Jovitalk - Bon Jovi Fan Community

Jovitalk - Bon Jovi Fan Community (https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/index.php)
-   General BJ Discussion (https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   It's time to let Bounce rest in peace. (https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/showthread.php?t=5946)

krb102 01-27-2003 11:13 PM

It's time to let Bounce rest in peace.
 
Whatever the next single is off of Bounce, it will not do well and will not help to promote the album. The only single that has hit potential is Undivided (even though its lyrics are laughable) but I don't think they will release this.

Many people on here think that if they release Bounce as the next single it will do well. It won't. It isn't catchy, and it is a very simple song with the same message repeated over and over again in every single line. It is quite an annoying song actually now that I think about it.

Some people have said that they want The Distance to be released. While it is a good song, it isn't the sort of stuff that goes to the top of the chart.

The two 'ballads' on Bounce are both quite weak. One contains hardly any instruments, and the other contains almost no emotion.

All of the other songs on Bounce are not hit material. They should swallow their pride, open their wallets, and release Undivided as the next single. As much as I think this song is overrated, it has hit potential. And what's wrong with making money from dead Americans? George Bush is prepared to do it when he eventually takes control of the oil in the Middle East.

I doubt they will do this though. They should let Bounce rest in peace as an album that was designed to sell, but ultimately failed, and stop trying to prolong its dying agony. I hope they realise this when/if they write the next album, and make an album which is true to themselves.

letitrock 01-27-2003 11:34 PM

i agree with a lot of that yes! most of it in fact

i've been listening to the album a lot recently (i still don't like it) but i'm finding that a lot of the songs could have been so much better if they'd recorded them slightly differently...

personally i've found that a lot of the verses are very good, and riff-driven...

where i think the album fails is in the choruses..

at least the chorus of undivided allows jon's voice to shine a little - and undivided is a song i have really begun to like a lot (yes, with the exception of the lyrics)...

Bounce is probably too much of a "shove the message down your throat" sort of a song, and i think they could have done a song with the same concept much more subtle - it would have been much more powerful that way also...

... but then again without sounding politically racist, it does fit in perfectly with the simplistic primary-school teachings of Bush's administration in the US

joviscout 01-28-2003 12:11 AM

Making money out of dead americans shouldnt bon jovi leave that to george bush?. I think bounce would make a good single but sounds a little to much like everyday. Undivided would flop in brittain completely as its far to heavy i dont think it would chart at all. The distance is proberly the best bet as it is hard enough to keep the heavy fans a little happy (lets face it there never really happy) and commercial(SP) enough to chart.

Jovism19 01-28-2003 12:22 AM

It may be your opinion that Bounce sucks, but remember that it is just that,it's not fact. I on the other hand think it is a decent and enjoyable cd, not their best, but not bad by any means.

RyanBounce04 01-28-2003 12:23 AM

Undivided or Bounce would be the best singles... Why wouldn't Undivided be a great choice? The chorus and guitars are great, lyrics are healthy and are full of hard-hitting words that brings back memories from the past. Undivided would make an awesome single. Bounce would be a great single too.. Probably the best choice. The Distance is a little bit too... Fairytale.. It sounds cheesy, but think about it... I don't think it will do well. Seeing as how everyone loved It's My Life. Bounce is a mirror-image of the song. Bounce has catchy lyrics, it is upbeat and shows great potential... those are my votes..

BOUNCE,
Ryan

krb102 01-28-2003 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jovism19
It may be your opinion that Bounce sucks, but remember that it is just that,it's not fact.

Yes it is.

letitrock 01-28-2003 12:48 AM

:lol:

genuine laughter too!

jedijovi 01-28-2003 12:56 AM

Undivided won't work -we already have Bruce and The Rising to thank for monopolizing the dancing on the graves of dead Americans market. I still wonder what we could have seen from the E Street band without 911. To tell you the truth I have given up on radio embracing Bon Jovi. I think any life Bounce has left will be from the tour and maybe some excitement around this box set, DVD, and 20th anniversary stuff coming up. I think it may get to platinum in the US but it will be a slow climb there. BTW, The Rising is now sinking like a stone on US Charts despite 5 Grammy nominations. Again, no radio play. Prepare for Bon Jovi to now be a classic rock act- they will sell out shows but I think their time as a force on pop/rock radio is probably over. But maybe I will be proven wrong.

Myguitar 01-28-2003 12:58 AM

Well, I don't think there is anything in this world that could please KRB so who cares about what he has to say. You have two exact same topics on the board at the same time and I have no clue why you even waste your time being here.

Bon Jovi are past their prime and even if they recorded another "stairway to heaven" they still wouldn't sell a million albums. NOTE - They are past their prime.

If you don't like BOUNCE just because it doesn't sell as well as SWW than go buy something that does sell well like N'SYNC, Springsteen, Creed or Dave Matthews or your fellow canadian friends Nickelback...

I bet you everything KRB that if BOUNCE was at the 5 million mark right now you'd be here praising it.

