "others do it too" and consequently bringing up 4 chord songs as an example of that shows quite well how the basic understanding of how (and why?) music is composed is completely lost on you.

To assume Jon's nicked the melody of Beethoven's symphony because it directly relates to the subject of the song is ridiculous considering Jon's done nothing but stealing from others in the past 20 years of his career. I thought the Top Gun reference was more on target, clearly showing the amount of cheese and predictability in his music nowadays. Jon's music hasn't been personal in a long, long time, no matter what bullshit he spouts off in interviews.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1259430)

Aloha !



To a Trump supporter everything else other than Trump means you're far left.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1259432)

Very true, thing is in most western countries I feel Jon would be very close to the centre if not slightly to the right. It's just American politics is nuts.

Originally Posted by thesedays2014 (Post 1259433)

... they haven’t worked in the real world or suffered the real world.

Jon Bon Jovi? He’s just in it for the ride.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259434)

I know you related this to politics, but that's what strikes me with him constantly addressing socially relevant issues in his lyrics in the last decade. He's not writing about something he's really experienced or can relate to, thus the lyrics being a bubble of easily strung together clichés.

Originally Posted by Not Old_Just Older (Post 1259435)

A really good post. Valid points. Jon really should write about things he know...

Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1259436)

The dude hangs out with the Clintons. What could he actually know about real people, or working class ??

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1259437)

Would anyone be opposed to a second thread about the album for news and updates and one for how bad the band is? Don't want to sound passive aggressive or sarcastic, just want to be excited about this.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1259434)

I know you related this to politics, but that's what strikes me with him constantly addressing socially relevant issues in his lyrics in the last decade. He's not writing about something he's really experienced or can relate to, thus the lyrics being a bubble of easily strung together clichés.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1259438)

Yeah, this. I don't think you need to "hang" with poor people to understand their problems but Jon does everything to avoid the group of people he writes about. If anything he's using them as a selling point, really.