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JoviForever 12-04-2006 07:00 PM

Muse to play Wembley Stadium
 
It looks like Muse are going to be the first band to play the new Wembley.
They have announced they are playing there in June.
I'm quite a big fan of Muse but not enough to pay money to see them.

Robd788 12-04-2006 07:22 PM

Yeah read this before on yahoo. It doesnt say they are opening the stadium just they are the first act to be booked, more to be announced in the coming weeks. I would think they would have a bigger band (globally) to open the stadium. Prob depends on whos touring at the time too. I had a feeling Take That were gonna do it their huge at the moment. Or they would save it till July 1st for this Diana concert.

Beavoid 12-05-2006 05:42 AM

Take That is still around? Are they good? What songs do they have right now that I should check out?

B

Neurotica80 12-06-2006 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Beavoid (Post 711006)
Take That is still around? Are they good? What songs do they have right now that I should check out?

B

Patience is their latest Single

RS8MB0R8 12-06-2006 09:39 AM

Muse absolutely ROCK live!! One of the best shows I've been too by far was a T on the Fringe gig in Edinburgh. Just a short set of about 10-15 songs but it was absolutely awesome and Matt Bellamy is a bloody amazing musician and frontman! The guy is just sickenengly talented!

I'd go and see them again at the drop of a hat - but I'm not travelling all the way down to London for it though!! :)

Christo 12-06-2006 10:07 AM

New Bon Jovi album- April.
Muse playing Wembley- June.

When is the GH supposed to be released??

It is 6 months before June and Bon Jovi are supposed to have 2 new releases in the near future, plus don't forget that they were asked FIRST if they wanted to open the stadium.

I say stay tuned, there is more to happen on this yet.

Emil 12-06-2006 12:28 PM

I have to say that I´m disappointed. I thought Jon´s ego would do anything to open the new Wembley so I was counting on a show next summer. Dammit!

UKjovi 12-06-2006 12:29 PM

i heard muse on the radio the other day and they said they will be one of the first to play there , not the first

Christo 12-06-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UKjovi (Post 711314)
i heard muse on the radio the other day and they said they will be one of the first to play there , not the first

Interesting...if you KNEW that you were THE first band, you'd trumpet it to anyone who would listen in no uncertain terms. So it would seem that there may be other bands playing first yet.

Keep the faith, people. (Cheesy, I know, but fitting here!)

Jim Bon Jovi 12-06-2006 12:56 PM

yeah again there's still more acts to be confirmed to play it over the summer so you never know....

Captain Walrus 12-06-2006 08:18 PM

Seems Wembely Stadium loves to mess with people

If Muse are the first to play it, loads of people won't have bought tickets (I reckon) cause they thought someone else was gonna be announced

If someone else is announced, loads of people are gonna be pissed off cos they bought tickets thinking Muse was gonna be first

It's the debacle from this summer all over again ...

BeExcellent 12-06-2006 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711375)
Seems Wembely Stadium loves to mess with people

If Muse are the first to play it, loads of people won't have bought tickets (I reckon) cause they thought someone else was gonna be announced

If someone else is announced, loads of people are gonna be pissed off cos they bought tickets thinking Muse was gonna be first

It's the debacle from this summer all over again ...

wtf?!?!

1) muse could sell out a venue that size, regardless of the prestige of the date

2) if someone was only going to buy tickets because it was the first show, then they would only be bringing the atmosphere down.

3) nowhere at all has it been stated that this is to be the first show at Wembley.

4) it would have to be a really bad night for Muse to leave fans dissapointed

Christo 12-06-2006 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 711379)
wtf?!?!

1) muse could sell out a venue that size, regardless of the prestige of the date

2) if someone was only going to buy tickets because it was the first show, then they would only be bringing the atmosphere down.

3) nowhere at all has it been stated that this is to be the first show at Wembley.

4) it would have to be a really bad night for Muse to leave fans dissapointed

However good they are, you cannot deny that being the first band to play there would appeal to many people as a good reason to go. Call it an extra incentive for many of those casual Muse fans out there that may not have otherwise gone.

Bon Jovi did make a big deal out of opening the new stadium, I wonder if we will hear of Muse doing a similar thing...

