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steel_horse75 02-22-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1261960)
Jon written about 25 songs for the album,so I think there will be bonus tracks, otherwise he'll keep them for the next box set....
"or they will remain in his computer forever"



He’s says that but I doubt it. If he wrote 25 then I’d expect at least 12-14 on standard release.


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YOVANAfromPeru 02-22-2020 09:55 PM

So you "wake up"
and suddenly it's night "On a night like this"
I need sleep... zzzzzz
P.S. It's all about black clothes I guess...
https://scontent-scl2-1.cdninstagram...d0&oe=5E8A79E7
https://www.instagram.com/p/B82yPRpH70b/

steel_horse75 02-22-2020 10:05 PM

https://www.whatrecords.co.uk/items/...l-lp/94657.htm

Cheapest I’ve seen in uk.
Most expensive is £32.


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TheseDaysEra 02-23-2020 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1261718)



This cover made me laugh out loud. It looks like something out of a political campaign (which is probably the idea anyways). So lame, so disastrous, yet so perfect for what BJ is nowadays - a worn out solo act backed by hired guns. This makes 7800°’s cover look like a piece of art. Rip


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Rdkopper 02-23-2020 04:16 AM

If someone was just tuning in, they would actually think Jon is running for something.

Not only just the album cover but he also has important statements to make about this oppressed Trump filled world we're all battling through...

Reality Check Jon: These are the best times this country has ever seen. All time economic records are being broken thanks to the most accomplished president in US History!!!

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YOVANAfromPeru 02-23-2020 05:17 AM

So I was taking a shower... and 'Limitless' made its aparition in my Bon Jovi playlist. Blablabla it was sooo good...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B84sAvxnPRZ/

GabrielC 02-23-2020 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1261976)

Reality Check Jon: These are the best times this country has ever seen. All time economic records are being broken thanks to the most accomplished president in US History!!!

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:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:

GabrielC 02-23-2020 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1261972)
https://www.whatrecords.co.uk/items/...l-lp/94657.htm

Cheapest I’ve seen in uk.
Most expensive is £32.


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“I have a very clear vision of who and what the band is, and what this record was meant to be,” said Bon Jovi.

Wow. He really is pushing the view that he is the band, huh?

RonJovi 02-23-2020 09:33 AM

Just heard Limitless. Well I heard 75% of it before my phone cut it off. Absolute drivel. ****ing he'll, it's like a parody song. Utter garbage. I've got The Circle on now which sounds like masterpiece compared to Limitless and The Circle is mediocre.

Jon needs to pack it in if this is the shite he's producing. And I actually quite liked Unbroken.

bjcrazycpa 02-23-2020 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1261979)
:lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:



Exactly!


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RonJovi 02-23-2020 02:11 PM

I'm getting a bit pissed off of hearing about Jon's vision for the band. That's CEO talk for Christ sake.

Jon also has to lose the notion that he's some sort of social commentator. He's not and he doesn't have the lyrical brilliance to pull it off or add anything to the discussion.

Jon built his career, and rebuilt it, more than once by writing about emotions people could relate to and putting kick ass tunes behind that. He may point to LOAP. Did anyone fall in love with that song because of what it said about Regan's America or did you fall in love with it because we all know what it's like to struggle in life and the chorus was insanely brilliant.

I'll give him a few songs in the 90s like KTF, DC and Hey God but even then Always, Bed of Roses and TAALS were bigger hits.

It's my Life was another song people could relate to without tying it to politics. Their best work post 2000 were songs in the vein that made them successful (MAM, WLOL, LWTG).

Nobody gives two shits what Bon Jovi thinks about Trump, America or politics. We care about songs that touch our lives and that we can relate to emotionally. What he's producing now is pure shite.

jovifan93 02-23-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1261976)
If someone was just tuning in, they would actually think Jon is running for something.

Not only just the album cover but he also has important statements to make about this oppressed Trump filled world we're all battling through...

Reality Check Jon: These are the best times this country has ever seen. All time economic records are being broken thanks to the most accomplished president in US History!!!

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Man, I always suspected you were delusional. Now I know.

jovifan93 02-23-2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1261983)
I'm getting a bit pissed off of hearing about Jon's vision for the band. That's CEO talk for Christ sake.

Jon also has to lose the notion that he's some sort of social commentator. He's not and he doesn't have the lyrical brilliance to pull it off or add anything to the discussion.

Jon built his career, and rebuilt it, more than once by writing about emotions people could relate to and putting kick ass tunes behind that. He may point to LOAP. Did anyone fall in love with that song because of what it said about Regan's America or did you fall in love with it because we all know what it's like to struggle in life and the chorus was insanely brilliant.

I'll give him a few songs in the 90s like KTF, DC and Hey God but even then Always, Bed of Roses and TAALS were bigger hits.

