Originally Posted by Becky (Post 712373)

Ever notice how people often like the bonus tracks more than the album tracks? I think it's mental (myself included): something about the songs that are the underdog songs since they didn't quite make the cut.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 712373)

Ever notice how people often like the bonus tracks more than the album tracks? I think it's mental (myself included): something about the songs that are the underdog songs since they didn't quite make the cut.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 712373)

Ever notice how people often like the bonus tracks more than the album tracks? I think it's mental (myself included): something about the songs that are the underdog songs since they didn't quite make the cut.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 712373)

Ever notice how people often like the bonus tracks more than the album tracks? I think it's mental (myself included): something about the songs that are the underdog songs since they didn't quite make the cut.

Originally Posted by windy miller (Post 712428)

... I think nowadays they play it safe!..With the earlier albums it was "This is us, this is what we do, hope you like it" now it's more "Which songs will appeal most to the mass market...the diehards will buy it anyway!";)

Originally Posted by windy miller (Post 712436)

...mmmm can't remember Deb!...I do remember the singer blocking some of my view of the show though! ;) ....
Ok so if Jon chooses tracks on feelings or lack of each time that's a good thing...but someone needs to hit the overide button now and then!...he's admitted in the past that he's rubbish at picking the songs for the CD's

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 712490)

I think another reason might be that the demoes and non album-tracks maybe seem more raw, real and honest to people. You know, everything doesn´t sound like it needs to be hit, Jon´s vocal are based more on emotion than singing technique and every second isn´t produced to perfection.. I sometimes think that the old material has more of a real feeling to it, can´t really explain why. But like someone here said, the band went more their own way back then and didn´t care that much about what was getting played on the radio.
So I think that might be something about the demoes and non album-tracks that appeal at least the old school Bon Jovi-fans.

Originally Posted by strickamania (Post 712678)

Could someone tell me what album and version this song is from, I have US, Japan, and UK HAND's and know nothing of this song. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 712374)

Personally, I think some of the Bounce demos run rings around a few they put on that album.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 712373)

Ever notice how people often like the bonus tracks more than the album tracks? I think it's mental (myself included): something about the songs that are the underdog songs since they didn't quite make the cut.

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 712836)

Yeah I suppose you've got a point, but when you compare them to songs like Wildflowers, Bells of Freedom and Complicated it makes you wonder why the hell they didn't make the cut.

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 713671)

Oh for My sake.

If Nothing would've been on the album & I am was leaked somehow as a left-behind, it would be all the same yet the opposite...
Anyway, it works for me also, Nothing sucks just as much as I am and I am sucks just as much as Nothing.
(not saying there aren't any good songs on HAND)

And why the **** is BioGay allowed to share a MP3???

Originally Posted by APK876 (Post 713720)

In regards to B-sides vs. regular album tracks, I agree with the notion that post 2000, the band has made some serious mistakes with album song choices.

CRUSH
Overall, we all have our favorites and we love some songs more than others, however, "Thank you..." could have easily been replaced (not enough heart in that one) and "Save The World" is just god awful.

BOUNCE
Easily the album where half of it (IMO) should have been dumped and replaced by demos. EVERYONE agrees that there were some serious mistakes with the song selection on this album. It's a shame because I think it's easily the band weakest album and one that will not stand the test of time. In fact, every b-side sounds better than half of the album.

HAND
A pretty solid representation of songs, I just feel that they slept through the writing process. There are some damn good songs on it, but few "classics". I do feel that "Nothing" and "Unbreakable" were far superior to "Wildflower" and "Bells of Freedom".

I think the box set showcases how many damn good songs these guys have. I have to tell ya, I wish they would be a little more daring in their song selections and write from their gut and their heart instead of trying to write a big hit. The record industry that Bon Jovi grew up in and had major sucess in is dying a very fast death. In 5 years time, it won't be about where your album debuted, how many number one's you have or how many records you sold worldwide...it'll be about the live performance and credibility.

Their best music (SWW, NJ, KTF, These Days) came when they took chances and dared to be different.

xTony

Originally Posted by Mongoose (Post 713843)

First time I've heard that, sounds pretty cool

Originally Posted by APK876 (Post 714851)

In regards to...

The song helped her get through loosing just about everything to Katrina. Picturing what used to be the Gulf Coast while listening to those lyrics touches my heart. The lyrics of that song were able to take on a meaning they never intended. I think that's one of Jon & Richie's gifts as songwriters. They do write songs that can appeal to people in situations they never imagined when they wrote the song.QUOTE]

I'm glad your friend found something in it, but compared to numerous other songs by other artists, I cringe when I hear it, it's really a low level reach, especially politically. JBJ mentioned how he wrote it to appease both the left and right wing people where if he had written what he really felt from his gut versus being worried what people would think, I think we would have a better song. It's VERY well intentioned but compared to hundreds of other songs I have heard, it's weak (IMO). Please remember, it's my feelings only. But after hearing BOF I can see why Springsteen fans make fun of JBJ.


Were they really taking chances and being different with SWW and NJ? QUOTE]

Yes, they were using a acoustic guitar, recording in mono, talk box, etc. SWW was different from what else was out there and NJ was recorded from the gut without constant "over thinking". Really, did the minor changes to HAND and Complicated really improve the songs? No. In fact, they dumbed them down.

What it boils down to me is that they have sold 100 million records, had another #1 song, sold out stadiums in the US....what other reasures could he possibly want?

At some point, I want the band to go back to their roots and create music that will not sound embarassing a decade from now. I want complicated albums that may take me a year to appreciate rather than chasing commcerial dreams of grandeur.

xT

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 714860)

I see your point but I simply disagree about NJ. NJ took no chances, was rushed to get out and was merely SWW pt 2 in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I love the album, I just don't believe it was all that different than it's predecessor. I went into this agreeing with Becky that SWW was just another 80's album, albeit a frigging great one but I never thought of it your way. They did do a lot different than the current (at the time, obviously) rock scene, good points.