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Xavi 12-13-2018 09:37 AM
For me,it is the first time since I become a fan,back in 1994,that Im not excited about the idea of having a new Bon Jovi album.
And it has nothing to be with Jons voice,with no Richie in the band or those kind of things.
Im tired of Johns Shanks records.Tired of his sound,of his way of producing,tired of his songs arrangements,etc.
I have the feeling of,without being created,having already listened to the new album.
I know it has been debated many times on this board,but I had to say it.
I think Jon should change producer,should write with other people,should change things,but we all know he is very comfortable by John Shanks shadow,so..

steel_horse75 12-13-2018 10:05 AM
JBJ should get outside writers in as the last 2 or 3 albums show - he is out of ideas.
Ditch Yes man Shanks and get someone in who can get the band to produce something they havent for nearly 20 years - an all killer no filler rock album.

Jovi98 12-13-2018 10:54 AM
I hope that after the new album there will be a Box set with Outtakes/ unreleased songs…. kind (Mona Lisa, One to Say Goodbye, Closer, Rage of Angels etc.…)

Alphavictim 12-13-2018 08:57 PM
I dug Walls; we'll see.

Rdkopper 12-13-2018 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1249485)
I hope that after the new album there will be a Box set with Outtakes/ unreleased songs…. kind (Mona Lisa, One to Say Goodbye, Closer, Rage of Angels etc.…)
No... it's all new material...

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bonjovi90 12-13-2018 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1249497)
No... it's all new material...

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He said that he hopes for some Box Set kind of release after the next album. Wasn't there talk of Jon thinking about the release of the original Sex Sells album on Crush's 20th anniversary?

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Rdkopper 12-13-2018 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1249504)
He said that he hopes for some Box Set kind of release after the next album. Wasn't there talk of Jon thinking about the release of the original Sex Sells album on Crush's 20th anniversary?

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I'd love to see that quote...

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bonjovi90 12-13-2018 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1249510)
I'd love to see that quote...

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I think someone here had posted that rumour. However, it could've been nothing but just that.

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TheOriginalJez 12-14-2018 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1249496)
I dug Walls; we'll see.
I'm with you, and as a result hope there's no new album until late 2019 at the earliest - there's not been any studio pedal shots on Phil's twitter, so if there is a record nearly done then it's all MOR Shanks guitar. Of course, he could be the last guy involved, as he was with THINFS, just to rehash the solo's and do a few BVs but Walls and WWWU both evidently had Shanks and Phil working together in LA on BVs and guitars, so there's (hopefully) no reason to think that would be the case.

Also, and I know this won't happen, Phil did say he'd love to write with Jon at some point... maybe we could get one... you can't fault the Drills on riffs and he did write which is like 80% lyrically acceptable for Jovi. Ok, so maybe he shouldn't write the words, but the music is awesome.

Rdkopper 12-18-2018 03:27 AM
Jon said the albums not completely written but he's happy what he has so far.

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Jovi98 01-08-2019 01:06 PM
The writing process of the new album continues…


https://www.instagram.com/p/BsU9ADuHxlQ/

angelsambo 01-08-2019 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1249963)
The writing process of the new album continues…


https://www.instagram.com/p/BsU9ADuHxlQ/
let's show john shanks some love

faith1985 01-08-2019 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1249965)
let's show john shanks some love
For stereotyped pics and his 'guitar porn'?

His style is cheesy and boring so no thanks. Jon goes for yes-people and John kisses his butt. One of the reasons they are a medicore band.

angelsambo 01-08-2019 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1249966)
His style is cheesy and boring so no thanks.
it was an ironic comment,i don't like his work at all

faith1985 01-08-2019 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1249967)
it was an ironic comment,i don't like his work at all
He is there because he is Jon's friend, not because he is good. I don't mind neither him or Phil but they just don't fit Bon Jovi at all.

Captain_jovi 01-08-2019 08:56 PM
He is there because he is good. That's the problem, he's there because he's good at what he does and speeds up the process.

faith1985 01-08-2019 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1249970)
He is there because he is good. That's the problem, he's there because he's good at what he does and speeds up the process.
Good at what? His guitar playing isn't great, neither are his songs. So in what way is he good?

Captain_jovi 01-08-2019 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1249973)
Good at what? His guitar playing isn't great, neither are his songs. So in what way is he good?
Saying he's not good at guitar because you don't like his style is a little much. If you have a problem with him and what he's done to the band that's a whole 'nother subject. Dude can play. It's what he's playing with the band that is very very vanilla meh.

faith1985 01-09-2019 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1249974)
Saying he's not good at guitar because you don't like his style is a little much. If you have a problem with him and what he's done to the band that's a whole 'nother subject. Dude can play. It's what he's playing with the band that is very very vanilla meh.
Of course he can play guitar. But he is not 'great' enough for such a big band. Richie messed up a lot but he had an unique style, Shanks doesn't. Same with Phil. He might be a great guitar player but he is lacking soul in his playing.

steel_horse75 01-09-2019 09:33 AM
The 2019 Unnamed Album
 
As long as shanks is involved with the band the sound and style will never interest me.

