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Bon Jovi and the songs they cleverly stole from others.
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With the arrival of the internet and music being more available it's also got fans from different bands together. I for one am a fan of the Stereophonics, and I've yet only met 1 person who's a fan of both bands. The internet has made it possible for people to read discussions about various artists, look up songs and suddenly people were able to discuss how they heard another song from a totally different genre in the latest Bon Jovi song. Here's the list of songs of which I am aware have been (partially) ripped off from other songs:
I know with some of them (Two Story Town) it might be co-incidental. With others (Stay Young) it's a direct rip off that makes me wonder why they haven't been sued yet, though I doubt Noel Gallagher has got any right to sue considering how much he nicked from other artists. :) Then there's the obvious list of songs on which you can sing the chorus to It's My Life to: 1. One Wild Night 2. Undivided 3. Bounce 4. Have A Nice Day 5. Complicated 6. We Got It Goin' On 7. Brokenpromiseland 8. etc. All songs that fit the chorus completely, it's not just the chord progressions but it's the lenght of every bar as well etc. I'm quite sure there's more out there. To this day I swear I recognize the riff from Naked, along with the drum loop, from another song but I can't say which one. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Or come up with more examples of songs they stole from others? I'm sure there's more out there of bands I rarely listen to. I'll edit the list once the suggestions start to come. :) Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
Good list... the most shameful being Aug 7, 415. Especially after covering RITFW on the previous tour.
My addition is Novocaine inspired by MCR's "I'm Not Okay". HAND was supposedly a power/pop record... And My Chemical Romance, a power/pop/punk band had received some attention a year or so prior... I can see how MCR would have influenced the songwriting. The two songs have different dynamics and tone and I haven't compared chord progressions, but the melody is very similar. |
Aren't "We Weren't Born to Follow" and "Born to Be My Baby" essentially the same song in the Chorus?
I'd also add the Animals "We Gotta Get out of this Place" and "Fear." |
There is "Hearts of Stone" and "Never Say Goodbye" too.
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I say it every time this topic comes up:
Queen of New Orleans and Tom Petty's Last Dance With Mary Jane. |
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And Jon playing an IDENTICAL solo on both (probably the only solo he knew back in the day, still). What I find really bad is the topic of August 7, 4:15. I mean, come on, a song about the tragic death of a little girl. At least write your own ****in' melody Jon Bon Bon! The others I am more or less ok with. Some are quite blatant, but then again, they've always been honest about generally 'being inspired' by other artists. And since JonBon constantly cites people like Tom Petty, SSSJ, Neil Young or the Animals as major influences, it's ok. I would add two songs to the list: Temptation - House of the Rising Sun. And biggest of them all - Last Man Standing is IDENTICAL to Bob Seger's Turn the Page. You can even interchange lyrics. Ridiculous. |
I think most of these are coincidental TBH.
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Janie vs Don't Look Back in Anger?!
Not so sure about that. Destination Anywhere was in the process of being written in late 95, early 96. Jon's lyrics were stolen in Feb 96 (I asked him if he had got them back when I met him March) so I'm pretty sure he'd have got to work on it before Don't Look Back was released. However, the Oasis single was released while Jon was in the UK filming the Leading Man, so there's a minute possibility that he picked up on it. To be honest though, you could look at most music and start saying it sounds like someone else's work. There's a limit on the number of chords in existence, so eventually over time things will start to replicate a little. |
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Oh and Noel Gallagher claimed that Captain Crash was a rip-off of Stay Young.
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Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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This topic has come up a million times before and weather they are similarities, stolen, or whatever, I really don't care.
