Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265695)

However many weeks later, I stand by my rating of 7 out of 10. I agree with what people are saying, it's needs a melodic hook. August 7th is a downer of a song but it's at least musically compelling. Melodically this ain't doing it for me BUT I can still say I like the song and the way it's written.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265695)

However many weeks later, I stand by my rating of 7 out of 10. I agree with what people are saying, it's needs a melodic hook. August 7th is a downer of a song but it's at least musically compelling. Melodically this ain't doing it for me BUT I can still say I like the song and the way it's written.

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265697)

Many days, you mean, right? ;-)

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265699)

Has it only been a few days? Haha it legit feels like April still.

I agree with you in that it's not flat in meaning, just in melody. The lyrics are pretty powerful and paint an emotional picture.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265703)

These vocals on this current song were done in his home studio and you can tell they were not fully masted as they would be on a final album. And because of that, it's a fail for me

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265710)

I don't understand this point. His vocals are typically recorded at his home studio, they very well could have been recorded there and mastered elsewhere. Has it been confirmed he recorded it at home? I assume so but I didn't see any specifics.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1265721)

I just think it was a rushed job. His home studio may not be state of the art anymore, but certainly good enough to have all the equipment to record a clean vocal track for Shanks to work with. It simply sounds bad because there's no wall of sound in this track where you can disguise Jon by robotic vocals.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265722)

Yeah this. His vocals are almost always recorded at home, it's the after processing that might be a little different. It literally does not matter where he records his vocals.

Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1265685)

I think that if you think it is boring you do not understand the song

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265723)

You keep saying that but that's not true. He recorded in NYC and Memphis. When he would record at Sanctuary 2, he had a full studio, he was working with a producer, and he had a better voice so it didn't really matter anyway...

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265735)

My point was more being equipment doesn't = better vocal takes. I'm sure he downgraded his home studio setup but the work on his vocals would be done AFTER the fact and once Shanks gets the raw files then the work would begin. It's not like the vocals are sounding worse because of a janky setup, I wonder if the turnaround was a little quicker due to the subject matter and Shanks didn't have a chance to do his patented wall-of-sound producing. *Shrugs* just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1265427)

After two listens, I don't like it. There is nothing that makes me want to listen to it again.



Similar to Unbroken, the lyrics are so literal. There are some lines which are well written, but majority of it is either a cliche or a specific sentence like a headline you'd read in a newspaper. I want the romance in the lyrics back. More abstract and poetic lines.



I do like Jon's low voice in the verses, and the music is calming and gentle. But I'm picking at straws trying to find a positive.



3/10

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267415)

How does everybody interpret the line "I'll never know what it's like, to walk a mile in his shoes?" Is this directly about George Floyd or a more general comment about the problems facing black people in America? If its the former I'd be quite disappointed in Jon given Floyd's criminal past.

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Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267415)

This is exactly how I feel. I've been trying to find a way to write it down but you've done it for me.

The literal lyrics remind me of Randy Newman in Family Guy. Just sing about what you see.

How does everybody interpret the line "I'll never know what it's like, to walk a mile in his shoes?" Is this directly about George Floyd or a more general comment about the problems facing black people in America? If its the former I'd be quite disappointed in Jon given Floyd's criminal past.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1267417)

I totally agree with this!!!

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1267421)

Took it to mean general comment african americans face everyday.



Criminal past or not it doesn't justify the actions by the police, that's more the angle Jon is taking in the song.

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267422)

It just doesn't sit easy with me. Is Jon really saying how can I judge this man, a career criminal, because I've never walked a mile in his shoes? I think that's potentially quite dangerous.

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Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267415)

How does everybody interpret the line "I'll never know what it's like, to walk a mile in his shoes?" Is this directly about George Floyd or a more general comment about the problems facing black people in America? If its the former I'd be quite disappointed in Jon given Floyd's criminal past.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1267424)

I just don't think most people are seeing it like that though. I hear what you're saying but that isn't what's causing the outrage.

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267428)

I didn't realise there was any outrage regarding it. I've just been trying hard to get into the song but I just can't get past that line, unfortunately.

Perhaps it is more general given the line after about not having to have the talk. That and the fact the verse before the first chorus does directly deal with Floyd, it would be weird to carry it on for one line after the chorus, if that makes sense?

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1267427)

Aloha !



Even if it's both it still makes perfect sense. Going by the amount of racism that's still so prevalent in America and the many, many (white) people denying and/or not understanding the issue by coming up with an "all lives matters" Jon's got every right to say he'll never know what it's like to walk in his shoes.

Sure, Floyd had a criminal history but why is it that so many people of color face such differentent treatment to acquiring a job, access to education, access to proper housing and acquiring punishment compared to a white person? A white person in America is priviledged indeed. Even if they've got the same criminal history.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1267430)

I was just typing out a long response and I saw you responded and I knew you'd say what I would not say as well!


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Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267432)

Can I just say I'm in no way endorsing what happened to George Floyd. Just in my own personal opinion, the line is a poor choice, if indeed it is directly about him.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1267433)

Aloha !







But can you explain why?



Salaam Aleikum,

Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1267434)

I have, above.

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1267436)

Aloha !



Yes, and you asked if it made sense, and it doesn't to me, hence me asking you again. :)

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1267542)

You know who also has a criminal history? Doc McGhee.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1267543)

Did Doc hold a gun to a pregnant ladies stomach while 4 guys raped her?

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1267427)

Aloha !



Even if it's both it still makes perfect sense. Going by the amount of racism that's still so prevalent in America and the many, many (white) people denying and/or not understanding the issue by coming up with an "all lives matters" Jon's got every right to say he'll never know what it's like to walk in his shoes.

Sure, Floyd had a criminal history but why is it that so many people of color face such differentent treatment to acquiring a job, access to education, access to proper housing and acquiring punishment compared to a white person? A white person in America is priviledged indeed. Even if they've got the same criminal history.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1267544)

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Pardon?

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1267545)

Look up affirmative action and educate yourself. We also voted a black president in for two terms so opportunity is there. It's all in what opression bullshit you want to believe.

All you people from other countries think Socialism is the answer to everything.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1267543)

Did Doc hold a gun to a pregnant ladies stomach while 4 guys raped her?

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1267549)

Where is this charge substantiated? I mean the rape part? I see the charge for robbery in 2007 and the statement on the gun held to her stomach but nothing else. Also, I'm amazed that a victim of obvious police brutality winds up being the one demonized.


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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1267546)

If we're going to compare Doc's criminal history to Georg Floyd

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1267552)

Show me where the court records show there was a pregnant woman or rape. The charge doesn't show either. That was only in bullshit memes.


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