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rokuli 10-10-2016 04:47 PM

Alec John Such's final weeks (/last performance?) with Bon Jovi
 
hey folks!

Trying to track down Alec John Such's final performance with Bon jovi. He did play on the promotional video for "Always" [seen @ 2:06] which was released on September 20, 1994 as the first single for the best of collection "Crossroads".

They did some sort of promotional tour for the compilation, playing TV shows here and there.

Alec appears at least:

01 "Holland 1994"
https://youtu.be/0x3aloEJ77w

02 "Testo 1994"
https://youtu.be/gXjAeKDkDI4

03 "Recorded live in the MTV studio 1994"
https://youtu.be/Nr5e2HVHapk

Now on that MTV performance Alec looks pretty rough and fragile...

http://i.imgur.com/ufFroAl.jpg

...and at some point during the fall of 1994 was shelved from the band as we have Hugh playing for these other performances:

1994-11-23 "Tonight Show"
https://youtu.be/BwnmAbgfmBA

1994-12-05 MSG, NYC
https://youtu.be/RUSEITA_1Vs

So I wonder what's up? Anyone knows more about the fall 1994 happenings? Also wondering about the exact dates of those above mentioned performances where Al is playing? Anyone?

It's my faith 10-10-2016 05:27 PM

I don't know anything about the 1994 happenings but, thank you for the great collection of videos you made here!

DryCounty 10-10-2016 05:52 PM

The later yeras of Alec in Bon Jovi has to be the most shady part of the Bon Jovi history. It has never really been touched upon since he left the band and the few comments Jon and Richie made was the same crap about him making mistakes during live shows, seriously, have anyone found any major mistakes from the KTF tour made by Alec yet?

No, unless Alec steps forward and finally does a kiss and tell about what actually happened during his final years in Bon Jovi we will never know. And to be honest I don't think there are anyone else but the diehards that care, if even that...
Shame, I always liked Alec.

rokuli 10-10-2016 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1209478)
The later yeras of Alec in Bon Jovi has to be the most shady part of the Bon Jovi history.

Yes and I was amazed to learn TODAY that he did play with the band as late as fall of 1994. I honestly didnt know. And to find those performances from tube was amazing. So that got me thinking...with these we are at least a bit closer to find his documented final performance. Maybe some of us diehards knows the dates to those three above....?

jovifan93 10-10-2016 06:04 PM

Is this thread only about promotional appearances in 1994? Otherwise, he played live for one song (Wanted?) with the Band in New Jersey in 2001 (if I recall correctly)...

Rdkopper 10-10-2016 06:31 PM

What I find even more odd is that in this day of social media, no one has ran into this dude and posted it publically... After the Giants Stadium appearance in 2001, he hasn't been seen or heard by anyone... No one bumped into this dude out in public? Weird!!!

rokuli 10-10-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1209482)
What I find even more odd is that in this day of social media, no one has ran into this dude and posted it publically... After the Giants Stadium appearance in 2001, he hasn't been seen or heard by anyone... No one bumped into this dude out in public? Weird!!!

He had a twitter or something like that! I believe it was real. Few years ago. He was associated for example with Dave Sabo and posted a picture of his "new bass" and about "going to work". Unless someone proves this was a HOAX, I believe it was valid!

jon-flp 10-10-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1209481)
Is this thread only about promotional appearances in 1994? Otherwise, he played live for one song (Wanted?) with the Band in New Jersey in 2001 (if I recall correctly)...

I think that is about the last Alec perfomance as a band member. This 2001 perfomance was as a guest.

I really don't know what happened in 1994...I always had curiosity about this, but I think we'll never know.

Dave88 10-10-2016 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rokuli (Post 1209472)

This one's from an italian TV show called 'Festivalbar'. According to this article it was filmed on September 3rd:

http://www1.adnkronos.com/Archivio/A...BAR_161600.php

Alphavictim 10-10-2016 10:33 PM

Wasn't the consensus that he'd aired dirty laundry a bit too publically for Jon's liking?

