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cqleonardo 03-07-2018 06:24 PM

Bon Jovi and Skid Row
 
Did Jon and/or Richie helped on the writting or production of the first Skid Row record? Neither of them have any credits on the album but Jon was promoting the band at that time....

bonjovi90 03-07-2018 07:06 PM

There are rumours that they at least helped writing "18&Life" and "I Remember You" since these songs differ pretty drastically from the rest of the album. Some even go as far as saying that they stem from the New Jersey writing sessions.
However, nothing's been ever confirmed about that.

Dave 1986 03-07-2018 08:06 PM

There's a few threads about this if you use the search function, this this one's quote comprehensive;

https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...y-skid-t52155/

Becky 03-07-2018 08:34 PM

Jon and Richie had publishing rights which pretty much equates with being songwriters. There have always been rumors of them ghostwriting for Skid Row and Gorky Park. Jon has publicly said he’s written for Skid Row, but he’s never been credited on an album. This was when he was talking about writing for other artists in general. He said their name along with other artists. It wasn’t a conversation about Skid Row.

Nige 03-07-2018 08:38 PM

I'm out on tour with Skid Row atm; I'm trying to work out a polite way to ask if they have any Richie info. Might subtly try bringing this up too!

Alphavictim 03-07-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1235530)
There have always been rumors of them ghostwriting for Skid Row and Gorky Park.

They were credited as writers for Peace In Our Time.

Becky 03-07-2018 10:22 PM

I know, but there were rumors that some of the other songs were written by them as well.

That was a goo CD. I need to find it.


ETA: It’s on Amazon Prime, so I’m listening to it now. It’s weird how I can remember every word of these songs that I have not listened to in probably 20 years, but I can’t tell you what I did last Wednesday. Aging is so much fun.

steel_horse75 03-08-2018 12:45 AM

Bon Jovi and Skid Row
 
Jbj May have been in the same room when 18 & Life was written and thrown a few ideas in but he never “wrote it”.
He Certainly didn’t write anything on Slave to the grind and Subhuman race.

I can hear Jbjs influence in the song that was only released for the skid row greatest hits - Forever. That was wrote for debut skid row album but never used.

BD135 03-14-2018 07:48 PM

Snake Sabo has said in interviews that they would take songs to Jon and Richie to listen to and they would tell them the song wasn't good enough and they'd go back and work on it more.

DestinationJovi 07-05-2019 05:01 PM

TMZ asked Sebastian Bach about the Taylor Swift feud with Scooter Braun about owning her masters and in the video he says he heard a couple years ago that the masters of Skid Row's first album were lost. He said he doesn't know if it's true or not or if they're in Jon's basement or what, but that he doesn't really care.

I know the fight over their publishing has been discussed here over the years, but this is the first I've heard him say he's pretty much over it.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/05/skid-...er-recordings/

YOVANAfromPeru 07-06-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1256649)
TMZ asked Sebastian Bach about the Taylor Swift feud with Scooter Braun about owning her masters and in the video he says he heard a couple years ago that the masters of Skid Row's first album were lost. He said he doesn't know if it's true or not or if they're in Jon's basement or what, but that he doesn't really care.

I know the fight over their publishing has been discussed here over the years, but this is the first I've heard him say he's pretty much over it.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/05/skid-...er-recordings/

I remember JBJ saying in an interview that “There’s a big room” that he has with music stuff and clothes and everything but about Skid Row, who knows?

YOVANAfromPeru 07-24-2019 07:13 PM

Snake Sabo thanked to Jon Bon Jovi on the Austria shows to give him the oportunity to tour again after all these years...
Now that I saw both bands separated I think I like both lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcSbymAHjl6/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CXaDLADLm/

Tom_K 07-24-2019 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1257667)
Snake Sabo thanked to Jon Bon Jovi on the Austria shows to give him the oportunity to tour again after all these years...
Now that I saw both bands separated I think I like both lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BcSbymAHjl6/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CXaDLADLm/

On your Instagram you wrote JBJ co-wrote the song 18 And Life. What is the source of this information?

Thinny 07-25-2019 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_K (Post 1257685)
On your Instagram you wrote JBJ co-wrote the song 18 And Life. What is the source of this information?

There is no source for that information. It's just a long standing rumour from waaaaay back, when Jon said he wrote some songs with Skid Row and people thought 18 And Life sounded like it could have been on New Jersey (apparently...)

BonJovi100 07-25-2019 09:33 PM

If I remember correctly there is video when Jon is driving by car and sait - here we wrote with Skid Row "18 And Life".

bonjovi90 07-25-2019 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1257743)
If I remember correctly there is video when Jon is driving by car and sait - here we wrote with Skid Row "18 And Life".

Yep I think it was on BJTV in 2000.

Thinny 07-26-2019 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1257745)
Yep I think it was on BJTV in 2000.

Really? I don't remember that at all...is there any footage of it anywhere!?

bonjovi90 07-26-2019 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1257763)
Really? I don't remember that at all...is there any footage of it anywhere!?


