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Dave88 10-09-2020 05:23 PM

#16 Ireland
#20 Netherlands
#6 Belgium - Flanders
#17 Belgium - Wallonia
#8 Japan
#5 UK

JackieBlue 10-09-2020 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1269153)
I was under the impression the download code would need to be REDEEMED to be counted. Or is it they need to be requested to be counted? If the sales numbers included the concert ticket bundle the band is in way worse trouble than we thought.

They would have to be redeemed before Oct 8 for the Oct 2 release to be counted. But if their codes/vouchers weren't voided with the cancellation, they still could've been redeemed when the album was released. I'm not sure if the redemptions would show up as sales from the sites where they were redeemed or if they were considered sales by the promoter at the time the tickets were purchased. The Ticketmaster site regarding bundles was kind of vague (or maybe that was my brain); but it looked like there was some wiggle-room as to how they would be handled. The policy on refunds for purchase of items included with the sale was confusing, too. So I'm not sure. Having worked with Universal, Steve probably has better insight on it than I do.

I just don't see why Jon would have backed it up from Oct 30 to Oct 2 unless it was to get in under the deadline so the merch and ticket bundles could he counted. Then again, when the change in Billboard's policy was first discussed, you asked if Oct 30 was ever an official date. I could have sworn it was; but if not, then my whole line of reasoning doesn't make sense anyway.

Wouldn't be the first time. :D

rolo_tomachi 10-09-2020 05:42 PM

Billboard USA?

JackieBlue 10-09-2020 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1269166)
Billboard USA?

I think so, yeah.

liljovi93 10-09-2020 06:49 PM

Number 5 in the UK it has entered.

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james_d 10-09-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1269173)
Number 5 in the UK it has entered.

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About what was expected right?

brunorc21 10-09-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1269174)
About what was expected right?

Same as THINFS

Thinny 10-09-2020 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1269165)
They would have to be redeemed before Oct 8 for the Oct 2 release to be counted. But if their codes/vouchers weren't voided with the cancellation, they still could've been redeemed when the album was released. I'm not sure if the redemptions would show up as sales from the sites where they were redeemed or if they were considered sales by the promoter at the time the tickets were purchased. The Ticketmaster site regarding bundles was kind of vague (or maybe that was my brain); but it looked like there was some wiggle-room as to how they would be handled. The policy on refunds for purchase of items included with the sale was confusing, too. So I'm not sure. Having worked with Universal, Steve probably has better insight on it than I do.

I just don't see why Jon would have backed it up from Oct 30 to Oct 2 unless it was to get in under the deadline so the merch and ticket bundles could he counted. Then again, when the change in Billboard's policy was first discussed, you asked if Oct 30 was ever an official date. I could have sworn it was; but if not, then my whole line of reasoning doesn't make sense anyway.

Wouldn't be the first time. :D

If they have been refunded for the ticket and have a code that works (which I would think would be unlikely), then the album would be considered a free gift or a promotional item, as they haven't paid for it, and therefore it's not chart elegible. The cost of the album is factored into the ticket price, and therefore chart elegible only when they have paid.

Thinny 10-09-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1269173)
Number 5 in the UK it has entered.

Jesus, Amanda Holden went in above them. What a joke....

JackieBlue 10-09-2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1269176)
If they have been refunded for the ticket and have a code that works (which I would think would be unlikely), then the album would be considered a free gift or a promotional item, as they haven't paid for it, and therefore it's not chart elegible. The cost of the album is factored into the ticket price, and therefore chart elegible only when they have paid.

Gotcha. I think you said something like this in the original discussion but it slipped my mind.

Thanks!


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