BeExcellent 12-06-2006 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Christo (Post 711383)
However good they are, you cannot deny that being the first band to play there would appeal to many people as a good reason to go. Call it an extra incentive for many of those casual Muse fans out there that may not have otherwise gone.

Bon Jovi did make a big deal out of opening the new stadium, I wonder if we will hear of Muse doing a similar thing...

Regards your last point. It is to their credit that they are not hyping the gig as such.

Regards your first point. Yes, that would be an incentive, but an entirely unnecessary one. And, if people buy tickets purely for that reason, i hope Take That, Barry Manillow or Shiteyshiterson announces a show for the Saturday beforehand.

To call this a debacle is entirely unnecessary. Band announces show. Fans excited. End of story.

Captain Walrus 12-06-2006 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 711379)
wtf?!?!

1) muse could sell out a venue that size, regardless of the prestige of the date

Debatable. I'm not saying they couldn't, I'm just not as convinced as you seem to be that they can. Especially announcing it about 20 seconds after they've played a UK tour ... sure there'll be a lot of people who are still caught in the moment and buy tickets based on that, but there's also going to be a lot who think "Well I've only just seen them, can't really justify buying more tickets"

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2) if someone was only going to buy tickets because it was the first show, then they would only be bringing the atmosphere down.
Be that as it may, people are going to ... why do you think I ended up having spare Bon Jovi Milton Keynes tickets, and only being able to sell them to a tout for £30 each?

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3) nowhere at all has it been stated that this is to be the first show at Wembley.
Whether it's true or not, it's implied. And it does say "first confirmed", which a lot of people will either misread or misunderstand as "first"

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4) it would have to be a really bad night for Muse to leave fans dissapointed
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Did you have tickets for Bon Jovi at Wembley? I wasn't disappointed, not in the slightest, but I was annoyed with the fact that the whole thing was a bit of a shambles, especially at the time where we all had no idea where they were going to play and if the tickets we'd bought would remain valid or not. That's a bit beside the point though, the point is, as Christo pointed out, it's going to leave a lot of casual fans who buy a ticket on it being the first show at Wembley very disappointed if it isnt

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Yes, that would be an incentive, but an entirely unnecessary one.
Just cos you think the band are Gods among men, doesn't make it so

Neurotica80 12-06-2006 09:35 PM

I dont understand why anyone would go see a band at Wembley, purely because they will be the first to play there. Its not like you get a special ticket for it or anything. Id rather wait and see a band I really wanna see there, be it Bon Jovi, u2 or Oasis. It will still be my first time seeing someone play at the new Stadium.

Robd788 12-06-2006 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica80 (Post 711394)
I dont understand why anyone would go see a band at Wembley, purely because they will be the first to play there. Its not like you get a special ticket for it or anything. Id rather wait and see a band I really wanna see there, be it Bon Jovi, u2 or Oasis. It will still be my first time seeing someone play at the new Stadium.

HERE HERE I was going to Wembley this year to see Bon Jovi, not the stadium.

Captain Walrus 12-06-2006 10:16 PM

Yeah, but both of you are on a Bon Jovi messageboard, you're not exactly the type of person I'm talking about

OK, take me for example. I've seen Muse live twice, one of which was a part of this tour. They won't have a new album out before they play Wembley, so for all intents and purposes, it'll be the same tour. I didn't go and see them over the UK tour they just did. If they announced that they were playing at Milton Keynes Bowl or Hyde Park or whatever next year, I'd probably have a quick think about whether I wanted to go, and decide that, in the grand scheme of things, there'll probably be a million other gigs that I want to go to next year so I can't really justify going to Muse. But since it's the first gig at the new Wembley, it's just a teeny bit special and, in a way, historical. Which is why I can't decide whehter I should go or not, but am leaning more towards it than I would be if it were anywhere else

BeExcellent 12-06-2006 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)
sure there'll be a lot of people who are still caught in the moment and buy tickets based on that, but there's also going to be a lot who think "Well I've only just seen them, can't really justify buying more tickets"

Muse's entire career has been built on word of mouth and personal experience. They've never been a fashionable band. They've never had the hype that say the Arctic Monkeys have had behind them. They've developed a massive live fanbase purely because of the quality of their shows.