It's my Life was another song people could relate to without tying it to politics. Their best work post 2000 were songs in the vein that made them successful (MAM, WLOL, LWTG).

Nobody gives two shits what Bon Jovi thinks about Trump, America or politics. We care about songs that touch our lives and that we can relate to emotionally. What he's producing now is pure shite.

I wouldn't say nobody gives a shit about what Jon thinks about the state of the world, but you're spot on about why we like songs and why we don't. A perfect example is WFTWM (I know, I know, people despise it, but I don't) - I like it because of the build up in the bridge, not because of the social or political message it's supposed to be about. I just f*cking love the music of it!

james_d 02-23-2020 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1261985)
I wouldn't say nobody gives a shit about what Jon thinks about the state of the world, but you're spot on about why we like songs and why we don't. A perfect example is WFTWM (I know, I know, people despise it, but I don't) - I like it because of the build up in the bridge, not because of the social or political message it's supposed to be about. I just f*cking love the music of it!

I think that's quite a valid point. If Jon wrote an awesome song that called Trump a knob, I wouldn't care about it being political. But I can't see the actual song being decent.

trevrox 02-23-2020 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1261976)

Reality Check Jon: These are the best times this country has ever seen. All time economic records are being broken thanks to the most accomplished president in US History!!!

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Now there's something that's limitless... your delusions.

steel_horse75 02-23-2020 03:21 PM

Jon isn't a political song writer. Leave that to Springsteen or Dylan.

He may think he is but he isn't and I dont want him to be. Just stick to making stadium anthems.

What even is the message of limitless? Cleaning your teeth and grabbing your shoes means life is limitless?



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Eveline 02-23-2020 03:32 PM


Bon Jovi saying no to politics? Then wondering why the comment section is turned off lol

Rdkopper 02-23-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1261983)
I'm getting a bit pissed off of hearing about Jon's vision for the band. That's CEO talk for Christ sake.



Jon also has to lose the notion that he's some sort of social commentator. He's not and he doesn't have the lyrical brilliance to pull it off or add anything to the discussion.



Jon built his career, and rebuilt it, more than once by writing about emotions people could relate to and putting kick ass tunes behind that. He may point to LOAP. Did anyone fall in love with that song because of what it said about Regan's America or did you fall in love with it because we all know what it's like to struggle in life and the chorus was insanely brilliant.



I'll give him a few songs in the 90s like KTF, DC and Hey God but even then Always, Bed of Roses and TAALS were bigger hits.



It's my Life was another song people could relate to without tying it to politics. Their best work post 2000 were songs in the vein that made them successful (MAM, WLOL, LWTG).



Nobody gives two shits what Bon Jovi thinks about Trump, America or politics. We care about songs that touch our lives and that we can relate to emotionally. What he's producing now is pure shite.

Great post. Very true...

I also want to add that it also comes down to Jon's voice.

He knows he can't deliver anything of passion that requires a strong vocal so he purposely continues with these big anthem type pop songs (if that's what you even call them).

I think he's scared of his classic hits during live performances and doesn't want to even try to create another one in a studio.

I would love nothing more than for Jon to take his time on one last masterpiece. Even if it took him months to record it.

I really do believe that most songs are handed to him 90% complete and he just adds/changes lyrics... There might be a couple he writes himself, but the remaining bulk are just handed over by Shanks or Falcon.

Teardrop To The Sea is a great example of that. That was Billy Falcon song and Jon sang it as is to fulfil Burning Bridges requirements. And probably the reason why he has avoided it ever since.


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YOVANAfromPeru 02-23-2020 10:28 PM

I think the message is to do whatever you want, go off the routine, blablabla.
P.S. Don't mess with my boy Rdkopper, just saying... (I also like Donald Trump)

jovifan93 02-23-2020 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1262003)
I think the message is to do whatever you want, go off the routine, blablabla.
P.S. Don't mess with my boy Rdkopper, just saying... (I also like Donald Trump)

That I do not need to understand, now do I? I mean first the Mexicans, who's to say he's gonna stop there? ;-)

Also the economy may be flourishing (though I have no idea about that and too little time to read up on it), but maybe that's inspite of Trump and not because of him, ever thought about that?

YOVANAfromPeru 02-23-2020 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1262005)
That I do not need to understand, now do I? I mean first the Mexicans, who's to say he's gonna stop there? ;-)

Also the economy may be flourishing (though I have no idea about that and too little time to read up on it), but maybe that's inspite of Trump and not because of him, ever thought about that?

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I find Donald Trump a funny man... -_- >_< jajaja.

Rdkopper 02-24-2020 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1262005)
That I do not need to understand, now do I? I mean first the Mexicans, who's to say he's gonna stop there? ;-)

Also the economy may be flourishing (though I have no idea about that and too little time to read up on it), but maybe that's inspite of Trump and not because of him, ever thought about that?

