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As good as 2020 is an album, Jon has to admit it has flopped worldwide. 1st week sales around the world of around 60k is nothing short of woeful . Who's to blame ? poor choice of singles ( nothing new )... lack of promo ?....Jon getting involved in politics ? Or is it down to the fact they have simply lost their audience with the continued change of sound ?
Like I said 2020 is a great album from start to finish in my opinion , a fantastic collection of songs . With them not touring this record at all now, should they go on to the next one, try n patch things up with Richie or should they call it a day ? I hope its the former , cant really see Jon wanting to go out like this, surly he would want the final tour/album with the original 5 or at least Richie back by his side.! Sod the trends, release a proper Rock album, the fans want it and see what happens. All bands have dips but jovi are in a deep hole and need to get out of it. |
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Think you summed it up by saying “sod the trends”....but Jon cant.
2020 is decent in places but it’s clearly not what Jovi fans want from Jovi. This time the fans haven’t bought it and because they can’t “sell” it with tickets the real numbers have been found out. The same terrible sales would have happened with THINFS as well. Jon’s paying the price for losing Richie, chasing trends and releasing music that fans don’t associate Jovi with. You need to know what your fans want (see Ac/Dc who have just sold 62,000 copies in UK of power up) and BJ fans having been dropping off album by album. The only thing that saves this band is a balls out rock album. Jon may not like the boy/girl songs but they are what he does best and the fans love most. Yes he can write about modern day stuff happening in the news but make it in the Hey God way. Plus if a certain someone come back interest would be much higher. The partnership would be back and songs would be better. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
i think its time for changes...
2020 was a great record but imho jon must move on, get Richie back, write some more songs, change the producer jon shanks to fresh things up and and try to sell the come back in a way... he could really open the vault and share some great moments to remind everyone how good they used to be. try more intimate stuff like a small theater tour for promo reasons. he must get out of his comfort zone and try end this impressive career with a bang. i dont say he must retire but sadly bj cant go on forever, richie has problems, tico is not getting younger so he must look into all these and direct a great ending. Richie must come back, and they should try to deliver their best shot. |
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Jon doesn’t want to be known as a nostalgia act but that’s where they are now in my eyes .... AC/DC are far more relevant than jovi ... because they have such a big hard core following and also I know of non rock fans buying new album on the back of “ shot in the dark “ ... it was all over radio , tv adverts , billboard posters etc . Not sure why jon has insisted of moving with the times to stay relevant when it clearly hasn’t worked as the numbers drop with each record . They know the money is in reunion tours , the fans want it , surly the promotors have it in their minds for 40th anniversary tour ... it’s a no brained to me and I’m sure jon & Richie want it as well |
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I know it's a long shot and it probably won't happen but when Jon decides its time to hang it up I want Bon Jovi to reunite with Richie and just write and record a full blown rock album in the same vein as Slippery & New Jersey records. Just to pay tribute to the band's origins before they decided to hang it up for good. That's many years away because we all know Jon doesn't know when it time to stop and he's basically using Springsteen and Jagger as a gauge on when it's time to retire.
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I honestly think Jon's voice doesn't have the power to do songs like that anymore. A lot of consider 2010/2011 to be some of the best Jon has been post Crush and he really struggled with Let it Rock live even then. Bringing Richie back isn't going to undo all of Jon's problems. His harmonies will make it a hell of a lot better though.
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Now back to reality I'm sure Jon will continue his normal album schedule despite the non-existent touring schedule. I mean the longer the band is off the road Jon can write and record demos for the next album. If he's even in that state of mind yet. Touring wise I'm sure the band will start touring again soon, there are few other acts that have scheduled shows for 2021, GnR being one of em'. |
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Over here, one particular TV channel always has live stuff on on New Years, until way in the morning. There's stuff like ZZ Top, Prince, Metallica's S&M2... but this year, guess what else is gonna be shown? Bon Jovi 2020! Maybe they're trying to turn the whole thing around with the live show thing. Considering Kiss want $50 for their stream, that's not a bad idea. Of course, it also guarantees that it'll be doctored to hell and back...
But I'm not sure if the band / JBJ have let 2020 drop and sink just yet. |
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I really don't see any way for Bon Jovi to have a huge album or hit single now. Richie or no Richie, it's really not going to make much difference. I think those days are gone. However a farewell reunion tour with Richie would be friggin huge! I really don't see any other option other than the downward spiral that they are currently on...
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But what I will say album-wise when Jon wrote and record pop oriented songs like Born To Follow or the travesty which is Because We Can, Richie's vocals and guitar work kinda made it bearable. If you were to hypothetically remove Richie's vocals and guitar work from Born To Follow you would end up with it sounding like LImitless. |
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In 2019 on the european leg the attendance was pretty good considering the state the band was in. I would also really like to see Richie back but I think that a lot of people go to a Bon Jovi concert just it is called Bon Jovi. They don't care about the guitar player. 50% would probably go to a Bon Jovi concert without Jon Bon Jovi. I am not so sure that the attendance would be so much better at a reunion tour. I hope Jon does an reunion tour as long as Tico is able to perform. But Jon is a Businessman and if he doesn't gain something financially he won't do it. |
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edit: above comments were about UK shows. Not sure about US ticket sales wise. I also think that we care more about the "band" over here than the US audience. |
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Somehow I can't imagine Jon to ever make a farewell tour. It seems like not his style. But who knows...
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If I were Jon, I wouldn't have (had) the guts to charge people with those hideous vocals anymore. |
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Jon’s been hammered on here over the years for chasing trends, album sales and money. I’m surprised to see posters here say “2020 was good but it flopped so Jon needs to do something else.”
Personally, album sales don’t bother me. 2020 is a better album than most (if not all) of their post 2000 output. I also enjoyed THINFS after a couple of mediocre studio albums (WAN and TC). |
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They just to go back to what their good at. 2020 has some positive reviews but it’s not sold as fans aren’t buying it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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I'm not saying they would have blown the numbers doing those things right, but 2020 would certainly have done better. |
As much as I love this album, it was released in a terrible moment... Would make much more sense to just put it away and release it later... Or release just on streaming and stuff, sent to people that bought on the pre sale.
Personally what I would like them to do (but I know they won't because Jon doesnt like to "live in the past) it was a celebration in 2023 because of the 40th anniversary of the band. New compliation with 2-4 new songs, greatest hits tour, some vault stuff, nice promos and photos... |
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