Bon Jovi has a long enough catalog of originality and enough credibility as a songwriter so for someone to make a mountain out of these handful of songs is ridicules. Bon Jovi has influences like everyone else. In my opinion, they don't scream copyright. A riff here, a zap there, it's not enough for me. You can play this game with any artist. To be honest, this topic has less originality than the Bon Jovi songs listed. Sorry! Hopefully your other topic is more interesting and original |
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Saying "Jon wrote plenty of songs so he can't possibly have stolen something else" is pretty much sticking your head in the sand refusing to believe the facts that are on the table. The question you should ask yourself instead is that if it's as obvious regarding these songs what goes on behind the scenes of what we're not aware of, hence me starting the other topic. If the songs listed here don't convince you that Jon stole from other artists then frankly I don't know what will. If a direct copy of a song doesn't scream copyright, then what does, according to you? Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
I have a hard time believing that Jon and/or Richie sat down and said "let's steal and copy this song". They're coincidental. Yes, some songs may sound more alike than others, but if you try hard, you can find similarities in each and every song.
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In the end it's the same as me painting 100 pictures of which you recognize 12 from other artists. You'd not be saying "ha, that's just a co-incidence" either. But go ahead and try before making such a bold claim. Try to find 20 songs by other artists that were nicked from songs previously released. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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But I see your point on how Bon Jovi may have more than a few similar songs. But to be honest, I don't care. If I like the song, I like the song, and don't care if it's similar to another. I get more bothered if they totally rip off themselves (IML and its clones) than if they take influences from another artist. |
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If Jon wrote the verse and someone wrote the chorus, so what! I really don't care and neither should anyone else. |
This topic basically contradicts your other one because here you are stating that they steal songs and the other one you are saying that they don't write them so in essence....... The person writing their songs are stealing them....
Look, Bon Jovi would not be around for 30 years if they were stealing from other artists... And even if they blatantly stole a guitar riff, Jon still wrote the lyrics, with a catch chorus and melody. When Jon and Richie get together to write a new album, I believe they do so. What ends up on the final album might will not be 100% theirs but that how I believe it all starts.... Jon and Richie (and maybe some friends later on) Twist it as much as you'd like but I'm not buying either topic. Not without hard facts |
Their are definitely times Jon/Richie have taken a strong influence from another song and made almost their own version of it.
Joey is the perfect example. Jon loves Elton John's Levon and clearly he wanted to try and create something similar himself. Is their anything sinister about this or any insinuation that Jon or Richie can't write their own songs or don't have their own ideas? Of course not and anyone who suggests it is a bloody idiot. Jon/Richie have more songwriting credits than a thousand other artists. Their songs have appeared on a dozen other artists records. And for all their songs that sound somewhat similar to others...it ALWAYS sounds like a Bon Jovi song. Aside from that their true masterpieces of song craft, the Dry County and These Days and Keep The Faith, and lets not forget Livin On A Prayer. I kinda don't see the point in this and the other thread. |
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I'm not implying Bon Jovi doesn't go to Nashville to write with others, I'm not saying the songs they co-wrote with others have been solely written by the co-writers either. However, the songs listed so far are very obvious examples of where Bon Jovi got their inspiration from. It wouldn't be such a bad thing either if they'd just take parts of songs ythey'd like and put them in their own songs. However, if you need to completely steal a chord pattern from start to finish in order to get your point across then what's the point of writing the song anyway? You might as well cover the original. Quote:
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Considering the replies on here it almost seems that people are incapable of discussing this, feeling attacked by someone who's questioning the sincerety of their heroes and the songs they've written. It seems like it doesn't matter how much proof you (not you crashed, but you as in the people who doubt the entire story in general) get, you've made up your mind that Jon and Richie start the songs and then add a co-writer, which just isn't true. Just because that's what Jon wants you to believe doesn't mean that it's true. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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There are Influences, Trends, and Coincidences.... But the point you're trying to make with this post is, Jon has no originality. Regardless if you're a Jon supporter or not, Jon is not out stealing songs. If you need a list of Bon Jovi songs that have something in common with others, look at old posts. There are 20 of them out there all with the same songs. |
I think Joey and Levon sound VERY alike. It's the one instance I'll say where Jon has definitely copied another song...why, just because he likes it I guess.