"It's my Life" and "Crush" did well overall because people wanted to see what new stuff Bon Jovi had in store. After most got dissapointed (judging by the number of used copies in the CD stores) they weren't waiting for a new album. Just in case you didn't notice, BOUNCE got better reviews than CRUSH, Slippery or any other BJ album. The only one I was able to find that had more good reviews was These Days. And that only sold a million, or even less.

Bounce is OK at best but if it wasn't a BJ album, it would have done so much better. I have read a few CRUSH and BOUNCE reviews that were done by the same people and all of them pretty much said that BOUNCE was better.

But I do understand if you don't like it, it's your opinion and I respect it. But don't say it's a cheesy-lyric album. If you want cheesy check out POISON , WARRANT or the first four BON JOVI albums..

Myguitar 01-28-2003 01:06 AM

Joviscout:

I don't think that anyone on this side of the sea (including the band) cares about any airpaly or success in the UK. UK music is a pathetic joke and it has been since the early 90's. The only band that still makes sence from overseas is U2 and probably also Rammstein. Well, Rammstein just because they are very influential on the underground scene in the US...

It's a shame that the country that gave us the Stones, Led Zep, The Beatles, Queen, Elton, Ozzy and many more age defining rockers has only a fistful of bad crap to give us these days.

joviscout 01-28-2003 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myguitar
Joviscout:

I don't think that anyone on this side of the sea (including the band) cares about any airpaly or success in the UK. UK music is a pathetic joke and it has been since the early 90's. The only band that still makes sence from overseas is U2 and probably also Rammstein. Well, Rammstein just because they are very influential on the underground scene in the US...

It's a shame that the country that gave us the Stones, Led Zep, The Beatles, Queen, Elton, Ozzy and many more age defining rockers has only a fistful of bad crap to give us these days.

i couldnt agree more brittish music is piss poor. However it still isnt nice to watch your band flop in the charts.

letitrock 01-28-2003 01:10 AM

Quote:

It's a shame that the country that gave us the Stones, Led Zep, The Beatles, Queen, Elton, Ozzy and many more age defining rockers has only a fistful of bad crap to give us these days.
worded absolutely perfectly...

then again the US market still isn't much better, despite being better than the UK... sorry the market is good in that bands can easily tour there such as scorpions who can't here in uk, but the charts are still dominated by crap...

but then there's nothing good being produced to challenge it which stands ahead of it...

Mike 01-28-2003 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myguitar
Joviscout:

I don't think that anyone on this side of the sea (including the band) cares about any airpaly or success in the UK. UK music is a pathetic joke and it has been since the early 90's. The only band that still makes sence from overseas is U2 and probably also Rammstein. Well, Rammstein just because they are very influential on the underground scene in the US...

It's a shame that the country that gave us the Stones, Led Zep, The Beatles, Queen, Elton, Ozzy and many more age defining rockers has only a fistful of bad crap to give us these days.

I'd like to defend the UK here......but I can't :(

The charts is dominated by boy bands / pop idols & Daniel Sodding Bedingfield.

Mike

choclady 01-28-2003 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myguitar
Joviscout:

I don't think that anyone on this side of the sea (including the band) cares about any airpaly or success in the UK. UK music is a pathetic joke and it has been since the early 90's. The only band that still makes sence from overseas is U2 and probably also Rammstein. Well, Rammstein just because they are very influential on the underground scene in the US...

It's a shame that the country that gave us the Stones, Led Zep, The Beatles, Queen, Elton, Ozzy and many more age defining rockers has only a fistful of bad crap to give us these days.

I'd like to defend the UK here......but I can't :(

The charts is dominated by boy bands / pop idols & Daniel Sodding Bedingfield.

Mike

same here :(

but if i remember correctly: didn't all that making the band/popstars crap come from the USA? ... :roll:

Myguitar 01-28-2003 01:17 AM

It's still a fact you can't deny that Bon Jovi and the Stones will make the most money touring this year. Just go to bonjovi.com and check out the tour dates - BJ will be touring pretty much every other day for the next few months. The only competition to both bands can be the Aerosmith / Kiss tour later this year but it won't be because that starts in the fall.

joviscout 01-28-2003 01:18 AM

nope that was created in the uk.

choclady 01-28-2003 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joviscout
nope that was created in the uk.

really? but surely it all started with making the band (o-town) and then they did the popstars thingy in england....no?

Mike 01-28-2003 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choclady
Quote:

Originally Posted by joviscout
nope that was created in the uk.

really? but surely it all started with making the band (o-town) and then they did the popstars thingy in england....no?