The last couple of albums have been turd and I expect the new one will be as well.

They’ve written too many duff albums to make me think they can come back with even a 7/10 effort.


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Jovi98 01-09-2019 01:34 PM
I think that we gotta be happy that a new album are coming because every new album is " a new world to discover" , for me the last two albums are good albums…., obviously the stile is changed , for example i prefer Bounce and Have a Nice Day than THINFS for various reasons but also THINFS is ok :) anyway…. i'm Always happy to hear new songs and i hope that after new album Jon he decides to release another Box Set.…

what do you aspect from the new album?

faith1985 01-09-2019 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1249985)
I think that we gotta be happy that a new album are coming because every new album is " a new world to discover" , for me the last two albums are good albums…., obviously the stile is changed , for example i prefer Bounce and Have a Nice Day than THINFS for various reasons but also THINFS is ok :) anyway…. i'm Always happy to hear new songs and i hope that after new album Jon he decides to release another Box Set.…

what do you aspect from the new album?
I thought most of the songs on THINFS are middle-of-the-road songs (I actually liked the bonus tracks) but there is not one song (apart from LWTG) I go back to. Lyrically it was too spiteful (not that I expect too much). I hope that we wont get too many cliched lyrics and I really hope I will like at least 2 or 3 songs.

bonjovi90 01-09-2019 04:28 PM
I'm hoping for:
- anything that goes off the beaten pattern
- a different sound, the last four albums were pretty much interchangeable
- actual themes and not observations and the state of the economy
- some musical depth, no matter in what form

I'm expecting:
- What About Now part 4

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Eveline 01-09-2019 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1249987)
I'm hoping for:
- anything that goes off the beaten pattern
- a different sound, the last four albums were pretty much interchangeable
- actual themes and not observations and the state of the economy
- some musical depth, no matter in what form

I'm expecting:
- What About Now part 4
God, so true! New album - bad. No album - bad. We're fu**ed anyway *tears up*

Walleris 01-09-2019 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1249988)
God, so true! New album - bad. No album - bad. We're fu**ed anyway *tears up*
Wrong.

I am totally fine with Jon never putting out another mediocre album or playing another sad show with his current voice and protecting whatever Bon Jovi legacy there's still left.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1249987)
I'm hoping for:
- anything that goes off the beaten pattern
- a different sound, the last four albums were pretty much interchangeable
- actual themes and not observations and the state of the economy
- some musical depth, no matter in what form

I'm expecting:
- What About Now part 4

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I echo these with one more 'hope' - I hope Jon has something to say. While the production of THINFS was the usual crap, the songwriting had some good moments. Most of us liked the songs like Living With The Ghost or God Bless This Mess, not because they're 'timeless and universal', but because they were very identifiable as to what was Jon going through in his life which he described in those songs - breaking up with Richie (LWTG) and getting old and declining and coming to terms with it (GBTM). However, if Walls and When We Were Us anything to go by, he already emptied his gas tank on those inspirations, so I don't expect much.

Eveline 01-09-2019 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1249989)
Wrong.

I am totally fine with Jon never putting out another mediocre album or playing another sad show with his current voice and protecting whatever Bon Jovi legacy there's still left.
OK, got the cues. What I'm looking for is the lyrics. It somehow doesn't fail to deliver. The most profound lines about the real pain, the real ache.

faith1985 01-10-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1249989)
Wrong.

I am totally fine with Jon never putting out another mediocre album or playing another sad show with his current voice and protecting whatever Bon Jovi legacy there's still left.



I echo these with one more 'hope' - I hope Jon has something to say. While the production of THINFS was the usual crap, the songwriting had some good moments. Most of us liked the songs like Living With The Ghost or God Bless This Mess, not because they're 'timeless and universal', but because they were very identifiable as to what was Jon going through in his life which he described in those songs - breaking up with Richie (LWTG) and getting old and declining and coming to terms with it (GBTM). However, if Walls and When We Were Us anything to go by, he already emptied his gas tank on those inspirations, so I don't expect much.
I actually quite liked WWWU. If they put out something they like I am not here to really judge it, it is what it is and if I don't like it, it is my problem.
I hope for the same as most of us, though.

Thinny 01-10-2019 01:31 PM
I think WWWU and Walls is probably a good indication of where the next album will take us. I like Walls as a song, but that's not what I want from Bon Jovi. WWWU just seemed like an attempt to capitalize on the Hall Of Fame induction.