At each stage of their career, they've made themselve accessible to the maximum possible audience before moving up a notch. Before they headlined theatres they had played countless support slots. Before moving up to arenas they'd headlined 3 or 4 theatre tours. When they moved to arenas 2 years ago, they priced their tickets at £17.50 to make sure they had the audience, and sure enough they all came back this year, and brought their frineds when tickets cost £32.00. After selling out their arena tour in more or less a single day and headlining many, many festivals, they have the audience for a Stadium show, no questions asked.

How cool that one of the first bands to play the national stadium is so exemplory of the zeitguiest... If it were any other contemporary act (even one I dislike personally) I couldn't raise an objection.

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)

Be that as it may, people are going to ... why do you think I ended up having spare Bon Jovi Milton Keynes tickets, and only being able to sell them to a tout for £30 each?

Because the inaccessable Milton Keynes Bowl meant a lot of people decided to pass on the hassle and expense of an out-of-town trip?

Because you left it till the last minute to get rid of your ticket?

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)

Whether it's true or not, it's implied. And it does say "first confirmed", which a lot of people will either misread or misunderstand as "first"

Really don't think it is. You are smart enough to tell the difference between "first confirmed" and "first", why do you think other people aren't up to that level of reasoning?

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)

Did you have tickets for Bon Jovi at Wembley?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)

It's going to leave a lot of casual fans who buy a ticket on it being the first show at Wembley very disappointed if it isnt

I have no ****ing sympathy whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711389)

Just cos you think the band are Gods among men, doesn't make it so

Surely this is just a petty insult. "He loves Muse. He's like sooooo gay"

EVERY live act has its faults. Jovi rely on Cliche. Springsteen is too political. Muse are too cold and impersonal. You pays your money....

That said. Muse are in the very top flight and have nothing to prove to anyone.

There is no logical reason why the first band to announce a show should be the first band to play a show. If you make that assumption it's your own stupid fault. If having made that assumption you get riled about it, then you are wasting your energy.

Captain Walrus 12-06-2006 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 711417)
Muse's entire career has been built on word of mouth and personal experience. They've never been a fashionable band. They've never had the hype that say the Arctic Monkeys have had behind them. They've developed a massive live fanbase purely because of the quality of their shows.

At each stage of their career, they've made themselve accessible to the maximum possible audience before moving up a notch. Before they headlined theatres they had played countless support slots. Before moving up to arenas they'd headlined 3 or 4 theatre tours. When they moved to arenas 2 years ago, they priced their tickets at £17.50 to make sure they had the audience, and sure enough they all came back this year, and brought their frineds when tickets cost £32.00. After selling out their arena tour in more or less a single day and headlining many, many festivals, they have the audience for a Stadium show, no questions asked.

I'm not entirely sure what point your trying to make with this. I'm not disputing that they have a large fanbase, or that they've gone the right way about getting it (although I strongly imagine that just as many people go to their shows that only know 5 or so songs as go to shows by any other band), but I still say that selling they can 100% definetly sell out any stadium in the UK is pure speculation

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Because the inaccessable Milton Keynes Bowl meant a lot of people decided to pass on the hassle and expense of an out-of-town trip?
One factor among others. In my experience, very few decisions ever stem from just one reason

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Because you left it till the last minute to get rid of your ticket?
Same answer again

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Really don't think it is. You are smart enough to tell the difference between "first confirmed" and "first", why do you think other people aren't up to that level of reasoning?
I didn't read the article properly, and as such I didn't actually notice that point until it was pointed out on this board. I'd imagine lots of people will be the same. And also, if information is posted on a messageboard without a link to the source, it may contain misinformation or be misleading

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Surely this is just a petty insult. "He loves Muse. He's like sooooo gay"
As I've mentioned more than once, I've been to see them live twice, I hardly think I'm in a position to be insulting people for liking them. My point was, just because you think they can sell out any stadium just on the strength of who they are, doesn't make it so


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EVERY live act has its faults. Jovi rely on Cliche. Springsteen is too political. Muse are too cold and impersonal. You pays your money....
Its just like .... had they been around, you wouldn't have got Muse to play the Moscow Peace Festival in '89 would you? Maybe you would have, I don't know, but I wouldn't, because in my opinion, there are certain times where a connection with the crowd is necessary. A historical event such as the first show at the new Wembley would be one of them

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That said. Muse are in the very top flight and have nothing to prove to anyone.