I'm afraid we in the UK have to take the credit. It all started with Nasty nigel & Hearsay :(

mike

iluvjbj 01-28-2003 01:24 AM

Bounce could do much better on charts. If they did not release "EVERYDAY" as a single. It is the biggest mistake ever. That song is not even good. And the second single "Misunderstood"..?? Whar were they thinking.?? Bounce is a great album. And far better than Crush. But Crush did great on charts cause they released "Its my life" first. Everyday is the worst song in Bounce and they released it as a single. THAT WAS JUST WRONG.. and thats not enough..cause second single was "Misunderstood.. and i heard third is "ALL ABOUT LOVING YOU"...??? Band needs to use their heads cause BOUNCE can do alot better if they realese better singles ...like Hook me up., the distance or Bounce.

joviscout 01-28-2003 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choclady
Quote:

Originally Posted by joviscout
nope that was created in the uk.

really? but surely it all started with making the band (o-town) and then they did the popstars thingy in england....no?

Oh right. Forgot about that but not sure if that was before or at the same time as popstars, spent my time trying to avoid them both.

Bobz 01-28-2003 01:31 AM

The problem with the charts here in the UK is that they are controlled by 13 year old girls, who are only interested in the pop idol type groups because they measure up to what they want to grow up to be, or the boy they want to date, 40 year old rockers with great songs arnt going to be able to get into that sort of audience, and so will never sell the number of singles/albums required to get high in the charts.

If you go to bars/clubs in the UK that have live music, you will see that rock is alive and well... with good songwriters... it's just that there isnt the commercial market for those bands so they cant get a deal.

Bobz

choclady 01-28-2003 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
Quote:

Originally Posted by choclady
Quote:

Originally Posted by joviscout
nope that was created in the uk.

really? but surely it all started with making the band (o-town) and then they did the popstars thingy in england....no?

I'm afraid we in the UK have to take the credit. It all started with Nasty nigel & Hearsay :(

mike

oh i remember that :D i loved nigel :lol: :lol:

jedijovi 01-28-2003 01:42 AM

Bon Jovi were the top ticket sellers at Pollstar last week. I believe they will always be a live force to be reckoned with, just like Bruce and The Stones.

choclady 01-28-2003 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedijovi
Bon Jovi were the top ticket sellers at Pollstar last week. I believe they will always be a live force to be reckoned with, just like Bruce and The Stones.

not quite, at least not here in germany...

Mongoose 01-28-2003 01:46 AM

Quote:

Undivided won't work -we already have Bruce and The Rising to thank for monopolizing the dancing on the graves of dead Americans market.
grr The Rising was a fantastic album and a fitting tribute to 11/9

Mousebounce 01-28-2003 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongoose
Quote:

Undivided won't work -we already have Bruce and The Rising to thank for monopolizing the dancing on the graves of dead Americans market.
grr The Rising was a fantastic album and a fitting tribute to 11/9

I loved The Rising...that is a GREAT album! I don't think it "danced on any graves." It was very well put together. :evil:

joviscout 01-28-2003 01:52 AM

If bruce was dancing on the graves of the 9/11 attacks wouldnt he have called his album ground zero?

Mongoose 01-28-2003 01:53 AM

woooo woooo mousey :D


black sheep ale is very nice! try to find some in yankeeland, ask your students if you cant find any. Im sure they know all about beer :D

choclady 01-28-2003 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongoose
woooo woooo mousey :D


black sheep ale is very nice! try to find some in yankeeland, ask your students if you cant find any. Im sure they know all about beer :D

goose, dear, her students are only 12 years old... :oops: :roll:

Mousebounce 01-28-2003 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongoose
woooo woooo mousey :D


black sheep ale is very nice! try to find some in yankeeland, ask your students if you cant find any. Im sure they know all about beer :D


Beer...at 12...lord. :oops:

Black sheep ale...what is that??? I am drinking some Sapporo myself right now. :D A little Japanese for me. :D

Mongoose 01-28-2003 02:04 AM

eeeey people from rotherham and Doncaster drink at 12!! and Im sure by 12 I had had cider :S


http://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/ from the yorkshire Dales where I come from originally before I moved to crappy south yorkshire

choclady 01-28-2003 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongoose
eeeey people from rotherham and Doncaster drink at 12!! and Im sure by 12 I had had cider :S


http://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/ from the yorkshire Dales where I come from originally before I moved to crappy south yorkshire

keep bitching about south yorkshire, goose and i'm gonna have to reconsider marrying you! :evil: :x

Mousebounce 01-28-2003 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mongoose
eeeey people from rotherham and Doncaster drink at 12!! and Im sure by 12 I had had cider :S


http://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/ from the yorkshire Dales where I come from originally before I moved to crappy south yorkshire

You scare me. :P

http://www.reggie.net/album.php?albid=637

choclady 01-28-2003 02:08 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jedijovi 01-28-2003 02:13 AM

Folks it was just a little black humor- anyone who knows me knows I am a huge Bruce fan. But we were discussing today over at Greasy Lake that we would love to see an E Street band album now not based on a tragedy. And I really do think Bruce has covered the whole 9/11 thing so thoroughly that especially now, almost two years later, yet another 9/11 song would not cut it, no matter how great a song it is.

The Pollstar numbers are from the US.


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:34 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11.
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.