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In fact it is curious how Burning Bridges has better voice takes than THINFS. Are we sure they belong to the same recording sessions? |
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You're talking about some tricks but it's not some tricks. Jon's vocals are carefully put together from many, many takes, probably even going as far as recording word for word and then using studio tricks to pitch everything to the correct key and pacing. In the past, Jon's criticized a lot of pop idols for not being able to sing live but he's got to rely on studio magic a lot more than most of these pop stars "that weren't the real deal". When listening to a studio recording of Bon Jovi nowadays you're not listening to Jon Bon Jovi, you're listening to what Shanks and other engineers can make out of whatever noise Jon's coming up with and has nothing to do with the artistic integrity Jon's bragged about in the past. If that works for you, then fine, but it's got nothing to do with music anymore. He's become a fraud, really. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
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Only We Don't Run, Burning Bridges and maybe A Teardrop to the Sea are recorded in 2015 i think, the other songs are all outtakes from the previously albums. |
But that has already happened even before Jon lost his voice, from have a nice day we have seen these tricks increase. I remember even when they released the 1-minute preview of the single Have a Nice Day the same day of live 8. My first feeling was that this was not Jon, his tone sounded so changed with respect to all of the above, he had manipulated and equalized so much. However, it was not only a success, people loved that song. What I say is that not everything that is manipulated is shit, sometimes it works.
About Burning Bridges recording again, do you think the voices were recorded in previous years? If that was the case, then there were some demos or something similar, maybe, and if that was the case, maybe in those demos Richie is playing the same guitar solo on songs like WWYDF and Fingersprints? later, Shanks replicated it as Richie did in that demo? maybe, with some variation? If Shanks was so good, why is there not similar in THINFS? |
Jon said in an interview that the album isnt political, but a statement record.
https://youtu.be/quJDvWilJhI |
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You can tell since Shanks became the producer, all the studio trickery has been doubled each album. That’s why Jon keeps hiring him. Personally I think there is some production I like (some of LH, some of TC), but I can’t generally stand that super compressed sound. Just compare the Bounce sound (with its loops and other ‘tricks’ too) to HAND. You can hear every main instrument and those drums are just so in your face. Personally I think Tico has suffered the most in the Shanks era lol. BB has some fantastic songs and some songs which are just engineered and produced to an amazingly high standard. Just listen to Billy Falcon’s TDTTS, then Bon Jovi’s studio version. Take Fingerprints, such a simple song (imagine it without those solos). Take WWYDF, straight from the 80s (Jovi mixed with Phil Collins) and take WDR, totally modern, but sharp, with a mean bass and strong (though artificial) drums. You can tell Shanks’ guitar work was recorded in many takes (Fingerprints for example), but BB has some of the best guitars since TD. Why didn’t Shanks repeat this type of experimenting on THINFS? I guess there’s a few reasons: nobody cared for BB (OK, Jon was the first, but even on here everyone said it was shit), it was just a collection of experiments and B-sides and Shanks trying to be a guitar hero. A lot of the production was also very dated (something I personally love and I think it fits Jovi totally),... Going back to the new record...it’ll be Walls/Imagine Dragons production with maybe one or two half decent Phil sounding tracks...such a shame (hopefully not), compressed vocals and instruments and gibberish wannabe politician lyrics. |
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complicated. I try. |
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About Shanks: I simply think he has no own style of guitar playing. His usual Jovi licks are copy/paste U2/The Killers kind of stuff. Teardrop sounds a lot like the way Bobby used to play (maybe it actually was Bobby). And with Fingerprints, I still share the opinion that it was from somewhere between 2007 and 2013 and Richie had come up with the original solo idea that was just replicated. |
I have to admit I'd much rather they try something with this album and fail than here the same old stuff. I love BB because it's different even if some songs miss the mark.
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