Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1265466)

He is right to write about it, but not everyone is logical and measured. And will turn it political. BLM came off the back of this in the UK and that certainly was political.

People sometimes want to turn to music to escape the political bullshit going on around the world and, for me personally, it’s not something I need to listen to again. I’m more than aware that George Floyd was brutally murdered


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Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1265467)

Yes I know, you’re right. But not everyone thinks like that. It’s a sad reality.


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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265468)

That's fair. I think I'm just tired of the last 20 years of bumper sticker material from the band and it's cool to see something of substance. It's not like the board was raving with pride and accolades over the empty-well-meaning songs from the last ten years. They're in a real damned if you do damned if you don't at this point of the career.

Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1265470)

I get it entirely. 37 years of writing music I guess it’s only so long you can write about the same stuff. It’s just not my cup of tea. I’m hoping the new album has some decent rock to it at least


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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265465)

I just don't understand what the implication is. A man died after being pinned down for 8 minutes. People are rioting and revolting because that's not right. I don't see that as politics, it's a human injustice.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265472)

You want the truthful answer to that question!!! It's the Democrats that made it political... They turned it into a Trump thing so they could use it against him in the election. Just like the way they take every negative situation and turn it against him. That's how desperate they are. And of course, you have to believe everything the media says.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265473)

I love love LOVE how you turned me saying "I don't think this is about Trump" and turned it around to say that. So hell-bent on disproving a point I wasn't even making.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265472)

You want the truthful answer to that question!!! It's the Democrats that made it political... They turned it into a Trump thing so they could use it against him in the election. Just like the way they take every negative situation and turn it against him. That's how desperate they are. And of course, you have to believe everything the media says.

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265475)

Yes, not about Trump. It is about racism. But he should have spoken out against it but again, he was too busy talking about himself instead of showing empathy.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265476)

Not heartfelt enough for you? Or did you miss it because the media didn't show it?

Did you see the part where he called the Floyd family wonderful people? Did you see the part where he said justice will be served? Did you see the part where he said he's going to escalate it this from a local to a federal crime?

Such a racist that president! The media is so right. But I'm gullible so I'll just believe what the media said and ignore the actual video I just watched.

And this is why Trump will be reelected in 2020. Not because of the Russians, or the Aliens, or the Martians, or whoever else the Democrats can conjure up.

https://youtu.be/otqkKN-wdl8

Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1265484)

Could you please stop bringing your Trump propaganda any time it's possible ? We're here to talk about music.

And like many here, I don't see what's political about American Reckoning, unless considering everything in life is politics.

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265488)

I am sorry for bringing in politics.

I hope American Reckoning will generate lots of money for the Legal Justice Initiative, though. 100 %. Jon is all about beeing greedy again :-D

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265488)

I am sorry for bringing in politics.

I hope American Reckoning will generate lots of money for the Legal Justice Initiative, though. 100 %. Jon is all about beeing greedy again :-D

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265493)

Curious: what is The Justice League Initiative?

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1265490)

It won't make a dent on the charts.

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1265400)

Aloha !



Yes, your standards have been horribly lowered. You're making up excuses as to why you think you should like it. That step in the right direction is mentioned every time Jon changes something up that's supposedly better.

The heavy guitars on Bounce were a step in the right direction. And no weak ballads on Have A Nice Day were a step in the direction. And the production on Lost Highway was a step in the right direction. And the absence of country songs on The Circle were a step in the right direction. The production on What About Now were a step in the right direction.

Jon's taken so many steps in the right direction he ought to be there by now but for every step in the right direction he still takes two backwards.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1265501)

Sorry Seb, but I don't think anybody ever said that about the production in WAN.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1265319)

Aloha !

I think it's the first decent song in years. It's clear there's no band behind him anymore to help with the arrangements though. It's a shame the music's not allowed to breathe more, the harmonica solo could break things open but it doesn't. It's why songs produced like this are forgettable, the arrangement isn't surprising or entertaining enough to keep me listening and wanting to hear it again. The chorus isn't that great with your usual "stay alive, stand your ground" nonsense that needs to be in every Bon Jovi song. I've also got a hard time listening to Jon sing on studio records, the way he pronounces some words sound like he's had a stroke at times. Overall, still not bad and it sounds a lot more honest than drivel like Knockout.

6/10

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265504)

I don't think anyone has ever said that something was a step in the right direction period. He makes up his own theories.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265504)

I don't think anyone has ever said that something was a step in the right direction period. He makes up his own theories.

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Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1265507)

No, you are wrong. The other points lots of people said were a step in the right direction. I just never saw anyone praising the production of What About Now, that's all.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265506)

Loads of people here pinpoint something being a step in the right direction. Hell, even YOU said THINFS is a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265512)

Nope.

Fans liked the heavy guitars on Bounce but no one ever said it was a step in the right direction.

No weak ballad on HAND is just outright stupid. Why would any fan want a "weak ballad" on any album?

I don't remember anyone saying the production on Lost Highway was a step in the right direction. It was spoken about a lot because it was split between the two producers and fans liked the outcome. But no one ever said it was a step in the right direction.

Fans hated the county idea, period.... so it was more of a "Thank Goodness"!!! There are no country songs on The Circle.



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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265525)

I understand YOU feeling that way on those opinions but there are people on the board, myself included, that have said the guitars on Bounce compared to the luke-warm tones on Crush to be a step in the right direction to a heavier sound. The natural production on LH was a huge contrast to the brickwalled production on HAND. You don't have to feel the same way to talk as if no one has ever said it. Use the search function, it's out there. I've certainly thought everything Seb mentioned minus the WAN production being a step in the right direction. I'd neeeeeeeever think that haha.

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265496)

The download will generate money and the song will be on the album. So it might generate some.

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1265424)

https://youtu.be/hlk7o5T56iw

Listen to the intro. Also the rest of the lyrics, if you want to. They're both excellent.

Originally Posted by eddie73 (Post 1265545)

About £50 , its shocking !

Originally Posted by JerseyGiant (Post 1265656)

First time I've not rushed to listen to a new "Bon Jovi" song ... Flat, boring and another snooze fest - Will hold out for the album as I enjoyed This House, but another disappointment.

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265685)

I think that if you think it is boring you do not understand the song

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1265686)

What a odd comment.
I’m sure they understand the meaning but it doesn’t stop them from finding the song boring.
Same goes for unbroken.


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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265687)

I rephrase. If you think this is boring, I think you are missing something. This is the opposite of flat.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265688)

Just stop already!

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