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Rdkopper 05-08-2011 04:55 AM

Sex Sells
 
I'm sure this topic has been discussed several times over but I have a few questions.

Jon was supposed to release back to back solos in the late 90's. Does anyone know why SS was squashed? I've heard people say they released Crush instead but that was 2 years later and only a coulple songs were recycled. Was it b/ DA failed commercially?

And what was the Listening Party? Where was it? Are those songs live? The sound is so bad, I can't even tell. Are there any fans on this board who were there that could elaborate?

When was it even written and recorded being that DA was released in '97 and Jon toured it in '97 '98? When did he have time for this Sex Sells album that I belive was supposed to be released in '98 '99? I know he wrote DA while making movies. Did he write the SS songs at the same time? I'd say no b/c the songs sound so much different.

I find this "lost" album interesting. What was the reason for doing back to back solos? Why spend all that money and time writing / recording and then squash it?

And last, what do you think of those songs? Good Ain't Good Enough? Last Chance Train? Rich Man, etc?

Panda 05-08-2011 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1049554)
I'm sure this topic has been discussed several times over but I have a few questions.

Since I joined probably a dozen topics about it have been created. But I'll answer anyway. Please remember I'm 18 and probably don't know what I'm talking about.

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Jon was supposed to release back to back solos in the late 90's. Does anyone know why SS was squashed? I've heard people say they released Crush instead but that was 2 years later and only a coulple songs were recycled. Was it b/ DA failed commercially?
It was not because DA failed commercially. There were even advertisements out for it. No one really knows why it wasn't released.

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And what was the Listening Party? Where was it? Are those songs live? The sound is so bad, I can't even tell. Are there any fans on this board who were there that could elaborate?
As far as I know, no one here has heard any of Sex Sells apart from the stuff released on the boxset and Bsides.

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When was it even written and recorded being that DA was released in '97 and Jon toured it in '97 '98? When did he have time for this Sex Sells album that I belive was supposed to be released in '98 '99? I know he wrote DA while making movies. Did he write the SS songs at the same time? I'd say no b/c the songs sound so much different.
Can't answer this question as not much was said about the album. It only takes 2 weeks in a studio to make an album though. I'm sure there was time. Many artists write music on the road.

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I find this "lost" album interesting. What was the reason for doing back to back solos? Why spend all that money and time writing / recording and then squash it?

And last, what do you think of those songs? Good Ain't Good Enough? Last Chance Train? Rich Man, etc?
I think it was a good album, much better than anything that came after it. Neurotica, Garageland, Ordinary People and Temptation are all good songs. It was just dropped and no one knows the real reason why.

TwinFan 05-08-2011 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1049565)
Since I joined probably a dozen topics about it have been released. But I'll answer anyway. Please remember I'm 18 and probably don't know what I'm talking about.

While I totally agree where you are coming from in this squabble, you really should just drop it.

P.S: Garageland is awesome. As is Real Life.

bounce442 05-08-2011 05:24 AM

Sex Sells the title was later switched to Crush when the title track was dropped. I don't know much about a 2n solo album other than a lot of songs were written. I know nothing of original intentions.

You will see Sex Sells posters in the Band's Real Life video.

I love Last Chance Train, Crazy Love, and Sleep While I dream. Rich Man is okay but I can never seem to turn it off once it has started. I guess I really do like it even though I know I'd make fun of you if I caught you listening to it :)

Iceman 05-08-2011 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1049565)
As far as I know, no one here has heard any of Sex Sells apart from the stuff released on the boxset and Bsides.

Most of us have heard it, although a very badly recorded version from the fan club listening party.

AFAIK Sex Sells started out as a Jon's solo, became a band album, then Dave hurt his finger and the recordings had to be delayed. After the break SS recording process morphed into what became Crush. Most of the songs were deemed "not so good" so they wrote "better" songs.

Ice

Nige 05-08-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1049554)
And what was the Listening Party? Where was it? Are those songs live? The sound is so bad, I can't even tell. Are there any fans on this board who were there that could elaborate?

I wasn't there but I can confirm 100% that it was demos played from a CD.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1049554)
I find this "lost" album interesting. What was the reason for doing back to back solos? Why spend all that money and time writing / recording and then squash it?

Given that Jon has his own studio, and more money than he could ever spend, he wouldn't really consider it wasted I'm sure-even if the songs don't get released in solo form they can alway be turned into Jovi songs or sold to other artists.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1049554)
And last, what do you think of those songs? Good Ain't Good Enough? Last Chance Train? Rich Man, etc?

I love Rich Man... and I love You Can Sleep While I Dream too. Some of the others were pretty good too. I'd love to hear Sex Sells though if it was deemed good enough to be title track-theoretically making it as good as Keep The Faith and These Days! :O

Butters 05-08-2011 10:50 AM

What I can remember reading was that Jon was ready to go with his third solo album in '98 but there was some problem at the record company which meant that there had to be a fairly prolonged delay in any release, bringing it into '99. Jon decided instead to get the band back together and use his songs and Richie's songs for what would've been Sex Sells produced by Bruce Fairbairn. Bruce sadly died and the band interviewed a lot of potential new producers and decided on Luke Ebbin. They then continued to work on the songs, rewrite/record some, and write and record new ones and Sex Sells, the song, was dropped, and Sex Sells, the album, morphed into what became Crush.

So there really was no lost album, no more than there was a lost album with Have A Nice Day when they decided to rework and rewrite that one.

Supersonic 05-08-2011 11:20 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1049589)
So there really was no lost album, no more than there was a lost album with Have A Nice Day when they decided to rework and rewrite that one.

Yes there was, you've got your history a bit mixed up there. The band had recorded some songs already and then Fairbairn died. When Luke came in he steered the band into a completely different direction, changed the tone of the songs and the band re-recorded several stuff. It's why Satellite sounds so different from the rest of the Sex Sells demo's. With Have A Nice Day only 2 songs were changed, with Sex Sells there were over 30 songs and yet only a few of them were used for Crush.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Walleris 05-08-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1049590)
It's why Satellite sounds so different from the rest of the Sex Sells demo's.

Is Satellite a Fairbrain's production? If so, what other known SexSells/Crush era songs were produced by him?

Rdkopper 05-08-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nige (Post 1049584)
I wasn't there but I can confirm 100% that it was demos played from a CD.


Does anyone know the date of this? I'm trying to put together a timeline between DA and SS. Between written, recorded, and released

Also where it was played? I'm sure in NJ but where?

So musically, we got TD in 95. Tour '95 '96. DA '97 Tour '97 '98 And then lets say SS in late '98. It's hard for me to judge this album based on the songs we know b/c most are demos and it's musically all over the place. Would you say it's fits the post 2k mode or more of a 80/90's vibe?

To me Last Chance Train is 80's. Temptation is 90's. Shadow Dancing is '00

And someone above said Real Life but that was specifically written for the soundtrack. I love the tune and the musical direction. tI was a more back to basics sound. Was this their last origional soundtrack?

Anyone like Mr Big Time by the way?


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