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Jon wrote a political album. He's saying socially conscious but the more I read about it, its political so its almost impossible to avoid.
This world really needs a pick me up right now. Not some bullshit song like Ameican Reckoning. "Am I Next, Am I Next". Those lyrics are depressing and are not something I want to hear on a Bon Jovi album right now. Every media outlet is shoving this stuff down our throats 24/7...We really dont need a Bon Jovi album to raise awareness. We need a Bon Jovi album to escape it all. Here is the thing with Americans and politics... It's okay to like whomever you like. That's the beauty and freedom of it but it should never be discussed. If you take a look at the past 4 years, you can obviously see why. I'm more than guilty of it myself but I've come to realize that I'm not really upset about people's views and choices... I'm more upset about people's instabilities to keep those views to themselves. I don't think I've ever started a political conversation. I've only responded to them. I'm more about, if you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. So at the end of it, I'm just responding to Jon's statements, public views, and song lyrics. If Jon did the right thing and kept it to himself, I would have never muttered a political statement on this thread. If you watch the old Jon - Blaze Of Glory interview with Kurt Loder, Jon even says that his political views are kept quiet. Agree or Disagree, It's no one's business but their own... That's the Jon I like and respect!!!! Sent from my SM-A015V using Tapatalk |
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I'm 37 and much more politically engaged now then when I was 21. I don't think we have much of a choice anymore. The album may not be any good, who knows, but I'd rather get a taste of the real JBJ in the music than one he fabricates to avoid offending anyone. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk |
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There should be more to JBJ then politics and Jon's always been a brilliant fictional writer. Again, Blaze Of Glory was written from a movie script. There are other directions Jon could have moved in and I'd even give him a song or two but not an entire album. As a matter of fact, I don't think this is The Real JBJ at all... He's obviously not a politician, he wants this album out before the election to influence his fans to vote in a certain way, and I really don't know who Jon is trying to impress or what's on his agenda but addressing topics that have been beaten to death by the media show zero originality to me. Yes! Can't wait to hear a song on gun violence!!! What's the over / under that Lower The Flag is nothing more then American Reckoning and Unbroken part 3? I can already vision Jon's raspy voice and melancholy attitude. Sent from my SM-A015V using Tapatalk |
I agree this thread isn't the place for a political discussion; but the content from the album makes that a little difficult. And since others have managed to get their points across while calling people out for it, I'm going to say this one thing and then shut up. People who don't live here, or who base their opinions on "facts" they get from most of mainstream media, are only considering one half of the story.
I'm neither Republican nor Democrat; and I'm certainly not a Trump supporter. He makes my skin crawl; and I wish to God someone would cancel his Twitter account. But while he may not have done everything right with COVID-19, I doubt anyone else would've done any better. And, in fact, most of those enlightened Democrats, who spend more time pointing fingers than they do trying to accomplish something good, aren't doing any better. But you don't hear that, day in and day out, like you hear the media jump on everything Trump does or says, doing everything they possibly can to discredit him. His comments are taken out of context to create headlines and italicized blurbs because they know that's all 90% of the people are going to see. The COVID numbers are inflated. From Day One, the media and Tw-idiots have played "pick and choose" with the statistics to draw attention and create widespread panic in an effort to discredit the Trump administration. The Democrats and the liberal media have been pissed since the impeachment process let them down when Trump was acquitted; and they're scared witless because they know they don't have a candidate who could stand against the Republicans in November on the issues alone. So they're using the only weapons they have, which is to trash the opponent and rally behind someone (that over half of them have no confidence in), by pushing emotional buttons and chanting "vote blue no matter who". Likewise, the numbers of "social justice" incidents are being similarly jacked up, while our cities are being trashed by "peaceful" demonstrations that are encouraged by Black Lives Matter, a group founded and led by well-trained Marxist organizers. Their goal is to break down our political system and societal institutions, including family, education, and religion; and from the state of things right now, it seems they are making inroads towards doing just that. COVID-19 and the George Floyd killing gave the Democrats, the liberal media, and BLM a golden opportunity, and they are exploiting it to the max. They're playing this situation like a Stradivarius; and a lot of people who don't read past the headlines, or who listen only to the soundbites, are buying into it - hook, line, and sinker. From what I've seen in the lyrics for 2020, Jon's just singing their song. |
Hey guys, let's not. Lots of places on the board for all of this type of discussion. Please keep it out of here.
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So much I could say to all of this but don't have the energy and I clearly won't say anything to change these very entrenched views so I am goin to enjoy my day off. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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"I don't want an album that mentions X" is perfectly fine "I don't want an album that mentions X because it's hoax perpetrated...." is political talk. Just open another thread and go nuts. (This isn't me piling on anyone, I just woke up and hadn't been on the board in a day so it's bout the amount of posts I missed). Speaking of, back up to Steel Horse, apology accepted. But again, please stop ramming your opinion down everyone's throats. You're checking a thread for something you hate to remind everyone and we hate it. |
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You all enjoy the album, or not. I'll keep my Jovi related comments to Twitter etc going forward. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk |
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I for one appreciate your points of view on Jovi even when we don't completely agree. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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And once the album comes out, it'll be the usual chorus of negativity anyway. I just have better ways to spend my time. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk |
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Capt Jovi just did the exact same thing that the mainstream media does. He deleted certain posts and kept others to fit the agenda.
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Love, acceptance, inclusion, empathy etc. Which is the complete and total opposite of what Trump stands for. Perhaps, you'd feel differently if you lived here and had to follow this cluster**** every single day for the last four years. Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk |
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Guys, isn't it about time for you two to end that discussion? It's really getting uncomfortable for the rest of us to follow your endless arguing.
