He is allowed his view and you're allowed your view of the band and what their music means to you. No need to slag him off over it which your post does.

Bit petty in my opinion.

I had a different avatar but it was considered less appropriate. Never really paid any attention to having similar ones. But, GMTA!

Ok. So if I'd be agreeing it would be all cool huh?

But I totally agree on everyone being allowed to ones opinions. That still doesn't remove the right to disagree or to debate.

You don't really though because you insulted the guy for having an opinion different to yours. It's not accepting his opinion if you say stuff like

"You and your likes would buy just about anything with the name Bon Jovi on it."

"No need to put any effort to anything, crap will sell no matter what."

It's condescending.

It's no surprise that the blind Jovi fans are the ones with the worst taste in music.

But really. That is nothing but true.

But it's not.

If Jon Bon Jovi decided to sing, for example, a bunch of One Direction covers, no-one would buy it.

Do you really think that Bon Jovi put "no effort" into this album because that is blatantly untrue?

1st. I could bet a lot that it would sell just fine.

2nd. How come that is untrue? Songs that don't require much effort played live. Everything watered down. Following same formula that is more or less proven to please certain audience in the states. Nothing original, just calculated.

No need to atack others, but now that you mention it I think that your music taste is crap.

Considering the One Direction album is better than this new one, yes I think people would buy it. At least they know how to make a pop album.

You say "they" as they had wrote at least one song in their record.

You listen to Nickelback and I listen to David Bowie.

Look at the huge difference.

Do you want a medal? Perhaps a nice little certificate?

Very good.

One Direction have a very different type of music to Bon Jovi. Now you can be sarcastic about it if you want but they do.

Do you own the One Direction album by the way?

Implying I need to listen to Bowie to have good taste in music. You listen to Bruno Mars, Barbra Straisand, and you are a Prince fan and I have bad taste on music?

You say this record is generic and listen to U2 who all songs seems to be out of the very same album as they are all the same? (i don't hate them, though)

And you listen to Nirvana, the most overrated band of the lastest time.

Sorry, but I couldn't give much of a **** about what you say to me when you love those bands.

And as the user above me says: Do you want a certificate? We all know you love Bowie, we all know you masturbate with his music. We get it man, why don't you go to a Bowie forum and write him a love thread? Because since I registered here you're by far the most negative user in the forum, I honestly don't see the point. I wouldn't register to a One Direction forum to say they suck and I love Bon Jovi so, really, why are you here? You've already said that you lost all hope in the band.

Nope. Nor do I plan on owning the new Bon Jovi album.

Just because it's better doesn't mean it's good. ;)

1. No it wouldn't sell just fine. Would it sell some copies? Probably. But I'd bet most of the people who like What About Now wouldn't buy it because it would be a betrayal of what Bon Jovi are and always have been.

They've always written their own songs. Okay they've always followed the latest trend but they've never been a covers band. They certainly wouldn't release an album of covers of the latest flash in the pan and if they did, I'd bet 'the likes' of Rdkopper wouldn't buy it.

If you want to debate, at least be honest and realistic.

2. You said they put in 'no effort'. The clearly put in some effort or the album wouldn't exist. Otherwise, I'd have a bunch of albums too because I've put no effort into making music in my lifetime. You also have no idea how much time they spent writing the album.

You and millions of others don't like what Bon Jovi have become. That's fine. I understand why. You're entitled to your opinion. Rdkopper, myself and millions of others still like what they do. It isn't as good as some of their earlier work, like every band, but it's still a version of what made me love this band in the first place.

My opinion isn't better than yours any more than your opinion is better than mine. So debate away but lose the superiority complex.

How do you know it's better?

I have a step sister. They have catchy hooks and big choruses. Something Bon Jovi used to be all about. Now...? Nope.

So you've listened to it the whole way through? And you've listened to What About Now the whole way through? And you think the One Direction album is better?

What? I never buy records, what does that have to do with bitching?

Chillax dude.

Me and about 10 million 13 year old girls! :D

Yes, just listened to the album last night.

No, haven't listened to all of One Direction so I just assumed.

But I have listened to the new Justin Bieber album as well as Taylor Swift. And I honestly think they are both better albums, yes.

Well I don't think you belong on a Bon Jovi forum to be honest. You clearly have musical tastes that are very different to the type of person who likes Bon Jovi or you hold the band in such low esteem that you really shouldn't waste your time here.

The original point was that most Bon Jovi fans wouldn't buy an album of Bon Jovi covering One Direction. Given that most Bon Jovi fans would disagree with your opinion of 1D completely, I still stand by that.

I would argue that your (as well as several others on this forum) musical taste is extremely limited and shallow.

Yes, I love Taylor Swift. But I also listen to music from Iron Maiden to Of Monsters and Men to Norah Jones to Aerosmith and Bad Company to Savage Garden, Coldplay or Oasis. Or Will Smith (Yeah I dig that) and Transit or even some Jay Z and Kanye West. I also like a lot of underground dubstep.