Seb, your right...maybe it is a little like reinventing the wheel. I still don't see the problem with it. Just like any book you ever pick-up is hardly likely to be a new kind of story no-ones ever read...just a new take on it or a different feel and writing style. I get what your saying about Desmond but in many ways, he's been so much a part of Jovi since Slippery that he's almost the invisible band member. We all know Jovi may not have had massive hits without him. But oddly, most of my favourite Jovi songs are the ones credited to Jon or Richie alone. I certainly don't think for example anyone else but Jon had any input into Dry County or Bed Of Roses came from anyone but Jon. It just sounds too honest, as does most of the songwriting on These Days. The problem really is what we've discussed before, since 2000 they've been chasing the hits and using any style and influence to get there. But you all know I loved The Circle...so the point is I enjoy it no matter who wrote most of the songs on it. Remember some of the most classic songs of all-time were never written by the artists that made them famous, but by a building full of songwriters in New York or somewhere. I don't think it makes it any less genuine because of that. Jovi are my heroes, but I know this band for what it is. Sometimes it's not pretty, their are very mafia-like shady dealings in all sort of corners not just with songwriting and Jon changes his story as much as his haircuts. None of it matters. Being in a stadium full of Bon Jovi fans singing Livin' On A Prayer is the single, most joyful experience I have every few years. That's why I'm a believer and always will be. |
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Guns N' Roses used to split credits between all band members, all getting 20%, maybe Axl getting slightly more. Even the drummers would get credit. There is NO ****IN' WAY Jon Bon Bon should be the only one credited for Dry County. It's still beyond my imagination really. There must be a weird deal struck there (My hypothesis, lots of cash went into Richie's bank account to leave Jon all the merits of that). |
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But taking into consideration everything you said, if Jon came into the studio with a completed song... And Richie said, lets make it EPIC and I'll add three minutes of extra guitar. If I was Jon, I'd say cool ideal Richie but I'm still getting complete F-ing song writing credit for this song. Now that I think about it, DC is a rip-off of November Rain |
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I think they came out too close to each other for one to rip off the other. That and I don't hear the similarities apart from both being long songs with big guitar solos. |
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Ok. There have many songs which are "inspired" by others. Thats ok with me. If this is something more then band/record label who have rights to original song should get many for using their music. Ripping off is not good if original artist don't know about it (and say you can do this) or don't get money from them)work.
IF M.Martin gave BJ 90% of IML or D.Child gave BJ demo of Livin it's ok with me. BOn Jovi gave many song for others artists and thats also ok (Nothing, Cadilac Man, These Open Arms, One To Say Goodbye).Seb asked to show other band who have so many influences song as BJ... so for exampleLed Zeppelin or Metallica (they ripped many more) Billions of people think that Metallica made riff for "Ender Sandman but it's just ripped from Excel. Some original versions of BIGGEST worlds hits. Listen before reading who ripped thats songs. Many of biggest hits have "influences" from others artists fFor Example: 1 - Hotel California / 2 - My Sweet Lord / 3 - Ghostbuste / 4 - Surfin USA / 5 - Anybody Seen My Baby |
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Edit: to add that i agree that the solos make the song and it wouldn't be a standout track without them, but as far as songwritting credit goes, it doesn't really matter. |
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Yeah, I know that. It's just that, it's not just a solo that is placed somewhere in the song. It completely changes the song structure. Then there's the intermezzo between the two solos and the riff just has Sambora written all over it. Maybe that's not enough to get song writing credits. Then again, I bet both Jon and Richie have done less for certain songs and still got their names on them. I couldn't find the actual interview - but have a look at this: Around 4:15, Richie pretty much says the same thing. |
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Sorry, can't figure that one out. Which song is it? Sounds more like Def Leppard based their whole catalogue on ripping off this song. |
Bon Jovi's 'Thank You For Loving Me' is pretty much a direct rip of 'Garden Of Eden' by Guns N' Roses.
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