What happened in Mexico? He wants people to obtain legal citizenship and also wants to create a better security system to keep people safe... The dems and media will make you believe he's a racist for that because they will let anyone in for votes.

Trump is to credit for the economy. 4 Million Jobs Created of which 400,000 are manufacturing job - growing at a faster rate than in 3 Decades.

I can tell you one thing he didn't do. He didn't give 150 Billion to Iran while they chanted death to Americans!!!



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bjcrazycpa 02-24-2020 12:49 AM

20/20: The New Album
 
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1262008)
What happened in Mexico? He wants people to obtain legal citizenship and also wants to create a better security system to keep people safe... The dems and media will make you believe he's a racist for that because they will let anyone in for votes.

Trump is to credit for the economy. 4 Million Jobs Created of which 400,000 are manufacturing job - growing at a faster rate than in 3 Decades.

I can tell you one thing he didn't do. He didn't give 150 Billion to Iran while they chanted death to Americans!!!



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And blowing a gigantic hole in the deficit is because of what? So much for the Republican Party and fiscal responsibility.

And you need to check your job creation stats with a credible government website and you will see that President Obama had more job creation and that was starting off with an economy in the shitter. Trump inherited a good economy. And don’t tout 401ks/stock market as making everyone’s day to day life better as most working class don’t even have a 401k.


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james_d 02-24-2020 01:31 AM

If we could not have political discussions that would be lovely

Captain_jovi 02-24-2020 01:44 AM

Seconded, there are other parts of the board to talk abut that stuff. Let's keep it off the new album thread.

bjcrazycpa 02-24-2020 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1262013)
Seconded, there are other parts of the board to talk abut that stuff. Let's keep it off the new album thread.



Apologies! Y’all are correct.


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Rdkopper 02-24-2020 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1262010)
And blowing a gigantic hole in the deficit is because of what? So much for the Republican Party and fiscal responsibility.

And you need to check your job creation stats with a credible government website and you will see that President Obama had more job creation and that was starting off with an economy in the shitter. Trump inherited a good economy. And don’t tout 401ks/stock market as making everyone’s day to day life better as most working class don’t even have a 401k.


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So even though Trumps been our president for nearly 4 years now, you're still giving Obama credit for all the job growth, trade deals, manufacturing jobs, and record breaking unemployment lows? Trump just inherited all that? Wow, I can't believe that's all you people have after 4 years... And 8 years later, you'll still credit Obama for the economy... Geeze...

Oh and you're also upset why? because not everyone has a retirement plan or some type investment plan? Minimum wages are being spiked across the entire country. Anyone can open an IRA or mutual fund.

You dems are unbelievable. Just a small population making a lot of noise. Go back to being brainwashed by CNN... It looks like Bernie, who is a socialist, is you're only hope. Talk about a messed up party. And thanks to that impeachment stunt, we'll probably end up getting the House back too... Great job wasting tax payer dollars...

I can't wait till the debates just so I can watch Trump mop the floor with that crazy bastard.



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Kathleen 02-24-2020 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1262010)
And blowing a gigantic hole in the deficit is because of what? So much for the Republican Party and fiscal responsibility.

And you need to check your job creation stats with a credible government website and you will see that President Obama had more job creation and that was starting off with an economy in the shitter. Trump inherited a good economy. And don’t tout 401ks/stock market as making everyone’s day to day life better as most working class don’t even have a 401k.


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Thanks Deb and you are correct too.

bjcrazycpa 02-24-2020 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1262015)
So even though Trumps been our president for nearly 4 years now, you're still giving Obama credit for all the job growth, trade deals, manufacturing jobs, and record breaking unemployment lows? Trump just inherited all that? Wow, I can't believe that's all you people have after 4 years... And 8 years later, you'll still credit Obama for the economy... Geeze...

Oh and you're also upset why? because not everyone has a retirement plan or some type investment plan? Minimum wages are being spiked across the entire country. Anyone can open an IRA or mutual fund.

You dems are unbelievable. Just a small population making a lot of noise. Go back to being brainwashed by CNN... It looks like Bernie, who is a socialist, is you're only hope. Talk about a messed up party. And thanks to that impeachment stunt, we'll probably end up getting the House back too... Great job wasting tax payer dollars...

I can't wait till the debates just so I can watch Trump mop the floor with that crazy bastard.



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Out of respect for Matt and James who have asked to stop this chatter I won’t respond and blow holes in all the points you missed.


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Rdkopper 02-24-2020 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1262017)
Out of respect for Matt and James who have asked to stop this chatter I won’t respond and blow holes in all the points you missed.


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I know... it's all smoke and mirrors.. we are really living during oppressed times and Trump should only be credited when things are bad and/or made up...

All the good things are because of Obama, Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren.