I am not *limited* and therefore I can find good music everywhere. This is NOT good music and I am not any less of a Bon Jovi fan because I think this album is a pile of poop. I liked Lost Highway. I liked Crush. I liked the boxset. I don't belong on a Bon Jovi forum? Pfffft. I love the band and would put them in my top 3 favorite bands of all time. Why then would I not belong on a Bon Jovi forum if I don't like every thing they piss out?

You're probably right about my musical taste albeit I like a lot of what you listed there. Thing is, if I'm spend time on music, I make sure it gives me some pleasure.

If you genuinely believe that the 1D album is better than What About Now, it's hard to see how you genuinely like stuff like Crush and Lost Highway.

I didn't buy the whole album. I bought the good tracks so I could have them in good condition.

Didnt even download it, will wait for the CD! Cant wait!!!

Ahh, so YOU'RE the one who gets to decide who's a fan and who's not!

Except you don't. I'm a fan of Bon Jovi. Why? Because I say so. I hate everything they've done in the last few years, but I'm still a fan. I also like Taylor Swift. As well as AC/DC and KISS. And Sting. And Tom Waits. And a hell of a lot more music you've never even heard of.

You have NO right telling anyone if they are fans or not. No right telling anyone they're not allowwed to post here.

And best of all, you claim they're not fans because of their taste in music? What are you, 12 years old?

There is no democracy of Bon Jovi fans. We're all as different as anyone else. Don't make the mistake of thinking that even 1% of Bon Jovi fans are like you, because they aren't. Don't think you know how Bon Jovi fans think. You don't. You know yourself. Stick to that. Don't ever try to tell anyone if they're fans or not and what music they're allowed to listen or not to listen. That's juvenile and close-minded.

This is an open message board for a reason. If you want to find blind followers like yourself and RDKopper, go to the BSWJBJ boards. They'll love you there. But here, respect the opinion and "fan"-ness of others. If you won't do that, I'm sure you'll find it very difficult to be here.

Ice

I completely agree with you. If I could get "Don't think you know how Bon Jovi fans think. You don't. You know yourself. Stick to that. Don't ever try to tell anyone if they're fans or not and what music they're allowed to listen or not to listen." engraved as my signature forever I would, you worded it perfectly. Though it's coming from both sides. Panda calling anyone who likes the new stuff shallow and not open to new music is exactly the same as someone saying you're not a fan if you don't like it. Both sides are doing it and it's stupid.

I would've responded but I would have just been saying the same things Captain and iceman just said.

Aloha !

People dismissing that plenty of songs on this record aren't written the same way One Direction and Justin Bieber are merely shows how little people actually know about the way music is written, produced and thought out. Not everyone "understands", for most music will just be music, and there's no such thing as actually thinking beyond what goes on that catchy tune.

Don't get me wrong, this is not me slamming people for liking Bon Jovi's output, that's up to you. It's just that I don't get a lot of people on here. There's so much "we don't want Bon Jovi to sound like they did in the eighties, we want them to evolve" and yet as soon as someone actually brings in an artist like Bowie, people wind up slamming the artist that is actually all that Jon would love to be.

Bon Jovi used to be able to write pop rock songs who'd be more than just being a catchy tune, it's why they managed to achieve such great success in the eighties and then again in the nineties. If you like this stuff that's fine by me, but if you proceed to then diss both One Direction and Bowie in the same arugment you kind of lose your credibility there. Bon Jovi have stopped evolving close to 20 years ago. They've started copying others, and if there's on record that shows it, it's this one. If you can't see it that's fine, but don't bitch when someone points out things that are blatantly obvious to others.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

One Direction and Bowie in one sentence is funny, really:-).
And I don't think that Jon would like to be like Bowie since they are on the opposite end of an scale. He went away for ten years and nobody really heard from him (apart from a few exceptions) Jon never went away. Yes, Jon would love to be an icon like Bowie but that will never happen.
WAN IS following fads and fashion with big pop music and a big production. What made BJ special in the 80's and 90's were their talent to create good songs, classic songs, that are rather timeless. Well, not anymore.

Looking back a little, there were those good rocking days. So yes, Jon went away. He just haven't realized it yet.

Off your high horse son.

I don't decide who is a fan or not. I wouldn't even try. My post to Panda saying that I didn't think he/she belonged on a Bon Jovi board was because he/she said that they thought that One Direction's album was better than Bon Jovi's most recent effort and by Panda's own admission, the 1D album wasn't even good.

My point is that if Panda thinks Bon Jovi and their recent efforts are that bad, then why would you bother wasting time on a Bon Jovi board. Nowhere did I say "I don't think you're a fan so stop posting on this board." But you couldn't see that because you thought you'd take the moral high ground and jump in and talk a load of nonsense.

I'm not surprised that you haven't seen it, but the comment about musical taste was specifically related to One Direction and was calling Panda on the fact that he/she was being flippant with their comments about the 1D album being better than WAN. Try reading it again and see if you can read between the lines of it.

And how do you know I'm a 'blind follower'? Are you claiming that you know me? Have you just been guilty of what you falsely accused me of?

Irony is a wonderful thing.