There is no logical reason why the first band to announce a show should be the first band to play a show. If you make that assumption it's your own stupid fault. If having made that assumption you get riled about it, then you are wasting your energy.
Opinions are a wonderful thing :D I think by them being announced first, it is implied that they'll be the first to play, but again perhaps thats just me

Anyway, my problem isn't even with the band, its with ... I'm not even sure, the promoters? The management of the stadium itself? I just think they could have handled it better by either specifically saying or not whether this is going to be the first gig there

BeExcellent 12-07-2006 09:58 AM

Tickets are £37.50 + fees according to Muse.Mu - no mention of Gold Circle.

Neurotica80 12-07-2006 12:11 PM

Just got an email from seetickets confirming Muse will be the first band to play there.

Captain Walrus 12-07-2006 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neurotica80 (Post 711459)
Just got an email from seetickets confirming Muse will be the first band to play there.

If it's the one I got, it says that in the title, but in the main body it just says "first to announce" again?

That right?

BeExcellent 12-07-2006 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711460)
If it's the one I got, it says that in the title, but in the main body it just says "first to announce" again?

That right?

Definitely a case of See talking out of their ass....

Yvonne 12-07-2006 11:07 PM

and if you go here..... http://www.muse.mu/index.php

TheseDays2005 12-07-2006 11:37 PM

Who cares.....

Neurotica80 12-08-2006 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711460)
If it's the one I got, it says that in the title, but in the main body it just says "first to announce" again?

That right?

Yup. Misleading to say the least

BeExcellent 12-09-2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 711425)
I'm not disputing that they have a large fanbase, or that they've gone the right way about getting it (although I strongly imagine that just as many people go to their shows that only know 5 or so songs as go to shows by any other band), but I still say that selling they can 100% definetly sell out any stadium in the UK is pure speculation

Sold out in a morning. Second date already on sale : )

Captain Walrus 12-09-2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 711797)
Sold out in a morning. Second date already on sale : )

That doesn't negative my point :D

Yvonne 12-09-2006 04:56 PM

i got mine

Ollie 12-09-2006 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne (Post 711816)
i got mine

me too...goin both nights :D

Yvonne 12-09-2006 05:34 PM

im just going to the 16th could possibly end up going both it all depends!!!!

Dead Star 12-09-2006 06:43 PM

Going both nights, seated right at the back on the 16th, but I managed to get standing for the 17th. I cannot wait!

MrIks from Finland 12-09-2006 09:57 PM

It is irritating that band like Muse sell out Wembley just because they are first to play there...
That honour should had been given to band like BJ or Stones... to the band who earns it.
You can think it this way: If Wembey would had been ready about 2 years ago there's no way MUSE could sell it out now. But when comes to BJ there would be no problem...
And if BJ is going to perform there let say in year 2009 it is no big deal anymore if they sell it out 'cause even MUSE did it... So I think it is sad...
BJ is little underrated band nowdays and it would be right thing to do to let them open the stadium...
I like MUSE a lot but still they aren't the right band to open... they just aren't.

Yvonne 12-10-2006 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)
It is irritating that band like Muse sell out Wembley just because they are first to play there...
That honour should had been given to band like BJ or Stones... to the band who earns it.
You can think it this way: If Wembey would had been ready about 2 years ago there's no way MUSE could sell it out now. But when comes to BJ there would be no problem...
And if BJ is going to perform there let say in year 2009 it is no big deal anymore if they sell it out 'cause even MUSE did it... So I think it is sad...
BJ is little underrated band nowdays and it would be right thing to do to let them open the stadium...
I like MUSE a lot but still they aren't the right band to open... they just aren't.

Muse are the right band to open Wembley, if thats what theyre doing as theyre an English act. BJ would not be the right band to open purely because they arent from this side of the pond.

Who cares if it sells out whether its Muse, BJ, The Stones etc, the fact is it has sold out regardless and if BJ do choose to play there again and sell it out it will mean something to them.

BeExcellent 12-10-2006 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)
It is irritating that band like Muse sell out Wembley just because they are first to play there...