Dave 1986 10-10-2016 10:34 PM

Not band/music related but I remember in early 2008 (like 2nd January, something like that), Alec was interviewed and briefly mentioned Jon, calling him something like a "big lib" or something. It was discussed here at the time. I'll find the thread and post it here.

bonjovi90 10-10-2016 11:20 PM

The only obvious mistake I remember is that one (around 0:28 ):

There was some sloppiness to his playing during one of the KTF rehearsals where he didn't keep the rhythm properly. And I remember someone telling me from a SBD version of Tokyo road from the NJ era that he had basically played one note throughout the whole chorus. Other than that I can't recall any major mistakes. But he certainly didn't look too healthy during his last TV appearances with the band.

He was on radio in 2008:

ticos_stick 10-11-2016 12:08 AM

I think after the New Jersey tour Jon took a lot more of a professional and serious hold of the band. During the 80s the whole band were off their tits but the 80s were about excess and bands were expected to be quite loose and dangerous. From interviews and backstage footage it would seem Jon was the most sober and serious member who looked to be almost bullied on occasions.

The 90s heralded a completely different era for the band. I think Jon layed down some rules, possibly contractually, that stated no more wild antics. It looks like Alec didn't tow the line and was subsequently booted out.

I'm sure he received a nice pay off which included a clause to keep his mouth shut.

bonssong 10-11-2016 12:21 AM

I remember an article in Kerrang once where Alec said he had lied a lot for Jon .Maybe this had something to do with his departure..In Australia in 93 I was staying at the same hotel as the band and Alec would depart early in the day on a motorbike and not return until it was showtime..When the band left the hotel to go to a different city Alec was not with them.They were saying "Where's Alec".They left without him.

BD135 10-11-2016 02:14 AM

Alec had to know he would get fired for the magazine article. He was ready for it to be over.

Faceman 10-11-2016 05:44 AM

Here's some interview stuff I collected some years ago when I searched the www for more information (no, I don't have screens from the articles, it's just what somebody wrote down and posted on the internet):

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KERRANG! No.501 July 02 1994:

(has the text BON JOVI! ALEC JOHN SUCH OUT?! on the front cover..)

BON JOVI BASS CRISIS!
Bon Jovi bassman Alec John Such will tour, but not record with Jersey giants!

BON JOVI bassist Alec John Such has made the shock revelation that he will not be playing on the next Bon Jovi album.

However, Such was at pains to set the record straight with mayhem, and confirm that he will be touring with New Jersey's favourite Rock cowboys.

Rumours circulated last week that the four-stringer had actually quit the band and been replaced by Meat Loaf's tour-bassist Kazim Sultan. These rumours were fired by the fact that sultan appeared with Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora when the duo played at the prestigious Brit Awards a few months back.

In issue 483, Sambora told Kerrang! that Such couldn't be at the Brits with them, because he had "got himself involved with some shit that he couldn't get out of". He added: "We met Kazim on the flight over here, and said 'D'ya wanna play bass?'!"

Such flew into London last week in preparation for the 'Night Of 100 Guitars' event, held last weekend at Wembley Arena and organised by the Gibson Guitar company.

"The Guys are writing songs right now, but I'm not doing the next record with them," he admitted. "I will be touring with them, however. In fact, we've just done the MTV Movie Awards where we played a song together and a couple of new videos for future consumption in Europe. Plus we all went to the Bahamas to check out a studio over there and also to do a live telecast.

"I mean, I'm still in touch with what's going on, they send me tapes to ask my opinion and stuff, but the thing is I want time to smell the roses. I want to do some stuff for myself, like doing guitar clinics, and basically jam with a bunch of other people."

How did the rest of the band react to your decision? "well, Jon always thinks I suck anyway!" Such chuckled. I don't think they minded. It's just one of those things where I wanted to do a bunch of other things. See, the last time we were off the road I went and broke my collar bone in a motorcycle accident, so that meant I couldn't do anything.