I mentioned 1D so I'll take the bait on this.

Nowhere did I attempt to pretend that I know how the albums are written and recorded. But there is a massive difference between WAN and a One Direction album so if the above pseudo intellectualism is directed towards any of my posts, then all I can say is lose the superiority complex and read what I wrote.

You said, and I quote:

You obviously think you know what a "Bon Jovi fan" is like. You don't.

Yes, and it was stupid of you to do so. Like I said. It doesn't matter if he likes listening to cow farts, he has still as much of a right of being here as you do. Without anyone, not even you, questioning it.

Again, that's not for you to decide. He can spend his time here and post here all he wants. And again I quote you:

You're in no position of giving out orders or "suggestions" to anyone. If you don't like what he does, fine, but don't tell him to leave the board.

Not in those exact words, but the sentiment was very clear. Take a look at the quotes above.

No, I take offense in you telling others what Bon Jovi fans like or don't like. I take offens in you claiming they're all like you. I don't take any moral stands, I'm telling you to behave.

I read it and understood it very well, and that's why I posted. It was idiotic from you to say that he's wrong or that he's not allowed to post here because he thinks One Directions album is better than WAN. Again, even if he thought cow farts were better than WAN, it still wouldn give you the right to question his musical taste ofr degree of "fan"-ness. Panda is entitled to his opinion, without you judging him for it.

But what I do gather from your posts "between the lines" is that you're an insecure teenager who feels threatened by boy bands.

Oh, it's just something that's easily deductable from all your posts. I don't know you, nor do I want to. But I know what you post here and how you act.

An example of a "blind follower"-mentality: someone who genuinely believes that Bon Jovi albums sell because of their quality.

And I'm not telling you you can't be one. You can like or not like whatever you want, and I won't tell you you're wrong or that you can't do that. But what I will say is that you can't judge how big of a fan someone is buy their taste in music. Or taste in anything else for that matter. It's for each to decide on their own and act as they see fit.

Yes, if you only knew what it meant...

Ice

You keep throwing the term "superiority complex" like you know what it means.

No one here is saying they're better (or worse) than you. What they are saying that One Direction or cow farts, it doesn't matter. YOU think it's not good enough, I might think otherwise and I'd be just as right.

One Directions album is probably technically much better than Bon Jovi's, it probably has better songwriters writing songs, more hits on it and it will sell more copies than WAN. There are differences, yes, but not like you'd want there to be.

Seriously, you act like a teenage boy, who's deadly afraid of his girlfriend falling in love with a boy band member.

One Direction is this years NKOTB. More power to them, I hope they sell a shitload of albums. And I don't necessarily like their music, so what? I won't lose anything because of it, neither will you. If someone likes 1D's album better than Bon Jovi's, great! If not, so what?

Ice

Aloha !

It wasn't aimed at anyone personally here, really. Just like there's no pseudo intellectualism in my post, but I can see why one would see it that way though.

I do wonder however what this massive difference between WAN and a One Direction album is though.

Exactly. I don't like One Direction, but it's build around a formula and it works rather well. Bon Jovi's latest record is build around a similar formula yet fails miserably on pretty much every level. Building a pop rock song for an audience of 20-40 year olds is not the way to go. There's a reason why One Direction has so many young fans, and they certainly won't get interested in a 50 year old miming a song in a boxing ring. I honestly don't understand what's so difficult to understand about it, just like I don't get why it isn't so blatantly obvious to everyone else. But again, feel free to explain to me where the massive difference is.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Downloaded it yesterday, bought the SE today, and ripped it.

I never said anything about "a Bon Jovi fan" being anything. Read my posts. The most I said is that MOST Bon Jovi fans wouldn't agree that the latest One Direction album is better than WAN or that 1D are better than Bon Jovi. I stand by that. If you think >50% of Bon Jovi fans would disagree then I'm doubting that you are right.


Cow farts. How mature. Again, I never questioned anyone's right to be here.

I didn't give any orders to anyone nor did I tell anyone to leave the board.



I never said that all other Bon Jovi fans are like me. As I stated, I said most Bon Jovi fans (i.e. > 50%) would not agree that 1D's album is better than WAN.

And don't give me "I'm telling you how to behave". Being a keyboard warrior doesn't become you and I don't take instruction from people who are so hot headed and immature that they can't see facts and knee jerk react to stuff.

I never said Panda was wrong and I never said he isn't allowed to post here.

And I'm not a teenager plus I'm actually a big fan of the daddy of boybands so they don't really threaten me. But that's you judging someone you don't know. Oh the irony.

Show me the posts that show I'm a blind follower genius.

No, no don't u-turn quicker than a spineless politician. You said earlier:

"Don't think you know how Bon Jovi fans think. You don't. You know yourself. Stick to that"

Yet you say I'm a blind follower. Stinks of hyporcrisy that does.

Listen buddy, I've just shown above 5-6 times how you've taken what I've said and seen what you wanted to see rather than what I said. That doesn't reflect well on you. You're also a hypocrite. That's unfortunate too.

If you want to debate with me, at least do me the courtesy of talking in facts.