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I'm sure this was explained somewhere in the last ten pages but why is Dave unable to play with the band at this show?
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David was so proud of This House Is Not For Sale...
Who knows about this album. But it seems this album is very Jon Bon Jovi and well Shanks... Phil X: https://www.instagram.com/p/CEfB8QSggaM/ |
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The issue is.....is it Jbj releasing a new Bon Jovi album or Bon Jovi? It’s Bon Jovi so wait until everyone is available as it’s not 100% live. What’s the rush to record a performance that isn’t going out for weeks? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Well, it's kinda strange that in 35+ years he only missed 1 show due to him winning a Tony. Even when his Dad died in 2003 during the Bounce tour he didn't miss a show.
Now the band wants to record a show. It isn't live and there's no date for a release yet. So I can't see a reason why it's impossible to make it happen with the full band. Covid-19 may make it tougher to get it all done. But it's still a matter of planning they have to do one way or another. And nobody can tell me that both recordings were a last-minute-decision... |
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Wow, Tico doesn't even look like Tico. |
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Look, I don't like it either but being put in a situation where it's two big machines fighting for time, I don't know how people can look at it with a "David doesn't care" or "Jon should wait" glasses. The months of planning of promo materials went right out the window for both projects and I think people are being naive when they assume it's just a day's work they'd need to sort out, the rehearsals are the real time killer. |
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I think it is okay though. I'm sure - and I would expect as much - that Dave values his broadway work moreso than he does his band duties. I am also sure that Jon values prep for his album moreso than having specific band members present. It isn't 2005 anymore. |
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Don't forget too this isn't just about Dave. There are engineers, musicians, all the singers that would have been booked to record on this day, they would have kept their schedules free for this. To just cancel on them at a moments notice isn't really fair. Some sessions musicians may also have a cut off date for cancellations, so they may have even had to pay them if he had cancelled. Same with studio time.
I have no doubt that Jon would have known Dave was booked when he decided on this, so let's not just blame Dave saying that he isn't commited to the band. Every band of a certain level has to have some kind of shared calendar where they add in dates and times that they are booked with other work. You also have to remember that Dave is still builidng his repuation for this side of his career, letting people down because of his other job will not build confidence for him in the scene...and I'm sure that Jon understands all of this. Is it really any different from when the started WAN without Richie because he was touring/promoting aftermath? A one off performace isn't even as important as making a new album.... |
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Though the timelines of WAN are murky, I could swear someone, maybe Hugh, saying the album was done almost a full year before release and Richie started work on Aftermath just after WAN was completed but whooooo knows. |
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WAN was released in Mar 2013. Shanks said they started working on it in Oct 2011 and it took "about a year". Richie's album came out in Sept 2012, so there's no way he could have started on Aftermath after WAN was completed. Unless Hugh was perhaps referring to the song, What About Now. |
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I may be remembering things wrong, the old grey cells are not what they used to be haha. I'm probably mixing up the time lines, but in my mind, Richie always joined the recording (not neccessary the writing, as that could have been stared much earlier) for WAN late....I remember an interview with Richie saying that he got a call from Jon but told him he had to wait for him as he was busy with Aftermath being released. Maybe it was beginning the tour and not recording the album? I thought this was around the same time that Tico said he didn't want to come and work on the demos, but maybe not...
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Actually I don't care who's to blame or not. But since there are already more hired-guns onstage than original members, even if all remaining original members are there, I don't think it's a smart move to go on if one of those original members can't participate. |
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And no, I don't know anything for sure. But neither do you. So I guess we're once again agreeing to disagree on that one ;) |
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Would be interesting to see whether they release it before the album comes out. |
I think we’ll see it sooner rather than later. It’s just a feeling! There was a picture of Jon being interviewed with an iHeart radio microphone on Instagram (Joe Lewis Company). I don’t think they’d record it without David unless it was to be released soon. Jon also said “very, very soon” on the Hampton Water after party.
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Are they quarantined before rehearsals and such? That puts a BIG damper on logistics as prep time between 1 project would need about 14 days difference between the other ending. Dave is just busy with his thing, it happens....
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18th and 19th September - as per Jon on Instagram
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who will listen to the 30-second snippets ?
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I absolutely will, I need something to make me feel "okay" about this album.