"In fact there was a period where I didn't know if I was going to be able to play the bass again. So, whilst Jon and Richie did albums,David (Bryan, Jovi Keyboardist) did his movie soundtrack stuff, I couldn't do anything. As a result, i felt they were ahead of me in that respect.

"It Just felt right to look at other things. At one time, Bon Jovi was the one, the only, the be all and end all, but I'm finding there ARE other things."

Such's place for the next record will be taken by seasoned session man Dewey McDonald ("An excellent bass player. The Real studio type," comments Alec) and not Sultan, "despite the fact that he has a cool name!".

One of the projects Such is currently involved with is the co-management and production of an as-yet-nameless band he's discovered in florida, who he rates very highly indeed. "They have the potential to soar like an eagle, but they don't realise it yet," he enthuses.
"But it's up to them, otherwise they could just fly with all the other pigeons, y'know?"

Of his invitation to appear at the Wembley event, Such was clearly delighted to be given the chance to play with the likes of legendary Free/bad Company vocalist Paul Rodgers and one-time Journey guitar hero Neal Schon. It helped that Such is endorsed by Gibson! His pipedream of playing on tour with The Rolling Stones remains just that, however.

I didn't really put the word out that I was interested in the gig. It was just a dream I had. But I figured it would have been cool, when I was old and grey, to tell anyone who asked me,'Well, who'd ya play with?' that i played with Bon Jovi and The Rolling Stones. I would be too cool. I'd have to kill myself!"

DAVE REYNOLDS, KERRANG!

Faceman 10-11-2016 05:46 AM

And the infamous RAW-magazine interview:

Quote:

Article published in RAW-magazine no. 154, July 20th 1994

In a special column on first page of interview the following semi-headlines:

The facts:
-Such has been banned by Jon Bon Jovi from doing any interviews
-Such is perpetually been treated like an ‘after-thought’!
-Jon Bon Jovi tells Such his bass playing “sucks”!
-Co-founding member is not appearing on the new Jovi LP!

DODGY T-SHIRTS AND AN EVEN DODGIER EYEPATCH ARE WHAT BON JOVI BASSIST ALEC JOHN SUCH IS RENOWNED FOR, BUT NOW, SHOCK HORROR, HE REVEALS HE’S BEEN COLDSHOULDERED WITHIN THE BAND AND WON’T FEATURE ON THE NEW JOVI ALBUM! DAVE LING ASKS WHETHER THERE’S MORE TO ALL THIS THAN MEETS THE EYE ….

Way back in June 1990, we printed a spoof list of ’15 least likely people to be interviewed in RAW’. Topping a roll of dishonour which featured Black Sabbath keyboardist Geoff Nicholls, Chris Johnstone of the Quireboys and Allanah Myles, one name stood proud. Alec John Such of Bon Jovi. It was intended as a bit of a laugh – admittedly a rather cheap one – but everybody knew what we meant. Poor old Alec was the man nobody seemed to know about, or care, too much about.

The media are always on the look-out for a juicy quote from that glamorous and charismatic duo of frontman Jon Bon Jovi and guitarist Richie Sambora, and it has been left to Alec, keyboardist David Bryan and sticksman Tico Torres to scrap amongst themselves for the leftover attention. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever read a full-blown interview with Alec John Such.

“I haven’t been allowed to do any if you want to know the truth” shrugs the four-stringer, who was in London to participate at the Gibson’s Night Of 100 Guitars anniversary show.“I was told that nobody wanted to talk to me and that came right from Jon’s mouth. For me it’s time for no more secrets. I’m gonna tell it like it is. Anything they said I did probably did, but I would lie for Jon and I have done.”

Does Alec feel that he has compromised himself?
“Put it this way, they say that you can forgive and forget. But you can never forget, you can just forgive.”

Alec’s ‘no interview’ embargo was placed on him for the whole of Bon Jovi’s last world tour. Was he banned because he said the wrong things when he was allowed to talk?
“I never really asked Jon about that, but I did tackle Jon about a lot of other things. For me, that was just the way it was, and I started to believe that people didn’t want to talk to me. After a while I realised it wasn’t true.”

