To me it sounds exactly like this: Playing the album in its entirety and filming it. It's exactly the kind of wording Jon uses when he wants to play a full album.
Anything else wouldn't make any sense either. Shooting "some images" for television? Who wants to see that? And making a full movie with a story line already tanked with Destination Anywhere. Since the record company doesn't spend too much money for a good single video they definitely won't pay for a full movie.
Honestly guys, this discussion is senseless.

Ooooooohhh, talkbox!

All those guitars yet the 4 songs weve heard so far barely has any guitars in them. Cant imagine the 6 we haven't heard are all balls out Rockers.

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Yeah agree.

Lost highway live in full was good (even though album has a few too many slow songs) but the band were still decent then and jon could still sing. With 2020 there's already 4 songs im skipping.

I have a feeling 2020 will be autotuned to hell and cut to make the band sound half decent.




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As long as it's in line with the other live performances we've had over lockdown I'm not really bothered about the autotune/mixing as the performances have sounded decent.

Aloha !

You can't compare the release of a VHS with the way videos are distributed nowadays.

As for the rest; I don't think any one cares and these things are just vanity projects for Jon Bon Jovi to constantly prove to himself that he's still got it because really, what else is he going to do? It's admirable to see him constantly try but a little embarassing to see there's no one talking him out of it considering the constantly mediocre results. During last time's live event for J̶o̶n̶'̶s̶ ̶r̶o̶s̶e̶ charity he was outshined by a session guitarist.

But then again... There's suddenly people on this board thinking Lost Highway in full was good and the last performances are decent so there's always that.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

The wine concert was only decent in relative terms. There is no way to argue that it was a good performance in actuality. Jon voice was still very, very bad.

The Lost Highway DVD is a good product. At the time it was pretty original in that (with the exception of TLFR which doesn't really count) the band had not performed one of their albums live and in full. The performance was also very good. Some of the performances on that DVD are arguably among the best performances of those songs.

If they produce a concert like Bruce did for Darkness in the Edge of Town without an audience, it could be good.

Why? Because back then people were willing to really buy a physical copy if they were interested?

In 1997 at least in Europe Jon was a superstar. Even that didn't help to make it a hit.
In 2020 Jon is an old, former rockstar who desperately tries to be relevant but actually besides some group of die-hards no-one cares.
So your point of distribution ways for videos is nonsense. It wouldn't change anything either way.

That's, unfortunately, really more true than ever.
Last week, I was wearing a KTF shirt one day and got asked twice by colleagues: "Are they actually still making music or are they retired by now?"
That being said, one of them actually saw them on the KTF tour and one of them around the Crush era I think. Both into rock music and none of them having any idea Bon Jovi was still releasing albums.

Until now only Wikipedia mentions Shine and Luv Can as bonus tracks.

They had been mentioned somewhere else previously as bonus tracks for Japan only.

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/feature/Bo..._Luv_Can_Shine This went up August 5th.

So it is true because 2 of your colleagues thought so? In 2000 My cousin called them 'Altrocker' in 2004 my teacher asked if they are still around. I mean it is not as if BJ only sell a few thousand tickets per tour. Yes, they are not as successful as they used to be but saying Jon is desperatly trying to stay relevant is a bit too much.

That's completely past the point I was making.
I said that their recent outputs have gone largely unnoticed by the general public and made them rather irrelevant in this field.
Them still being able to shift good tickets since they've become a nostalgia act people want to see in concert is something different.

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Bon Jovi to play a 7 song set for iHeartRadio + the 2020 album in its entirety

https://youtu.be/_jfXpleqsfg

That sounds cool, not that I'm expecting anything particularly interesting lol

If only Jon could sing that would be interesting.
And following the discussion,the LH DVD is boring to death,I only could watched it twice,so if LH DVD is boring,2020 show will be the "funniest" thing ever...

Aloha !

There's plenty of people thinking these performances were good. Just have a look at any video with Jon Bon Jovi hitting a note that's just slightly above his lower range. People think he's capable of singing Always just because of that even though everything he sings sound flat and out of breath.

Really? What song on the DVD sounds better on the DVD than anywhere else?

No, it couldn't. The songs just aren't there. Darkness on the Edge of Town doesn't have 4 songs on it no one cares for. Lost Highway and 2020 do.

Yes, it does. You're thinking the VHS didn't sell because of low demand but the thing didn't sell because barely anyone knew it was out there. The promo was focussed on the album because music VHS didn't sell at all anyway. Even if you were a die hard you still had to pay about 30 Euro's for the VHS and ask your local record store to order it for you.

Compare this to Facebook, YouTube and Twitter with everything available for free and available with one or two clicks. Aand you're saying the point of distribution ways for videos is nonsense?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

When ? Any idea ?