Nancy Pelosi should be impeached for throwing a temper tantrum on national TV.

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Captain_jovi 02-24-2020 02:54 AM

Dude. Cut it out.

bounce442 02-24-2020 07:08 AM

Can we talk about the cover art for a second? For a band that put so much thought and effort in the WAN cover art just a few short years ago, I can't imagine how they wouldn't put in a little more effort? It's hard to imagine anyone thinking that this was a good idea. It's cringe worthy.

They used to value photo art for the albums. Keep the Faith, Crossroads, These Days, Crush, hell even Destination Anywhere had cool, themed photography. Bounce had some nice shots. But with every album since Bounce, their photography has gone downhill.

Does anyone have info about 2020s photography? This is garbage. Is this really JBJ seeing a pic of JFK, taking a quick and ridiculous picture and telling his record label creatives to make it happen? "Let's make it black and white so people know I am serious". Who else is surprised they didn't color spot the flag in his glasses?

For a second I thought Limitless just might be the best they are capable of at this point, but after thinking about this cover, like the cover, I think it's just as much effort as they are willing give.

jovifan93 02-24-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1262021)
Can we talk about the cover art for a second? For a band that put so much thought and effort in the WAN cover art just a few short years ago, I can't imagine how they wouldn't put in a little more effort? It's hard to imagine anyone thinking that this was a good idea. It's cringe worthy.

They used to value photo art for the albums. Keep the Faith, Crossroads, These Days, Crush, hell even Destination Anywhere had cool, themed photography. Bounce had some nice shots. But with every album since Bounce, their photography has gone downhill.

Does anyone have info about 2020s photography? This is garbage. Is this really JBJ seeing a pic of JFK, taking a quick and ridiculous picture and telling his record label creatives to make it happen? "Let's make it black and white so people know I am serious". Who else is surprised they didn't color spot the flag in his glasses?

For a second I thought Limitless just might be the best they are capable of at this point, but after thinking about this cover, like the cover, I think it's just as much effort as they are willing give.

Probably. And it's black and white because you don't notice Jon's gray hair as much ;-)

steel_horse75 02-24-2020 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1262021)
Can we talk about the cover art for a second? For a band that put so much thought and effort in the WAN cover art just a few short years ago, I can't imagine how they wouldn't put in a little more effort? It's hard to imagine anyone thinking that this was a good idea. It's cringe worthy.

They used to value photo art for the albums. Keep the Faith, Crossroads, These Days, Crush, hell even Destination Anywhere had cool, themed photography. Bounce had some nice shots. But with every album since Bounce, their photography has gone downhill.

Does anyone have info about 2020s photography? This is garbage. Is this really JBJ seeing a pic of JFK, taking a quick and ridiculous picture and telling his record label creatives to make it happen? "Let's make it black and white so people know I am serious". Who else is surprised they didn't color spot the flag in his glasses?

For a second I thought Limitless just might be the best they are capable of at this point, but after thinking about this cover, like the cover, I think it's just as much effort as they are willing give.

The photo of Jon is awful. OK keep the cover if you really have too but the actual picture of Jon is terrible.

rolo_tomachi 02-24-2020 01:03 PM

tribute to NYC

polevka 02-24-2020 01:13 PM

I mean with the idea of naming the album 2020, the cover is appropriate. To me it shows a bit of attitude, which I also see in the released songs, and I consider this a plus.

Also, I like the production used for the songs. It's compact and if the whole album will sound like that, I'll prefer it over THINFS (too poppy guitars, e.g. DITT) and WAN album.

steel_horse75 02-24-2020 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1262027)

prefer that version. Not so rushed as has some extended interludes.

Theres a word JBJ says in this song "choking" and it sounds like classic JBJ.

bonjovi90 02-24-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by polevka (Post 1262028)
I mean with the idea of naming the album 2020, the cover is appropriate. To me it shows a bit of attitude, which I also see in the released songs, and I consider this a plus.

Also, I like the production used for the songs. It's compact and if the whole album will sound like that, I'll prefer it over THINFS (too poppy guitars, e.g. DITT) and WAN album.

I honestly don't hear any attitude in limiltess other than Jon crapping out a lead single. He said about a decade ago himself that he could write these kind of songs in just 3 to 5 minutes and I strongly believe he didn't spend more time on this one here.
And I'd really like to know where Limitless sounds less poppy than anything on THINFS or WAN. With Unbroken, yeah I get that a bit. But Limitless is as artifical and bubble-gum pop as BJ can get these days.

bonjovi90 02-24-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1262027)

After listening to this, I get the feeling that life is, I don't know, limitless? :mrgreen:

Nice job editing this one! I think it says a lot when the original video is outdone that fast by a fan edit (just like it happened with WWWU).

jovifan93 02-24-2020 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1262027)

Great job!


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