One thing which was sorted out when Bon Jovi re-grouped to prepare the follow-up to 1992’s ‘Keep the faith’ was that Alec would not be playing on it. For a week before Such himself would confirm his non-participation, rumour had suggested that ex-Todd Rundgren bassist Kasim Sultan was taking his place.
“No, I haven’t split up with Bon Jovi. And no, Kasim is not doing the record,” he clarifies.“I’m gonna be doing the tour, but they’re using a guy called Huey MacDonald. I’m not doing the record with them this time, I have no desire to.”

Er …. Why?!
"Jon tells me I suck all the time, and I have no desire to get involved in all that tension again. Because I work better onstage than I do in the studio, it gives me the chance to do what I want to do out side the band. I love being on tour and change will help everyone when I go back because it’ll be fresh again. We still keep in touch and they still send me tapes. I’m just very honest with them now, whereas before I guess I wouldn’t have been quite so truthful.”
So how are relations between yourself and Jon?
“Now when I see Jon he’s fine. He knows I can’t be taken advantage of, although that’s maybe not the right word for it. I’m slowing down to smell the roses, and it’s not like I haven’t done all this stuff before. I never cared to be in the limelight for more than one day a week. Now there’s other things that have a higher priority; I really enjoy doing things like my Gibson bass clinics.
Now it’s a pleasure when I play out with different people,” he continues.“They ask me what kind of equipment I need, how the monitors sound for me. But with my band (Bon Jovi) they say,‘OK make sure Richie sounds good. Is everything alright for Tico?’ I haven’t experienced people caring about my requirements for a long time.”

So basically you became a bit of an after-thought?
“Yeah. But it doesn’t bother me anymore. There’s been a ton of good times. And there will be many more.”

Does Alec think that Bon Jovi have got out of control?
“I don’t really think so,” such says cautiously.“But what I intended it to be and what Jon wanted are two different things. I wanted to have fun, but then those guys wrote a hit song, and now there is so much pressure to keep having hit songs. I’ve always felt that you write a song and *others*(originally in cursive print) will tell you it’s a hit, you don’t write a song to be a hit and tell everyone,‘This is a hit song’.“

What happens if Jon writes a song that Alec hates?
“I don’t think I would say that I didn’t like it. I’m not a writer so I can’t criticise.”
Has he ever wanted to be a songwriter?
“I know how things work, y’know verse-chorus-verse, but that’s a God-given talent that I would know if I had.”

Jon is said to have smirked at the prospect of an Alec John Such solo album.
“I could believe that. But my calling is something totally different.”

Alec had better watch himself, as too many negative comments might just cause Jon to decide he’s not in the touring band either. There’s a million bassists out there, after all.
“When I decided not to be on the record – and it was my decision, which I took in the second week of January – I didn’t think everyone would just go,‘OK’. First off I called the guys who handle my money and asked them if I’d loose my house if that happened,” he explains.“They said as long as I didn’t buy a yacht every week I’d still be able to have a good life.”

OK, enough speculation. Let’s find out a little about Bon Jovi’s bassist. A portrait which appeared in RAW 151’s Jovi pull-out painted him as something of a mystery man. It is duly produced and Such nods quietly in agreement that his date of birth is indeed 14 November 1951. He chuckles when reminded of the T-Shirt he wore at Wembley Arena that said:‘Blow me … And Just Leave!’(“That shirt was a great idea”), but he wants to set the record straight about the eye-patch he wore on the last tour.
“My eye was infected. It was dripping away every night ad I had to put this Vaseline on it,” he claims.“That was the only time anyone ever saw me with an eye-patch. I wasn’t going or a pirate look because that would be nuts – but I *am*(again, originally in cursive) nuts in other ways!”

