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Jeeper 10-13-2016 03:09 PM

I remember reading an article written after KTF was released, but before they'd started writing for These Days. I wanna say it was before a European show, maybe Milan. I remember it as a band interview as Alec clearly stated he wanted the next album to be heavier and Jon said he hadn't decided if it would be or not.

rokuli 10-13-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1209938)
I remember reading an article written after KTF was released, but before they'd started writing for These Days. I wanna say it was before a European show, maybe Milan. I remember it as a band interview as Alec clearly stated he wanted the next album to be heavier and Jon said he hadn't decided if it would be or not.

And These Days was soft & full of ballads, because during the early 90s Jovi was huge in Europe (more so than in US) because of ballads (Bed Of Roses, Always)....

crashed 10-13-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rokuli (Post 1209961)
And These Days was soft & full of ballads, because during the early 90s Jovi was huge in Europe (more so than in US) because of ballads (Bed Of Roses, Always)....

I wouldn't call These Days soft - songs like Hey God, All I Want Is Everything, Something For The Pain, Damned, and even These Days itself aren't soft at all.

semigoodlookin 10-13-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1209962)
I wouldn't call These Days soft - songs like Hey God, All I Want Is Everything, Something For The Pain, Damned, and even These Days itself aren't soft at all.

Neither are Lie to Me, My Guitar, or any other "ballad" on that album. Soft does not mean slower music. The lyrics are deep and dark. If it just means no crunching guitar and metal then fair enough, but New Jersey was already moving away from Bon Jovi going that route.

In terms of content, Bad Medicine is softer than Lie to Me. If you want heavy for the sake of heavy, Bon Jovi was never a band that was going to please you long term.

DestinationJovi 10-13-2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1209718)
Interesting to see that timeframe since the public perception for a long time was that he'd been fired because of those 2 interviews from July.
But obviously there were 3 month more in which more stuff must have been happened which led to that decision.

The Behind the Music segment certainly leads one to believe that the July interview was the final straw, even if it took three months for Jon to actually sever the ties.


Jeeper 10-14-2016 09:27 AM

Alec was a loose cannon - an alleged alcoholic who had some eclectic pastimes and was also not that great, or perhaps reliable, a player.

No brainer JBJ wanted him gone. He was/is a control freak.

Bare in mind, during that era, JBJ would only agree to photo's being used in magazines that HE had vetted first - Ross Halfin, a well known photographer was apparently banned from taking pics of Jon because they made Jon "look old".

Captain_jovi 10-14-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1210045)
Alec was a loose cannon - an alleged alcoholic who had some eclectic pastimes and was also not that great, or perhaps reliable, a player.

No brainer JBJ wanted him gone. He was/is a control freak.

Bare in mind, during that era, JBJ would only agree to photo's being used in magazines that HE had vetted first - Ross Halfin, a well known photographer was apparently banned from taking pics of Jon because they made Jon "look old".

I remember reading that quote on Ross's website but for some reason I thought it was post Crush era he said that.

EDIT: Found it http://www.rosshalfin.com/bon-jovi/bon-jovi01.php. There are quite a few late 90s pics, I dont think the banning could have happened during that era.

semigoodlookin 10-14-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1210081)
I remember reading that quote on Ross's website but for some reason I thought it was post Crush era he said that.

EDIT: Found it http://www.rosshalfin.com/bon-jovi/bon-jovi01.php. There are quite a few late 90s pics, I dont think the banning could have happened during that era.

I think this was after 2000 for sure. In fact, it may have been after 2005. I know Halfin photographed the Classic Rock spreads in 2000(2001?) and the one where Jon has cigarette smoke on his face (forget the year).

I do remember reading somewhere that Jon had a no-nudity contract, I think that was around 1995-ish. Not for his movies, but for when he was coming to events. I read that someone from his team would go ahead with a contract for the press stating if "nudity occurred" then they would not publish photos.

Not sure if that is true, probably nonsense. I always found it hilarious though.

semigoodlookin 10-14-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1210007)
The Behind the Music segment certainly leads one to believe that the July interview was the final straw, even if it took three months for Jon to actually sever the ties.

Alec John Such - Behind the music - YouTube

I have always thought Richie sounds more pissed off than Jon over Alec's situation in this clip. From this, it seems Richie was on board with him being fired. Also, Jon sounds so false at the end when he says he thinks of him a lot.

Jeeper 10-14-2016 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1210083)
I think this was after 2000 for sure. In fact, it may have been after 2005. I know Halfin photographed the Classic Rock spreads in 2000(2001?) and the one where Jon has cigarette smoke on his face (forget the year).

I do remember reading somewhere that Jon had a no-nudity contract, I think that was around 1995-ish. Not for his movies, but for when he was coming to events. I read that someone from his team would go ahead with a contract for the press stating if "nudity occurred" then they would not publish photos.

Not sure if that is true, probably nonsense. I always found it hilarious though.

The "ban" may well have been post 2000 but I'm pretty sure the approving of photos was during the 90's too.


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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1210084)
I have always thought Richie sounds more pissed off than Jon over Alec's situation in this clip. From this, it seems Richie was on board with him being fired. Also, Jon sounds so false at the end when he says he thinks of him a lot.

Yeah I've always thought the thinking of Alec comment was fake. Good actor, our Jon...


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