Jon said “very, very soon” but that could have meant them recording it. We haven’t seen the video for Do What You Can Yet...but that’s unrelated. The album is 5 weeks away come this Friday. So my guess would be in two/three weeks but would love to be surprised and get it sooner. It was interesting to hear Phil describe the style of this album as “cleaner”

The Hampton Water Concert was the first performance I enjoyed in a long time. Mr Brightside, Here Comes The Sun and Bad Name weren't bad at all.

Considering the LH DVD: Any Other Day was pretty amazing,IMO. And far frombeing boring

Yeah, I'm with you on this. He still sounds crap and has had a lot of work on the vocals but it doesn't bother me anymore because it's always going to be doctored now and you either enjoy it for what it is or you don't.

The show itself wasn't fantastic or anything but enjoyable is the right word, for me anyway. Mr Brightside second verse was decent for today's standards. A couple of other songs weren't too bad either. The best thing was how much fun they had. It just made it a lot more enjoyable.

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philx1111:
''as i mentioned, 1 show is 7 songs. the 2nd show is 20. plus some songs are in 440 & some are in Eb so you need a few in both & backups in case a string breaks.''

''well there are different tunings. most classic jovi is performed in Eb & the new record is mostly 440 so it's nice to have different sounds in both tunings & of course spares one case a string breaks. when i go out with the drills it's usually 2 guitars in a dbl gigbag. ROCK!!''

Yes, I do. Because it doesn't change anything for Bon Jovi in 2020.
You might be right with the situation in 1997 (I can't check it either way) but your plea seems just to be for the sake of discussing. It adds nothing to the discussion.

VERY interesting that the new album is being performed in standard tuning. Thanks for finding that!

I don't know anyone who had to take more crap for his voice than Jon. So I get why they get doctored. And I actually ennjoy his lower register more these days than I did when he was younger.

Yes, I wish them to have fun and Jon to get even more of his confidence back.

It's doctored because it's necessary to do so? :mrgreen:

:D:D

I am actually positively surprised that many people here liked the performance, that certainly means that they must have done a lot of doctoring :mrgreen:

After 30 years of downtuning live Jon probably had the idea that it's way easier to record the songs right from the beginning in a lower key so they can play it live just like on the record :D

And to get a serious note in here as well: It would allow them to play the original track in the background as a back-up to Jon's live vocals as well. Just a thought...

Aloha !

Yes it does, I just explained why it does. You bring up an example you can't back up and then tell me my point adds nothing to the discussion. And what plea is this you're talking about?

What original track? The vocal track? It'd be possible if they'd tune it down as well, all they'd have to do is transpose it to the key they're performing in. Still, it's not going to work because Jon's studio vocals sound so very different from his live vocals. It'll be as if he's singing along with himself.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

For the most part the songs are recorded in standard and played live half a step down. If I understand Phil correctly everything is staying at standard tuning which would be a big difference (one I don't see the point of I guess?). I'm not sure I follow why they would need to play the original vocal track in the background, that's what Everett is for.

Yes, you explained it. It might be true but it can't be checked either. Jon did a helluva lot of promo for DA. So I highly doubt your point that nobody knew about it. But it doesn't matter. The reason why your point doesn't add anything to the discussion is that it doesn't really matter if distribution for DA was different than it is today or not. My point is that the interest for the band/Jon is on an alltime low. Even if the conditions were the same there's no way a 2020 Bon Jovi movie would be a success.

Or do you, especially YOU, want to tell me the opposite? ;)

Yeah, that's what I said.

Only the 2020 songs (if I understand him correctly).

I'm not saying they need to do it. It might just be an easy way to back him up.

Maybe I misunderstood then, it was phrased as if this was something new when this has almost always been case. Gotcha gotcha.

The Destination Anywhere VHS also didn't sell because the whole thing was broadcast on MTV, IIRC. So people could tape it and didn't need to buy it.

Considering the tuning on the new album: well maybe the songs are already as low as Jon can handle and tuning them down a half step live would make them unsingable?

That would be worse than the coronavirus.
The tuning on 440 Hz is easier to set to everybody.
Songs like Unbroken and American Reckoning are horribly low, lower would be almost terrifying.
Limitless and Do What You Can are low too, if you think about it.
This album could be the lower Bon Jovi album ever, but if the songs are like Diamond Ring I have no problem. (*dreaming*)

Well, that's what I meant - the songs are already horribly low, as you put it, and then lowering that even further live would sound even worse or maybe even not function at all.

Wonder what the 7 other songs are?

Who says
Lost highway
Whole lot of leaving
Capt crash
Prayer acoustic.
2 covers


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Even great songs like Dying Ain't Much Of A Living were sang in a lower key. It works. But delivery is key. Emotion and passion. Which are now completely gone.

I'm sorry but I just can't get excited for this stuff anymore. Between the voice and the new music, live performances give me more anxiety then enjoyment now a days.

I'm still trying to unravel my brain as to why Jon was praying to TB during wine pong... And then starts chanting Tom Brady after he makes the shot... It's just as awkward as Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah's couch.



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