Such’s other hobbies away from the spotlight are vintage motorcycles and cars, personal computers and he’s also partners in an Australian company that makes turbo-chargers. But his biggest interest is amateur radio, something that stems from seeing roadies using walking-talkies at the Bon Jovi shows. Now that he owns his own set it’s grown into an obsession. He just loves ear-wigging on other peoples’ conversation!
“If people have anything crazy to say they shouldn’t say it on a radio or a cordless phone,” Such maintains.“I’ve heard many, many salacious things over the years. In Nashville we once got a prostitute on the line and she was telling her pimp how she was ripping off the punters. In LA, you start to get all the drug deals and sex phone calls.”

It takes Such several minutes to list all his motorcycles, and he also adds also owns a pair of ‘his and hers’ 1964 Honda Dreams.“You can’t teach people to ride on a Harley because it’s too big,” he explains with a glint in his eye.“They look at the lighter, 50cc version and go,‘It’s so-o-p cute, of course I’ll ride it!’“

OF Course, music is another huge feature of his life. Alec tends not to attend the big-name concerts, but he’s a regular at local New Jersey venues like the Fast Lane where he checks out smaller bands. His future plans include co-managing one particular fledging Florida act that he has already spotted.
“I’ve been spoiled for the big gigs. If I can’t go backstage and just hang out there I don’t usually bother,” he confesses.“If we go together as a band a commotion will sometimes start in the audience, and that’s not fair to the band you’ve gone along to see.”
“But I’ve been listening to new bands like Candlebox, Tool, Soundgarden and Smashing Pumpkins a lot because it’s so refreshing. People are calling it the Grunge scene, but to me it’s just Rock’n’roll getting back to its roots”.
“These bands aren’t embarrassed about what they do onstage; they don’t have to look a certain way and if they don’t have an instrument to make a sound they’ll go (mumbles noise like a didgeridoo), and that is great.”
Many felt that Bon Jovi went too far left of field with ‘Keep The Faith’, but such feels it didn’t go far enough. What he’s heard of the new record – which is “just about all”– suggests it won’t go too far out on a limb.
“I know how Jon writes and I know how Richie writes,” he says.“I put those two guys together. They should be patting me on the back ‘cos without each other they’d still not be writing right. Jon writes cowboy songs, they all start out that way. He needs Richie to harden ‘em up and turn ‘em into Bon Jovi songs.”
Our allotted time is vanishing, but Alec has enjoyed the experience. He has his bass clinics, he manages his band, he’d like to be more than just an anonymous face at the end of the row … but not a great deal more.
“This is a new facet of what I do,” he beams.“I’d like people to know a little more about me. I’d like them to come up to me on the street and be able to say something more than,‘Hey, you’re in Bon Jovi’.”

jovifan93 10-11-2016 02:41 PM

Pretty cool stuff. And leads to the question who's telling the truth about playing on Slippery through KTF. Hugh or Alec?

bonjovi90 10-11-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1209644)
Pretty cool stuff. And leads to the question who's telling the truth about playing on Slippery through KTF. Hugh or Alec?

The way Alec played the intro to KTF in '93 always lead me to the conclusion that it must've been Hugh on the album.

rokuli 10-11-2016 05:56 PM

This is what I have on my HD, but I'm not sure about the mag...could this be Metal Hammer?

http://i.imgur.com/c8hshlU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yLyvWa7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dAzX1p0.jpg

rokuli 10-11-2016 05:59 PM

And as mentioned above these are the other two mags Alec appeard in:

KERRANG! No.501 July 02 1994:
RAW-magazine no. 154, July 20th 1994

After reading the Kerrang article, did a bit of searching and found this gem:

26th June, 1994 "Night of 100 Guitars" @ Wembley, London UK (Paul Rodgers, Slash & Alec John Such):
https://youtu.be/JWG0qJ3zWtU

rokuli 10-11-2016 06:05 PM

And this is Bon Jovi @ MTV Movie Awards in 1994 with Alec playing "Good Guys...":
https://youtu.be/pU1CxFpxUtc


And here's Bon Jovi & others @ Brit Awards show on 15th February 1994 and I guess no Alec on bass, rather than guy named Kazim Sultan (according to that Kerran article):
https://youtu.be/uVs2A5eReM8

Faceman 10-11-2016 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rokuli (Post 1209661)
This is what I have on my HD, but I'm not sure about the mag...could this be Metal Hammer?