You severely understimate the popularity of Muse. They are never going to be a mainstream housewive's favourite like Bon Jovi, but even so, there are A LOT of people who are prepared to pay £37.50 for the privalege of seing them.

This year alone, Muse sold out 14 arena shows in mainland britain - at 12,000 people each this amounts to 168,000 people. Add in the crowds at the Reading and Leeds festival which they headlined and you are talking an audience of 300,000, all at sold out shows. To sell out one night at wembley, only one in four of these people would have to be prepared to return and make the journey to London.

Yes, the prestige of the venue was an added attraction, but by no means a necessary one. Twickenham would have sold out just as fast.

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)

That honour should had been given to band like BJ or Stones... to the band who earns it.

1) I doubt very much the Stadium's owners gave any consideration to anything other than whether the promoter was prepared to pay to lease the stadium for the day. It's not a popularity contest.

2) Even if it were, why should the honour go to a band who are treading water and using their former glory to sell tickets. Bon Jovi peaked 10-15 years ago, the Stones peaked 30-40 years ago, Muse are peaking right now.

3) Neither Muse nor Wembley have said that this will be the first show at the venue.

4) Why do you care, anyway?

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)

You can think it this way: If Wembey would had been ready about 2 years ago there's no way MUSE could sell it out now. But when comes to BJ there would be no problem.

You are wrong. See above.

For further evidence see the fact that Muse sold out considerably faster than Bon Jovi did last year.

ANY band's first show at the National stadium is a big deal. It was a big deal for Bon Jovi in 95, and would be just a big a deal for Muse if they had waited a couple of years.


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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)

And if BJ is going to perform there let say in year 2009 it is no big deal anymore if they sell it out 'cause even MUSE did it... So I think it is sad...
BJ is little underrated band nowdays and it would be right thing to do to let them open the stadium...

Well that's just cutting your nose off to spite your face. When Bon Jovi inevitably play their amazing show at Wembley, are you really going to be stood their thinking "I'm not enjoying this. Muse played here two years ago. It's just not the same".

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 711846)

I like MUSE a lot but still they aren't the right band to open... they just aren't.

It really is no big deal.

BeExcellent 12-10-2006 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne (Post 711942)
Who cares if it sells out whether its Muse, BJ, The Stones etc, the fact is it has sold out regardless and if BJ do choose to play there again and sell it out it will mean something to them.

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

bjcrazycpa 12-10-2006 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 711958)
You severely understimate the popularity of Muse. They are never going to be a mainstream housewive's favourite like Bon Jovi, but even so, there are A LOT of people who are prepared to pay £37.50 for the privalege of seing them.

2) Even if it were, why should the honour go to a band who are treading water and using their former glory to sell tickets. Bon Jovi peaked 10-15 years ago, the Stones peaked 30-40 years ago, Muse are peaking right now.

Honestly, must you use the sweeping generalization of Bon Jovi being a "housewives favorite. Ugh, nothing bugs the shit out of me more than to hear that sterotype. I, nor are my close girlfriends, housewives. Muse gets the honor to be one of the first bands to play Wembley, good for them. But, is it necessary to tear down other bands to justify Muse getting the honor.

deb

BeExcellent 12-10-2006 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 711986)
Honestly, must you use the sweeping generalization of Bon Jovi being a "housewives favorite. Ugh, nothing bugs the shit out of me more than to hear that sterotype. I, nor are my close girlfriends, housewives. Muse gets the honor to be one of the first bands to play Wembley, good for them. But, is it necessary to tear down other bands to justify Muse getting the honor.

deb

Tearing down other bands was the last thing on my mind. Apologies if it came across that way. I merely meant to convey the fact that Bon Jovi have a mainstream appeal that Muse will never share. It has been a lonnnnnnnng time since Bon Jovi audiences were predominantly heavy rock fans.

bjcrazycpa 12-10-2006 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 712002)
Tearing down other bands was the last thing on my mind. Apologies if it came across that way. I merely meant to convey the fact that Bon Jovi have a mainstream appeal that Muse will never share. It has been a lonnnnnnnng time since Bon Jovi audiences were predominantly heavy rock fans.

No problem. And yes, I do agree that a Bon Jovi audience is definitely not made up of heavy rock fans. I myself hope to see Muse when they make it back to the states.

deb


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