Jovi98 01-10-2019 01:33 PM
I have a teory about THINFS.... maybe many songs " with rage and pain" have been discarded from the session of 2015 for THINFS after that Jon is returned with the universal for varies reason.... between Jon , the label etc...

steel_horse75 01-10-2019 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1249997)
I think WWWU and Walls is probably a good indication of where the next album will take us. I like Walls as a song, but that's not what I want from Bon Jovi. WWWU just seemed like an attempt to capitalize on the Hall Of Fame induction.
Id prefer an album of Burning Bridges tracks (except Finger prints).
But yeah the pop pap of Walls and WWWU is where this album is heading.

liljovi93 01-10-2019 02:53 PM
Personally quite like Walls and WWWU. I did originally like Walls more as I felt it was slightly different but I much prefer WWWU now. As always, I think it's the production that's the problem.

I'm still a big fan of THINFS as an album in all honesty. It's obviously not as good as when it first come out for me but I still think it has some solid songs. A mixture of BB and THINFS as we've said in the past would be a great album.

I'm not sure how I feel on the band being back in the studio. I'll always welcome new material but what's Jon got to write about? What's he going to sound like? How different will it be? Is it going to be released in time for European tour or after?

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steel_horse75 01-10-2019 03:38 PM
Agree that Walls was the better of the newer 2.

YOVANAfromPeru 01-10-2019 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1249963)
The writing process of the new album continues…


https://www.instagram.com/p/BsU9ADuHxlQ/
So JBJ is writing with Shanks, IIRC in that Australia Q&A, JBJ said about Phil X's writing "it's just not neccesary"
Who knows what JBJ’s “artistic needs” now are but I would like the new album to sound kinda like a live record and beside good melodies and lyrics I also would like memorable guitar solos

ksanova 01-10-2019 08:57 PM
I think they must recorder with others people like return with Bob Rock

Captain_jovi 01-10-2019 09:38 PM
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No chance in hell.

bonjovi90 01-10-2019 11:04 PM
Not only that, I don't think it would fit right now anymore. I'm all for changing things up, but going back to Bob Rock isn't the solution in my eyes. Plus he's also done a couple of records after Bon Jovi that were quite bad sound wise in my book.

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Thinny 01-10-2019 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1250018)
Not only that, I don't think it would fit right now anymore. I'm all for changing things up, but going back to Bob Rock isn't the solution in my eyes. Plus he's also done a couple of records after Bon Jovi that were quite bad sound wise in my book.

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The difference is Bob Rock is not a yes man. He will not just agree with whatever Jon wants, he will challenge him and push him. And for that reason he would get the best out of Jon, rather than Shanks who just basically does whatever Jon wants. He also understands the dynamic of a rock band, and would not just focus on all things Jon. I think Bob would also encourage more of an involvement from Phil...

Obviously Bob is working with Richie right now, so it's never gonna happen, but I'd take a Bob Rock produced Bon Jovi album over a Shanks one any day of the week!

Jovi98 01-11-2019 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1250009)
So JBJ is writing with Shanks, IIRC in that Australia Q&A, JBJ said about Phil X's writing "it's just not neccesary"
Who knows what JBJ’s “artistic needs” now are but I would like the new album to sound kinda like a live record and beside good melodies and lyrics I also would like memorable guitar solos

I'd like on new album one song with the collaboration of Richie , but i think will not happen…..

I expect one album with sonority kind "Walls" , "Born Again Tomorrow" and "The Devil's In The Temple".

Captain_jovi 01-11-2019 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1250021)
The difference is Bob Rock is not a yes man. He will not just agree with whatever Jon wants, he will challenge him and push him. And for that reason he would get the best out of Jon, rather than Shanks who just basically does whatever Jon wants. He also understands the dynamic of a rock band, and would not just focus on all things Jon. I think Bob would also encourage more of an involvement from Phil...

Obviously Bob is working with Richie right now, so it's never gonna happen, but I'd take a Bob Rock produced Bon Jovi album over a Shanks one any day of the week!
I don't know that Bob Rock wouldn't just go along with things at this point. There's no way of knowing how much input he had into making RSO better but that was a mish mash of styles, there's no reason to think something similar wouldn't happen if he worked with the band again.

Thinny 01-11-2019 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1250033)
I don't know that Bob Rock wouldn't just go along with things at this point. There's no way of knowing how much input he had into making RSO better but that was a mish mash of styles, there's no reason to think something similar wouldn't happen if he worked with the band again.
RSO really has nothing to do with it, he came into that project very late when the songs were already written and a lot of it was recorded. If you've ever seen any footage of Bob in the studio he is very hands on and very opinionated, he certainly had his clashes in the studio when we worked with Metallica. I can't see Shanks really opposing anything Jon asks for...


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