It's RAW-magazine no. 154, July 20th 1994 ;)

rokuli 10-11-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1209671)
It's RAW-magazine no. 154, July 20th 1994 ;)

oh! Didnt know I have the RAW article here! Thanks! =)
EDIT: could have compared the text...oh well.. :rolleyes:

Rumen 10-11-2016 09:00 PM

Good Guys Don't Always Wear White - MTV Movie Awards 1994-07-18
Always - Festivalbar (playback) 1994-09-03
Always TOTP (playback) 1994-09-07
Always Niagara Falls TOTP (playback) 1994-09-22
Always MTV Studios, London 1994-10-08
Always (acoustic) TROS, NL - 1994-10-10(?)

It seems that the TROS show is Alec’s last known live performance in 1994.

rokuli 10-11-2016 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumen (Post 1209679)
Good Guys Don't Always Wear White - MTV Movie Awards 1994-07-18
Always - Festivalbar (playback) 1994-09-03
Always TOTP (playback) 1994-09-07
Always Niagara Falls TOTP (playback) 1994-09-22
Always MTV Studios, London 1994-10-08
Always (acoustic) TROS, NL - 1994-10-10(?)

It seems that the TROS show is Alec’s last known live performance in 1994.

I was about to ask this elsewhere also...but that's it. Thanks man.

Faceman 10-12-2016 06:43 AM

Interesting to see that timeframe since the public perception for a long time was that he'd been fired because of those 2 interviews from July.
But obviously there were 3 month more in which more stuff must have been happened which led to that decision.

Javier 10-12-2016 07:29 AM

It must suck to have the name of a band tattoed on your shoulder and then get fired from said band. It would be much worse if said band name was your former boss's last name... :/ poor Alec....

life_of_agony 10-12-2016 12:10 PM

I would love for him to release a tell all autobiography, or better yet, return to the band. Doubt that either would happen though.
I miss Alec in the band. He was cool as ****.

rokuli 10-13-2016 12:13 PM

Raw magazine 154, July 20th 1994

Does Alec think that Bon Jovi have got out of control?
“I don’t really think so,” such says cautiously.“But what I intended it to be and what Jon wanted are two different things. I wanted to have fun, but then those guys wrote a hit song, and now there is so much pressure to keep having hit songs. I’ve always felt that you write a song and *others*(originally in cursive print) will tell you it’s a hit, you don’t write a song to be a hit and tell everyone,‘This is a hit song’.

This is it. Straight from the horses mouth back in 1994. This is one of the key reasons Richie left 19 years later.

Jeeper 10-13-2016 03:09 PM

I remember reading an article written after KTF was released, but before they'd started writing for These Days. I wanna say it was before a European show, maybe Milan. I remember it as a band interview as Alec clearly stated he wanted the next album to be heavier and Jon said he hadn't decided if it would be or not.

rokuli 10-13-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1209938)
I remember reading an article written after KTF was released, but before they'd started writing for These Days. I wanna say it was before a European show, maybe Milan. I remember it as a band interview as Alec clearly stated he wanted the next album to be heavier and Jon said he hadn't decided if it would be or not.

And These Days was soft & full of ballads, because during the early 90s Jovi was huge in Europe (more so than in US) because of ballads (Bed Of Roses, Always)....

crashed 10-13-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rokuli (Post 1209961)
And These Days was soft & full of ballads, because during the early 90s Jovi was huge in Europe (more so than in US) because of ballads (Bed Of Roses, Always)....

I wouldn't call These Days soft - songs like Hey God, All I Want Is Everything, Something For The Pain, Damned, and even These Days itself aren't soft at all.

semigoodlookin 10-13-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1209962)
I wouldn't call These Days soft - songs like Hey God, All I Want Is Everything, Something For The Pain, Damned, and even These Days itself aren't soft at all.