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Does anyone have the link to the website that uploads songs snippets before anyone else? I remember Knockout was available on there before anywhere else but I can't remember what the site is called.
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Here is a website that discusses more of Bon Jovi's 2020 Album track listing:
https://www.darkside.ru/news/news-it...22751&dlang=en "2020" track listing with songwriter credits: 01. Limitless (Jon Bon Jovi, Billy Falcon, John Shanks) 02. Do What You Can (Jon Bon Jovi) 03. American Reckoning (Jon Bon Jovi) 04. Beautiful Drug (Jon Bon Jovi, Billy Falcon, John Shanks) 05. Story Of Love (Jon Bon Jovi) 06. Let It Rain (Jon Bon Jovi) 07. Lower The Flag (Jon Bon Jovi) 08. Blood In The Water (Jon Bon Jovi) 09. Brothers In Arms (Jon Bon Jovi) 10. Unbroken (Jon Bon Jovi) Sure, "2020" is filled with fist in the air anthems and ballads that have rocked stadiums for the last 35 years. However, "2020" bears witness to the events that are shaping the world today. Jon Bon Jovi delves into socially conscious matters such as soldiers dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder ("Unbroken", featured in the documentary "To Be Of Service"), gun violence ("Lower The Flag"), our shared social experience ("Let It Rain", "Brothers In Arms") and the political climate ("Blood In The Water"). The album — which follows the band's 2016 No. 1 release, "This House is Not For Sale" — also finds the group coming out of the other side of a period of great change. Once again co-produced by John Shanks and Jon Bon Jovi, the record features the entire touring band — keyboardist David Bryan, drummer Tico Torres, bassist Hugh McDonald, guitarist Phil X, percussionist Everett Bradley, and guitarist John Shanks. "I have a very clear vision of who and what the band is, and what this record was meant to be," said Bon Jovi. The title, an allusion to the forthcoming presidential election year, features Jon on the album cover standing in front of the New York City courthouse in sunglasses, with an image of the American flag waving inside the frames. The imagery was inspired by a photograph of President John F. Kennedy, deep in thought before addressing a crowd. "It's not a distinctly political record, but it's an election year so there is a wryness in the title 2020. This record had to encompass different themes, not just politics, but the state of our world today, life, love and loss," said Bon Jovi. "2020" starts with a clear perspective, launching with the first explosive rock song "Beautiful Drug". Enveloped by crunchy guitars, Jon asks the listener to "hear my confession, it's a blessing/ it's a curse," but ultimately surmises, "love is a beautiful drug." The band makes its mission statement extremely clear with the lead single, "Limitless", an upbeat anthem encouraging optimism in an uncertain world. The listener is implored to seize the day, as everyone is "trying to keep your head above water," and don't be afraid to go through that open door, because "life is limitless." Jon pulls the listener closer for a real conversation with "Unbroken", written for the documentary "To Be Of Service". Jon sings of a soldier's journey through training, war and returning home with "dreams the devil shouldn't see", asking the eternal question "was it worth it to be of service in the end?" "It was a difficult song to write because I had never served and I wanted to honor those who served in a very honest way," Jon said. "I wanted to write something those men and women could be proud of. I was looking for a twist in the lyrics where the soldier who is an idealist, comes back and finds that once they hang up the uniform, the thing that they're so identified by is no longer what identifies them. These men and women come back and have to adjust to being a civilian. They are certainly never going to be the same. I wrote the song and at the very end, I was moved when the soldiers in the film said 'I'd do it again'." "Luv Can" is a simple prayer, with Jon singing "I wish I could fill your empty/right that wrong/make it fair." While the song on the surface could be taken as romantic love, Jon explains the context as "more spiritual." There's a religious undercurrent here. It doesn't have to just be a relationship. It really can be your Creator." The song ends on a hopeful note, that "luv will let you live again." That quiet reflection is shaken up with the next track, "Brothers In Arms", which opens with a swampy riff and lyrics of social relevance and a not-so-subtle reference to NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick, with Jon singing "don't you step out of line/don't re-write or define/ what it means to see a man take a knee." The song came to Jon while in Alabama during football season, and the lyrics started pouring out. "where's my better days? where's my Jesus saves?" "We all have this shared social experience called America. Who is going to finally