Originally Posted by Butters (Post 1258893)

I think the evidence is clear that JBJ cannot deliver something powerful, let alone something even bearable to listen to. His live performances over the last five years prove that definitively. I do agree that there is some studio ****ery that can be used to make him sound, not even bearable, but really good! Hence, why I'm sure I will like some or most of the record. However, I know it is all lies and he can't actually deliver the songs and that just sucks all of the magic out of it.

It would be like if somebody created a technology that really accurately mimicked a person's voice and used it to create a new Elvis Presley album in 2020. Would I listen to it? Yeah. Might I like some of the songs? Yeah. Is it the same as listening to an actual Elvis song? Nah, because it isn't real. And ironically enough, Jon summed it up perfectly in Last Man Standing.

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1258897)

I agree that the live performances are over, but as for studio albums, Jon can still do decent music, with some powerful song, even if you have to use some tricks. Is WWYDF not working for you? because I was quite satisfied with their voices. We Don't Run has a claw and it sounds sharp, I mean those tricks. And I am not referring to a magical album like These Days.

In fact it is curious how Burning Bridges has better voice takes than THINFS. Are we sure they belong to the same recording sessions?

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1258898)

Aloha !



No, they don't. They were all outtakes from previous sessions before he blew out his voice for good. But that's not really the point.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1258900)

But that has already happened even before Jon lost his voice, from have a nice day we have seen these tricks increase. I remember even when they released the 1-minute preview of the single Have a Nice Day the same day of live 8. My first feeling was that this was not Jon, his tone sounded so changed with respect to all of the above, he had manipulated and equalized so much. However, it was not only a success, people loved that song. What I say is that not everything that is manipulated is shit, sometimes it works.

About Burning Bridges recording again, do you think the voices were recorded in previous years? If that was the case, then there were some demos or something similar, maybe, and if that was the case, maybe in those demos Richie is playing the same guitar solo on songs like WWYDF and Fingersprints? later, Shanks replicated it as Richie did in that demo? maybe, with some variation? If Shanks was so good, why is there not similar in THINFS?

Originally Posted by thesedays2014 (Post 1258905)

Lot of interesting points there...

You can tell since Shanks became the producer, all the studio trickery has been doubled each album. That’s why Jon keeps hiring him. Personally I think there is some production I like (some of LH, some of TC), but I can’t generally stand that super compressed sound. Just compare the Bounce sound (with its loops and other ‘tricks’ too) to HAND. You can hear every main instrument and those drums are just so in your face. Personally I think Tico has suffered the most in the Shanks era lol.

BB has some fantastic songs and some songs which are just engineered and produced to an amazingly high standard. Just listen to Billy Falcon’s TDTTS, then Bon Jovi’s studio version. Take Fingerprints, such a simple song (imagine it without those solos). Take WWYDF, straight from the 80s (Jovi mixed with Phil Collins) and take WDR, totally modern, but sharp, with a mean bass and strong (though artificial) drums.

You can tell Shanks’ guitar work was recorded in many takes (Fingerprints for example), but BB has some of the best guitars since TD.

Why didn’t Shanks repeat this type of experimenting on THINFS? I guess there’s a few reasons: nobody cared for BB (OK, Jon was the first, but even on here everyone said it was shit), it was just a collection of experiments and B-sides and Shanks trying to be a guitar hero. A lot of the production was also very dated (something I personally love and I think it fits Jovi totally),...

Going back to the new record...it’ll be Walls/Imagine Dragons production with maybe one or two half decent Phil sounding tracks...such a shame (hopefully not), compressed vocals and instruments and gibberish wannabe politician lyrics.

Originally Posted by thesedays2014 (Post 1258905)

Lot of interesting points there...



You can tell since Shanks became the producer, all the studio trickery has been doubled each album. That’s why Jon keeps hiring him. Personally I think there is some production I like (some of LH, some of TC), but I can’t generally stand that super compressed sound. Just compare the Bounce sound (with its loops and other ‘tricks’ too) to HAND. You can hear every main instrument and those drums are just so in your face. Personally I think Tico has suffered the most in the Shanks era lol.



BB has some fantastic songs and some songs which are just engineered and produced to an amazingly high standard. Just listen to Billy Falcon’s TDTTS, then Bon Jovi’s studio version. Take Fingerprints, such a simple song (imagine it without those solos). Take WWYDF, straight from the 80s (Jovi mixed with Phil Collins) and take WDR, totally modern, but sharp, with a mean bass and strong (though artificial) drums.



You can tell Shanks’ guitar work was recorded in many takes (Fingerprints for example), but BB has some of the best guitars since TD.



Why didn’t Shanks repeat this type of experimenting on THINFS? I guess there’s a few reasons: nobody cared for BB (OK, Jon was the first, but even on here everyone said it was shit), it was just a collection of experiments and B-sides and Shanks trying to be a guitar hero. A lot of the production was also very dated (something I personally love and I think it fits Jovi totally),...



Going back to the new record...it’ll be Walls/Imagine Dragons production with maybe one or two half decent Phil sounding tracks...such a shame (hopefully not), compressed vocals and instruments and gibberish wannabe politician lyrics.

Originally Posted by thesedays2014 (Post 1258905)

Lot of interesting points there...

You can tell since Shanks became the producer, all the studio trickery has been doubled each album. That’s why Jon keeps hiring him. Personally I think there is some production I like (some of LH, some of TC), but I can’t generally stand that super compressed sound. Just compare the Bounce sound (with its loops and other ‘tricks’ too) to HAND. You can hear every main instrument and those drums are just so in your face. Personally I think Tico has suffered the most in the Shanks era lol.

BB has some fantastic songs and some songs which are just engineered and produced to an amazingly high standard. Just listen to Billy Falcon’s TDTTS, then Bon Jovi’s studio version. Take Fingerprints, such a simple song (imagine it without those solos). Take WWYDF, straight from the 80s (Jovi mixed with Phil Collins) and take WDR, totally modern, but sharp, with a mean bass and strong (though artificial) drums.

You can tell Shanks’ guitar work was recorded in many takes (Fingerprints for example), but BB has some of the best guitars since TD.

Why didn’t Shanks repeat this type of experimenting on THINFS? I guess there’s a few reasons: nobody cared for BB (OK, Jon was the first, but even on here everyone said it was shit), it was just a collection of experiments and B-sides and Shanks trying to be a guitar hero. A lot of the production was also very dated (something I personally love and I think it fits Jovi totally),...

Going back to the new record...it’ll be Walls/Imagine Dragons production with maybe one or two half decent Phil sounding tracks...such a shame (hopefully not), compressed vocals and instruments and gibberish wannabe politician lyrics.