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Butters 09-19-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1266973)
I've been reading reviews on YouTube and multiple Facebook postings about DWYC

Most just talk about how inspiring the song is, etc. No one really says that they like the song because it's a great song. Its just more about Jon's message within the song.

The other group who dislike it, mainly dislike it because of Jon's voice.

That's the general consensus out there. And no, I'm not just making that up as a bitter fan either.

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Look, anyone with a workable set of ears knows that Jon cannot sing anymore. Lots of people will be hearing the state of his voice for the first time and will be shocked because they will only know how he used to sound.

Hardcore fans have witnessed his decline over a long period of time now and have adjusted their expectations. It's simply impossible to have a great song from a singer who can't sing. Bon Jovi will never make a great song again but they may make a catchy song or one that's reasonably enjoyable.

bjcrazycpa 09-19-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1266973)
I've been reading reviews on YouTube and multiple Facebook postings about DWYC

Most just talk about how inspiring the song is, etc. No one really says that they like the song because it's a great song. Its just more about Jon's message within the song.

The other group who dislike it, mainly dislike it because of Jon's voice.

That's the general consensus out there. And no, I'm not just making that up as a bitter fan either.

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I'd never think you were making anything up. I am still surprised you care so much what others think. I love Limitless everyone else hates it and I'm totally fine with that difference of opinion and I still have that song on my top plays right now. I don't go look for people that like it to validate my opinion.


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polevka 09-19-2020 07:41 PM

The country version works. Good song!

wichi850262 09-19-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by polevka (Post 1266976)
The country version works. Good song!

Yes, it's not surprising yet still amazing that an energetic, dynamic voice can lift a song. I do like it a lot more. We just need Tico to add a real drum line to it.

Ms. Nettles should do the harmonies in all of BJ's other songs on this album now - maybe even a 2nd countryesque album like Lost Highway? I wouldn't say no to that.

rolo_tomachi 09-19-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1266973)
I've been reading reviews on YouTube and multiple Facebook postings about DWYC

Most just talk about how inspiring the song is, etc. No one really says that they like the song because it's a great song. Its just more about Jon's message within the song.

The other group who dislike it, mainly dislike it because of Jon's voice.

That's the general consensus out there. And no, I'm not just making that up as a bitter fan either.

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Why worry so much about the voice when the problem is with the whole song? It sounds like a toy song to me, everything sounds weak boring. If you put the voice of Jon from 1995, it would not improve much, because the main problem with the song is not that. The positive part is the message, ok, but not only a good intention is enough ...



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Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1266974)
Look, anyone with a workable set of ears knows that Jon cannot sing anymore. Lots of people will be hearing the state of his voice for the first time and will be shocked because they will only know how he used to sound.

Hardcore fans have witnessed his decline over a long period of time now and have adjusted their expectations. It's simply impossible to have a great song from a singer who can't sing. Bon Jovi will never make a great song again but they may make a catchy song or one that's reasonably enjoyable.

To make a great song you don't need to have a great voice, so what about singers like Dylan or Petty?. They are great composers who end up falling in love more with the lyrics of their songs than with the quality of their voice.
Jon lost his voice, ok, but he also lost his energy, something that has always characterized him, and making great hit songs based on good writing would be the way to go, but for that you have to try hard, be patient, and let them muses be on your side.

Also have to be brave and confident to take that step (Jon, you did These Days). I think Jon can still make great songs (A Teardrop to the Sea), but he seems to take another path (ironically the same as always), a shame.


Hopefully Jon has a couple of aces in the 2020 album.

Butters 09-19-2020 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1266978)

To make a great song you don't need to have a great voice, so what about singers like Dylan or Petty?. They are great composers who end up falling in love more with the lyrics of their songs than with the quality of their voice.
Jon lost his voice, ok, but he also lost his energy, something that has always characterized him, and making great hit songs based on good writing would be the way to go, but for that you have to try hard, be patient, and let them muses be on your side.

Also have to be brave and confident to take that step (Jon, you did These Days). I think Jon can still make great songs (A Teardrop to the Sea), but he seems to take another path (ironically the same as always), a shame.


Hopefully Jon has a couple of aces in the 2020 album.

I have no doubt that Jon's vocal decline is the cause of his poor song writing. It's difficult to take risks, be adventerous, and be unique when your main instrument is completely broken.

The guys you are referring to never had a good voice. Jon really did have an amazing voice and the better his voice got (1985 thru 1995), the better his song writing became. It's no suprise that the quality of songwriting is stongly correlated with the quality of (and confidence he has in) his voice.

jon-flp 09-19-2020 11:29 PM

Anyone knows how to watch tonight's show? (Outside US)

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Captain_jovi 09-19-2020 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1266981)
I have no doubt that Jon's vocal decline is the cause of his poor song writing. It's difficult to take risks, be adventerous, and be unique when your main instrument is completely broken.

The guys you are referring to never had a good voice. Jon really did have an amazing voice and the better his voice got (1985 thru 1995), the better his song writing became. It's no suprise that the quality of songwriting is stongly correlated with the quality of (and confidence he has in) his voice.

Is it though? Burning Bridges had a handful of songs that showed he can still write half decent songs and we all know the state his voice was in in 2015. I think he can do it but just isn't confident enough that it'll sell (but just puts out shlock that still won't sell but is more "accessible" I guess?)

rolo_tomachi 09-19-2020 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1266981)
I have no doubt that Jon's vocal decline is the cause of his poor song writing. It's difficult to take risks, be adventerous, and be unique when your main instrument is completely broken.

The guys you are referring to never had a good voice. Jon really did have an amazing voice and the better his voice got (1985 thru 1995), the better his song writing became. It's no suprise that the quality of songwriting is stongly correlated with the quality of (and confidence he has in) his voice.

The written songs of "These Days" era had nothing to do with the vocal moment, but rather, the musical movement and feels that was chewed up those years. However Jon said that despite being a darker album, he had the best moments of his life. The key is to show yourself that you can do something different than what you have done so far. Jon is repeating himself too much, a twist, I just ask for a twist in this eternal loop. Or maybe it's late ... everything is done and we will only have this infinite echo.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1266986)
Is it though? Burning Bridges had a handful of songs that showed he can still write half decent songs and we all know the state his voice was in in 2015. I think he can do it but just isn't confident enough that it'll sell (but just puts out shlock that still won't sell but is more "accessible" I guess?)


Touché.

rolo_tomachi 09-19-2020 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jon-flp (Post 1266985)
Anyone knows how to watch tonight's show? (Outside US)

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That is a good question. I'm still interested in hearing the new songs, if he plays any on iheartradio.


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