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Asking for world peace through brilliant lyrics is not a song about Stormy Daniel's. How about its rephrased to "Moden Day Politics" Jon is choosing sides. But I wouldn't mind a song about world peace... just not an entire album of them. Sent from my SM-A015V using Tapatalk |
****ing hell, I can't believe this bollocks is still carrying on.
Let's get back on track. The album is out in what, four weeks or so? Is anyone actually excited? I've never been this unenthusiastic about an album before. I'm looking forward to going into town and into the music shop and buying it as I always do with Bon Jovi and having it in my hand but in terms of actually listening to it, I'm really not that excited. I'm hoping something changes my mind soon but I can't see it. I think it's going to flop really badly over here as well. Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk |
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Jay, I'm excited even if it disappoints. Bon Jovi is my band and I want them to continue so....I'm in lol! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Even the album cover depresses me a bit. Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk |
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Well even if it's just a couple of songs I hope then you are pleasantly surprised! But you are talking to the one person who really likes Limitless ha ha!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I'm holding out hope. If the songs are melodic snoozefests and the lyrics are worth my time then I'll at least have that. A song like Lonely I can't listen to often but when I do I'm blown away. The lyrics to Blood In The Water have me absolutely piqued, the rest haven't really impressed me.
Still 8 songs that could have some gold on it but I can't see a world I'll be over the moon with the entire project as a whole. |
Yeah, it's not that I'm not holding out hope. I'm just not excited in any way for this album and I can't put my finger on why.
I'm not judging a full album on the songs we have heard so far but nothing is getting me remotely up for this album. That may change on the day. Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk |
Armageddon is airing on TV and though it sucks quite a lot, Mr Big Time is a goddam song :D
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But it's also that I don't feel any excitement from the band members. No tweets, no short video clips of Jon, no radio interviews or anything like that. Before the release of THINFS, there was much more in terms of him going into deeper conversations with radio hosts and talking about how he worked off his demons on that record. That made me feel connected. Everythime I see him these days, there's a bottle of wine in the clip. |
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I agree the lyrics we already heard are REALLY depressing; let's hope the album is not ALL about politics 'cause he said this last year: "I'm talking about gun control, I'm talking about politics, I'm talking about the society differences and what's happening here in the States. And of course there are rock 'n' roll songs 'cause life is bigger than just, you know, what's going on in society..." |
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Perfectly summed up. The fact they wouldn't wait for David to be available to film the album still really pisses me off but I also think it shows how much David probably isn't fussed about the new material either. If it were me I'd be like - you're waiting for me. I honestly don't think David and Tico had any input (maybe even played) on the album. A BJ album has never been so JBJ heavy. Its literally Jon on cover, out of the videos there's only one with the band and even then they are blurred in the background, jon only on the merch and he wrote 8/10 songs which isn't good given his last efforts. From the lyrics we've seen they dont inspire me I just think is this really what Bon Jovi have become? Yes I love the old stuff but I dont want NJ2 or SWW2 - I'd even take WAN2 at this time. There's just nothing about 2020 that remotely grabs me. This is the first album I'm not buying day of release. Ill wait for Spotify and if I like 3 of the tracks we havent heard ill consider myself lucky and buy it when it goes on sale. Seen a few people say this could be the album that finishes the band and I agree. Apart from the people who love everything they do (twitter is full of Jovi freaks) the people who didn’t like/buy the last few albums won’t be queueing up to buy this either. I’m not being negative but I’m just gutted what this band have become now. It’s horrible when a band you love release stuff you no longer like. Finger crossed the remaining tracks are great. Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk |
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I'm positive that the new album will have some songs with nice melodies and good (or at least ok) lyrics. But the way Jon sings the new songs almost makes it unlistenable for me. This morning when I drove in my car I listened to the German rock radio Radio Bob and they played Do What You Can. The melody is catchy, no doubt about it. Although I didn't like it after the first listen here I gave it a chance. So it's ok when you hear it on the radio. But Jon's style to sing the lyrics just sucks. It isn't even about him hitting the notes or not, that's not the problem with the studio versions. But his pronunciation is terrible and stops me from enjoying any new songs no matter how good they might be. |
I think this is the worst cover they ever did for an album. Even WAN and THINFS had a cool meaning. I would take the 7800 any day over this one
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I know we shouldn't compare and I'm already regretting typing this out BUT, I was listening to 'I Believe' on my way back to work before and wow. Just wow.
The vocals, drums, intro, guitar, backing vocals, lyrics etc... It's genuinely a different band (I know we have lost members) now. It's absolutely crazy. I'm not saying I want another Keep The Faith or anything like that but it was just giving me goosebumps listening to it before and I haven't had that for a while with Bon Jovi. Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk |
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I remember that feeling very well when HAND was released. I was in 9th grad and the song premiered on the radio and it was such a great feeling. The song felt energetic, uplifting and fresh. Ever since then, I had hope for a new single to give me that feeling again and it never happened. I know we won't be getting another album like in the 80's and 90's in terms of quality, but I'm still hoping for a song that has some enegy, power and desire to it. We Don't Run came a bit close, even though it felt somewhat forced, but it had drive and punch and made you turn the volume up. In 2009, Jon told in the WWWB documentary that he doesn't like to write the downer song, but I fear there are too many of this and too little of really uplifting, energizing material on the new album. |
There is less than 1 month left, I hope the machinery starts, and releases more information about the album release, confirmation of bonus tracks, some preview and stuff.
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I went digging and saw that THINFS previews came out roughly two weeks before the album but we also had the live show in full long before that. I would guess by this time next week we'll have something.
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