From 1:28 onwards ;)

Thinny 07-26-2019 01:04 AM

Interesting thanks. Although he never says that "he" wrote it there, just that "it" was written there and that Rachel and Snake came over and played him their ideas for the song...open to interpretation though for sure.

bonjovi90 07-26-2019 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1257769)
Interesting thanks. Although he never says that "he" wrote it there, just that "it" was written there and that Rachel and Snake came over and played him their ideas for the song...open to interpretation though for sure.

I don't think he initially wrote it, but I remember either him or Dave saying that Dave came up with material to him and he'd give his verdict. I think he may have hand in tweaking the song because it has a Jovi feel to it, but I believe the story that Snake originally came up with it after having read that newspaper article.

steel_horse75 07-26-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_K (Post 1257685)
On your Instagram you wrote JBJ co-wrote the song 18 And Life. What is the source of this information?



He didn’t.
Sabo and bolan played Jon all the songs they had wrote for the first album and Jon gave them advise on tweaking certain things and potential final track listing.

I’d have put forever and rescue you on the debut album. Great tracks.

But Jon and Richie didn’t write 18 & life or any other skid row song


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steel_horse75 07-26-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1257770)
I don't think he initially wrote it, but I remember either him or Dave saying that Dave came up with material to him and he'd give his verdict. I think he may have hand in tweaking the song because it has a Jovi feel to it, but I believe the story that Snake originally came up with it after having read that newspaper article.



Correct.


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Alphavictim 07-26-2019 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1257784)
I’d have put forever and rescue you on the debut album. Great tracks.

I wasn't aware of Rescue You (or had forgotten about it because I didn't originally think much of it). IMO the pre-chorus is a bit too much 1985 heavy rock standard for the debut album. Of course, that (and the chorus arrangement) could have been cleaned up in the studio and by the producer.

My personal fav of the demo tracks by these guys is still Edge of the Night.

steel_horse75 07-27-2019 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1257815)
I wasn't aware of Rescue You (or had forgotten about it because I didn't originally think much of it). IMO the pre-chorus is a bit too much 1985 heavy rock standard for the debut album. Of course, that (and the chorus arrangement) could have been cleaned up in the studio and by the producer.



My personal fav of the demo tracks by these guys is still Edge of the Night.



Shame shame, behind the 8 ball are also great.
But there’s something about rescue you that just hits the sweet spot.


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YOVANAfromPeru 08-02-2019 06:20 AM

Sebastian Bach interview, a lot of Bon Jovi mentions... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...w-tour-851928/ (complete interview)

Today, are you on good or bad terms with the Bon Jovi guys?
I’m on good terms with them. I saw Richie in Vegas. We did a song together with Dee Snider onstage for a charity thing. Before, a couple years back in the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, Jon, Richie, and I killed about 10 bottles of wine [laughs]. I haven’t seen Jon in a while, but we were definitely having a great time the last time I saw him.

Can you explain to me why Jon Bon Jovi collects royalties from Skid Row’s debut album?
Because he helped us out. He took us on the road for the whole New Jersey tour, and we signed what was called a production deal at the time, which gave him a cut of the proceeds if we were successful. The last thing anybody ever thought would happen. But actually we were quite successful. It wasn’t exactly an overnight success. It took at least two weeks. On the road with him, it was a quick rise.


You don’t seem bothered that he still gets a cut.
Some people say [Jon Bon Jovi] got overcompensated. But as years go by, I look at the chance we were given, and most likely, we never would have made it without going on that tour.

That’s a very diplomatic answer.
Yeah. But we were also given Bon Jovi’s accountant, a guy by the name of Bruce Colgretter, if you really want to get into the nitty-gritty. That was [pauses, laughs] very handy.

cranberry 08-11-2019 07:24 PM

In early 1988, Jon’s interest in his hometown friend’s band led to this locally popular outfit being signed to McGhee Entertainment Inc. Soon afterwards, Skid Row landed a recording contract with Atlantic Records. Jon used his considerable influence to trumpet the virtues of this new band every chance he got in media interviews. And he provided them with valuable exposure by hiring them to play support to Bon Jovi on part of their next tour. It pleased Jon to be able to help Dave Sabo in this way. --- Bach had developed a problem with the terms of the contract Skid Row had entered into years earlier with Jon and Richie’s New Jersey Underground Music Company. The needle he felt about this was now spilling out on stage in remarks about the headliners. ~ From the book "Jon Bon Jovi, The Biography" by Laura Jackson

Doc's younger brother Scott became Skid Row's manager and in return for songwriting advice, Jon signed them to a publishing deal with his and Richie Sambora's company New Jersey Underground Music. In their naivety, Skid Row agreed to a deal that ceded a large proportion of their future earning to this company. Skid Row have now sold millions of records but have yet to see most of the money. ~ Star Man: The Right Hand Man of Rock 'n' Roll by Michael Francis


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