And this illustrates why I read much more than post these days.

There's no conversation or debate with someone with this mindset.

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Agree. Faith 1985 are you serious ??!!?

Of course I am serious. Tell me one thing Jon has done without having an agenda / anything that doesn't benefit him. Do you want to tell me that 1500 bucks for a concert for a few bored and obsessed fans is normal? If he'd care about bringimg his music (his art he keeps talking about) to the people who have been buying his music for 30 years, he would give normal fab club concerts. Some meet and greets and so on. Tell me one reason apart from cashing in behind his actions

He uses his name to market
1. his charity
2. his clothes
3. his wine
4. his dad's sauce

And the people who buy it are mostly fans and even they are annoyed by the overpriced items.

Tell me one event within the last 5 years apart from the promo shows (where you had to give your data to tidal so it wasnt only to do something for the fans) where Jon has done ANYTHING that was for his fans. Everything he does has money in mind.

As a comparison:

Ryan Adams posted live footage from the studio and shared his music + on valentines day he gave away a song for his subscibers. You hear Jon's new besties - Phil and John Shanks - do some short clip and it sounds crap and staged / overproduced. You hear a real artist like Ryan Adams being in his elemnt and living his nerdy way of creating stuff und you are hooked right away.

Just ignore it. These kind of fans always follow the same structure: Having been a diehard where the band could do no wrong for years and all of a sudden everything's bad and shit. We've had a couple of those on German message boards in the last decade. Every now and then these users enter topics again to repeat the same stuff over and over instead of moving on.
Jon's been business-orientated ever since Crush, some people were just too blind to realize it back then.
And he's coming across a lot more sincere in the last 2 years than he did in his rather arrogant period in the early 2000's.

God, what a miserable outlook on everything. You can see Phil not even knowing how to set up his phone for this and it's "staged". Two people associated with the band go out of their way to broadcast a hint of a new song, something the band hasn't done in god knows how long. Bounce? and you find the sliver of grey to harp on. Right there proves you will never be happy with this band and find things to crap on.

most of us have gone down that negative path about the band...
Sometimes because we had a hard time in real life, other times because we were unhappy about jons choices and the music in general...
we shouldnt discard a negative post by absolutely rejecting it cause many times there are truths in there and the disappointment hides a hope the band will return in its former glories.
all i m trying to say is being negative towards sth pesimistic isnt the answer imo


ps. his dads sauce was a favor to his family...
ps2 the wine is an encouragment towards his son, helping him find his path.
ps3. his charity in general is sth to be proud

There's a kernels of truth in every complaint but sometimes it just sounds like moping for the sake of moping. At some point you have to make a decision and there's people here I don't know why they keep coming back to complain. They have the right to but you gotta ask why come into areas of the board repeatedly to bring things down and go after the people who still enjoy it.

I havent listened to Bon Jovi for months because there is no reason to do so. Jon is copying other artists and on top writes two songs with a very similar content that is just using a few sayings. I like music when it moves me and Jon doesnt have the character depth to do so: As his son said: stay true to yourself and your product. That is just some American crap. None of what Jon has done in years has had any real substance. He uses big words in his speeches and songs but they don't seem to be more than some shallow construct to be liked. Jon has formed his own cover band with John Shanks and Phil and it is even more Jon-centered now. Has there been one show where it felt like there was 'magic' going on on stage? Jon himself said that he runs errands in his head when on stage. So we have a singer that 1. has lost two members while celebtrating himself for having a band for 30 years, 2.charges some of the highest ticket prices and doing fancy events for big bucks while pretending he is in it for the music and doing it for his fans and 3. marketing everything he can to make as much money as possible while letting himself being celebrated for doing charity and giving away a little bit of it, let alone saving taxes by having a bee farm.

Jon is so full of contradictions that he either has a split personality or is able to lie to himself really well while having people around him who believe he is the best thing ever hapened to this planet while he can only do what he does because everybody in his environment is working for him or depending on him.

Wow, you really hate the guy eh?

ps: yet, they are marketing it with Jon being mostly the focus and mostly Jon fans buying it
ps2: so his son needs his dad to earn a living (when I googled it there were only articles referring to Jon Bon Jovi's wine: so in the end people buy it because it has Jon's 'face' on. It is not helping his son to find his path it is using his celebrity status to let his son male a living (have you ever heard of a normal 20something-year old who does a release party at some fancy mansion with a famous wine maker?)
ps3 doing something for others and getting awards and a better reputation is perverting the thing itself. Do you do stuff because you know it is the right thing to do or do you do stuff for other people so that they tell you how awesome you are and to feel important. Jon himself said he tells his friends to do charity to 'get higher than doing drugs' his words, not mine.