Neither are Lie to Me, My Guitar, or any other "ballad" on that album. Soft does not mean slower music. The lyrics are deep and dark. If it just means no crunching guitar and metal then fair enough, but New Jersey was already moving away from Bon Jovi going that route.

In terms of content, Bad Medicine is softer than Lie to Me. If you want heavy for the sake of heavy, Bon Jovi was never a band that was going to please you long term.

DestinationJovi 10-13-2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1209718)
Interesting to see that timeframe since the public perception for a long time was that he'd been fired because of those 2 interviews from July.
But obviously there were 3 month more in which more stuff must have been happened which led to that decision.

The Behind the Music segment certainly leads one to believe that the July interview was the final straw, even if it took three months for Jon to actually sever the ties.


Jeeper 10-14-2016 09:27 AM

Alec was a loose cannon - an alleged alcoholic who had some eclectic pastimes and was also not that great, or perhaps reliable, a player.

No brainer JBJ wanted him gone. He was/is a control freak.

Bare in mind, during that era, JBJ would only agree to photo's being used in magazines that HE had vetted first - Ross Halfin, a well known photographer was apparently banned from taking pics of Jon because they made Jon "look old".

Captain_jovi 10-14-2016 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1210045)
Alec was a loose cannon - an alleged alcoholic who had some eclectic pastimes and was also not that great, or perhaps reliable, a player.

No brainer JBJ wanted him gone. He was/is a control freak.

Bare in mind, during that era, JBJ would only agree to photo's being used in magazines that HE had vetted first - Ross Halfin, a well known photographer was apparently banned from taking pics of Jon because they made Jon "look old".

I remember reading that quote on Ross's website but for some reason I thought it was post Crush era he said that.

EDIT: Found it http://www.rosshalfin.com/bon-jovi/bon-jovi01.php. There are quite a few late 90s pics, I dont think the banning could have happened during that era.

semigoodlookin 10-14-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1210081)
I remember reading that quote on Ross's website but for some reason I thought it was post Crush era he said that.

EDIT: Found it http://www.rosshalfin.com/bon-jovi/bon-jovi01.php. There are quite a few late 90s pics, I dont think the banning could have happened during that era.

I think this was after 2000 for sure. In fact, it may have been after 2005. I know Halfin photographed the Classic Rock spreads in 2000(2001?) and the one where Jon has cigarette smoke on his face (forget the year).

I do remember reading somewhere that Jon had a no-nudity contract, I think that was around 1995-ish. Not for his movies, but for when he was coming to events. I read that someone from his team would go ahead with a contract for the press stating if "nudity occurred" then they would not publish photos.

Not sure if that is true, probably nonsense. I always found it hilarious though.

semigoodlookin 10-14-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1210007)
The Behind the Music segment certainly leads one to believe that the July interview was the final straw, even if it took three months for Jon to actually sever the ties.

Alec John Such - Behind the music - YouTube

I have always thought Richie sounds more pissed off than Jon over Alec's situation in this clip. From this, it seems Richie was on board with him being fired. Also, Jon sounds so false at the end when he says he thinks of him a lot.

Jeeper 10-14-2016 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1210083)
I think this was after 2000 for sure. In fact, it may have been after 2005. I know Halfin photographed the Classic Rock spreads in 2000(2001?) and the one where Jon has cigarette smoke on his face (forget the year).

I do remember reading somewhere that Jon had a no-nudity contract, I think that was around 1995-ish. Not for his movies, but for when he was coming to events. I read that someone from his team would go ahead with a contract for the press stating if "nudity occurred" then they would not publish photos.

Not sure if that is true, probably nonsense. I always found it hilarious though.

The "ban" may well have been post 2000 but I'm pretty sure the approving of photos was during the 90's too.


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Originally Posted by semigoodlookin (Post 1210084)
I have always thought Richie sounds more pissed off than Jon over Alec's situation in this clip. From this, it seems Richie was on board with him being fired. Also, Jon sounds so false at the end when he says he thinks of him a lot.

Yeah I've always thought the thinking of Alec comment was fake. Good actor, our Jon...


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