bring this nation, to a place where we can all be brothers and sisters? That's what I was thinking when I wrote the song." "The Story Of Love" touches on the theme of parenthood, opening with the lines "Fathers love daughters like mother love sons." That touching lyric was inspired by Jon's own family. " I sat down to write a song for my children." The song takes a journey through the circle of life, where suddenly the child becomes the parents and the parents are getting older "I realized I was writing it about my entire family, my children, my wife and my parents. From Hello to Goodbye, that's the story of love. With that beautiful family portrait in mind, Jon then forces the question: what if that family were ripped apart by senseless tragedy? That nightmarish scenario is at the heart of the haunting track "Lower The Flag". The song opens solemnly, "Word just came from Upstate Joe/Lower the flag again/this time it's Dayton, Southwest Ohio/ Last night El Paso, Texas, counted 22 dead." The lyrics then lament that the news cycle will move on before there is even time to grieve, while the narrator questions "what if it was your loved one lying in the ground?" The song simply features Jon on guitar and concludes with the narrator reciting the names of cities caught in the crossfire, including Las Vegas, Nevada, Sandy Hook Elementary, Orlando, Florida, and Columbine. I was thinking, what if it was my own family? Imagine the pain you would feel if it was your wife, your kids, your husband." With that, Bon Jovi calls for a cleansing of the spirit with "Let It Rain", asking "who is going to stop the rain from falling down?" and reminding us that "wherever there is hurting/ there is healing on the way/like sunshine breaking through a cloudy day." The last verse — "somewhere there's a church bell/ that's summoning the choir/somewhere there's a dreamer who would walk 1,000 miles" is a throwback to the "Young Guns" era. "I hadn't written anything like that in a long time. I like it because of the social justice of it, and taking a stand and saying let's purge ourselves of all of the hurt and hate and division, but who's going to be the one to stop it? Who's going to be the ones that unify us? So, let it rain and let's let the sun shine through." When those clouds dissipate and the stars come out, the band returns to the personal with "Shine", the penultimate track on the record. A classic BON JOVI love song, it sweetly states "nothing lights up my sky like watching you shine." "You can think of it as your significant other or a child that's grown up in front of you," Jon says of the song. The album closer, "Blood In The Water", was written in 2018, highlighting the gravity of the lyric "I'm no cable news reporter/ they got nothing new to say/I'm the voice of the new order/ the star of Anarchy today. I'm the comments you keep reading/ at the bottom off the page/I'm real power/I'm a Patriot/I'm a Russian hack by trade." |
I broke down the new lyrics in case anyone wants to skim:
Beautiful Drug: "hear my confession, it's a blessing/ it's a curse" "love is a beautiful drug." Luv Can: "I wish I could fill your empty/right that wrong/make it fair." "luv will let you live again." Brothers In Arms: "don't you step out of line/don't re-write or define/ what it means to see a man take a knee." "where's my better days? where's my Jesus saves?" The Story Of Love: Fathers love daughters like mother love sons." "From Hello to Goodbye, that's the story of love." Lower The Flag: "Word just came from Upstate Joe/Lower the flag again/this time it's Dayton, Southwest Ohio/ Last night El Paso, Texas, counted 22 dead." "what if it was your loved one lying in the ground?" Let It Rain: "who is going to stop the rain from falling down?" "wherever there is hurting/ there is healing on the way/like sunshine breaking through a cloudy day." "somewhere there's a church bell/ that's summoning the choir/somewhere there's a dreamer who would walk 1,000 miles" Shine: "nothing lights up my sky like watching you shine." Blood in the Water: "I'm no cable news reporter/ they got nothing new to say/I'm the voice of the new order/ the star of Anarchy today. I'm the comments you keep reading/ at the bottom off the page/I'm real power/I'm a Patriot/I'm a Russian hack by trade." Hands down Blood in the Water's lyrics got me the most excited. |
Some decent lyrics.
Can't wait for the usual people to complain about them, though. Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk |
This album cannot be worse than what my expectations are for it so anything I end up liking is a bonus.At this moment I'm only really interested in Beautiful Drug and Let it rain.
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For example, some of the stuff on Young Guns II with today's music and vocals would be embarassing as hell, back then, it was made for you rolling down the windows and singing it into the night on top of your lungs :) |
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