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Santa Fe 08-08-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1266157)
2020 is a Jbj solo album for the main part.



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Probably It will be :o

hackster73 08-08-2020 03:04 PM

11 days is nothing, he was a fly on the wall for most of that too. Jon wrote all but 2 songs on his own, this is his album with the band doing little more than session work.

Phil X is taking the money, living the dream by playing in front of big crowds in some great venues but he is a hired hand, no more and no less, shackled by the Jon vision. He has one solo on 2020 which is Beautiful Drug. I would think the majority of guitar work on the album is Shanks.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1266147)
???? He said they spent 11 days in Nashville working with the band. How did you get "one solo and some rhythm" out of what he said?


Rdkopper 08-08-2020 06:01 PM

I'm sorry but Jon is just so far removed from what he used to be, I think he's done.

The whole socially conscience themed content rubbed me the wrong way from day 1. If I have to hear that 2020 is an election year one more time, I'm gonna puke.

1. I don't care which way he leans politically, now is not the time for an album like this. His goal is to get people to lean a certain way for the election which is why people are going to hate him for it and all he's doing is sucking the asses of the media. Just like his Stephen Colbert interview a few years back. If there is a time to distance yourself from politics, it's now Jon!!!

2. Sure, Bounce was a socially conscience album about 911 but we were all united as a country back then. All this shit is going to do is divide people more.

3. Yes, Jon has gone down this road before but back then the lyrics were so brilliantly written, it wasn't blatantly obvious and you had to think about what he was talking about. "I believe, with every breath that I breathe, you and me can turn a whisper to a scream" not "Chicken Coops" and all this over shit he comes up with.

4. "There is a song about Stormy Daniels"!!! Who gives a ****!!! Just because Jon has a hard on for Trump over that Footballs team, nobody wants to hear a ****ing song about Stormy Daniels.

5. Jon needs to get back to his roots and just write a fun mixed album with some slower ballads, some rockers, and just guitar strumming happy songs. I want Jannie Don't Take Your Love To Town part 2... He's just overly serious and it's just destroying his music.

6. He needs to spend more time in the studio vocally. Maybe hire someone who really understands his voice that can maximize it in a studio. His voice on Unbroken and American Reckoning in combination with them being sang in one note with speeds slower than a turtle, make them unlistenable. And then add in certain lyrics... It's just all so bad.

7. He needs to pend more time creating melodies, intros, hooks, etc... Instead of leaving it all to Shanks.

8. Shanks and Phil combined can't not fulfill the creative chemistry that Richie had so Jon should hire a real guitar player who could.

- Get a guy like Jeff Beck
- Hire some girls to do some backing vocals.
- Get someone in like he did with Elton or Little Richard to do backing vocals.
- Have Tico beat the shit out of a drum

angelsambo 08-08-2020 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1266160)

8. Shanks and Phil combined can't not fulfill the creative chemistry that Richie had so Jon should hire a real guitar player who could.

it's not phil's fault,
phil showed jon tons of ideas

bonjovi90 08-08-2020 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1266161)
it's not phil's fault,

phil showed jon tons of ideas

And you know that how?

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Captain_jovi 08-09-2020 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1266155)
TBH, Matt, I think it's semantics more than anything else.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what's being said, across the board; but it seems to go back to the difference between playing on a song vs influencing a song. If people pay attention to the credits and what's said in interviews, it's clearly stated that the band played on the songs; so I don't think that's their issue. (Or maybe it is, and they refuse to believe what they read.) It seems more like the real question is 'Does it make any difference that they played on it?'

I'm not trying to throw your own words back at you; but I thought about all this when I read a post you made, about this same issue, on the DWYC thread. And, frankly, it didn't seem to me that you guys were really all that far apart in what you were saying.



At the end of the day, if it's all so watered-down, as you put it, why does it matter? If the band, or X, don't have enough control over what they contribute for people to recognize, I agree it's ultimately a Jon issue. But if it's true, then I don't see a significant difference between "the band played on it" vs "it's just Jon and Shanks" (i.e., another Jon and Shanks product).

It does seem to make a big difference to you, though; and I'd like to understand why or, at least, know what it is that I'm missing. Just for my own personal edification... :)

I think it's just important because it negates the "This is a Jon album" rhetoric and it's session people etc. If someone is there playing on it from day 1 until the mastered version it's a band song at the end of the day. It's cool to hate it on if the quality isn't there but people are talking out their asses to trash something that doesn't fit their own narrative.

Captain_jovi 08-09-2020 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1266159)
11 days is nothing, he was a fly on the wall for most of that too. Jon wrote all but 2 songs on his own, this is his album with the band doing little more than session work.

Phil X is taking the money, living the dream by playing in front of big crowds in some great venues but he is a hired hand, no more and no less, shackled by the Jon vision. He has one solo on 2020 which is Beautiful Drug. I would think the majority of guitar work on the album is Shanks.

You're finding stuff to get pissed about. It wasn't 11 days of recording total, it was 11 days doing the bed tracks with further overdubs happening afterwords. 11 days to record 10 tracks is NOT that difficult especially given the basic-ness of these tracks. It's cool you don't like it but 11 days does not equal one solo and a bit of rhythm, that's a point you got to on your own. No one has said the album only has one solo, he's said that's his favourite one and his chance to shine a little.

Supersonic 08-09-2020 07:08 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1266161)
it's not phil's fault,
phil showed jon tons of ideas

Even if this were true it'd not mean much as Phil's ideas for his own albums haven't been particularly great either.

As for this being a band album or not; it's obviously not. It sounds like Shanks featuring Jon Bon Jovi as far as I'm concerned. Bon Jovi haven't sounded like Bon Jovi in well over a decade because of how little the band has got to do with this. The fact that the other guys played on it for about 11 days means **** all and is just grasping for straws to say "Look, they're on it, a step in the right direction!".

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

hackster73 08-09-2020 08:59 AM

Absolutely spot on, this is the issue.. it is the Jon and Shanks express making a quick stop at band station.

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1266166)
Aloha !



Even if this were true it'd not mean much as Phil's ideas for his own albums haven't been particularly great either.

As for this being a band album or not; it's obviously not. It sounds like Shanks featuring Jon Bon Jovi as far as I'm concerned. Bon Jovi haven't sounded like Bon Jovi in well over a decade because of how little the band has got to do with this. The fact that the other guys played on it for about 11 days means **** all and is just grasping for straws to say "Look, they're on it, a step in the right direction!".

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan


hackster73 08-09-2020 09:09 AM

The one thing I do know is that Phil X would not be making music like Bon Jovi, he is a completely different artist, listen to his band if you haven't already.

This is problematic for me, you have hired hands playing Jon's music and not really being into it heart and soul.

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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1266161)
it's not phil's fault,
phil showed jon tons of ideas



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