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FighterBJ 01-26-2021 01:58 AM

Social Disease Thread
 
What do you think of the song? Do you think it should of been replaced with one of the outtakes? It's my favourite song ever and I'd love to hear the community's thoughts on it ! :D

Captain_jovi 01-26-2021 02:29 AM

One of the weaker songs for me.

bonjovi90 01-26-2021 03:11 AM

Never have been a big fan of it. Would've loved for Borderline to have made that cut. But there's certainly songs from the band's catalogue I like less. Though not many from the 80s [emoji28]

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FighterBJ 01-26-2021 03:28 AM

I prefer Borderline over the album version as well though the faster live versions I'm a huge fan of. Shame that it was only documented 10 times :(

YOVANAfromPeru 01-26-2021 04:59 AM

Deleted from my playlist for obvious reasons.

eddie73 01-26-2021 08:48 AM

Iv always loved the song , don’t understand the hate for it ! Certainly better than edge of a broken heart in my book , if there is one song I would change , i would replace without love , for borderline

bonboy25 01-26-2021 08:52 AM

Not gonna lie, its the song on slippery I always forget about, but always enjoy the surprise when it comes on. No idea why I forget about it, cool song.

Alphavictim 01-26-2021 12:38 PM

The intro seriously dates the song; they wouldn't be caught dead pulling stuff like that afterwards. The tune itself is... unremarkable. Not sure what I'd replace it with; obviously Edge of a Broken Heart is a great track, but you'd need to keep the flow of the album in mind, too.

bonjovi90 01-26-2021 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1271932)
The intro seriously dates the song; they wouldn't be caught dead pulling stuff like that afterwards. The tune itself is... unremarkable. Not sure what I'd replace it with; obviously Edge of a Broken Heart is a great track, but you'd need to keep the flow of the album in mind, too.

Very much agreed. That's what I've also always been saying with New Jersey. There may be better single tracks here and there in the outtakes, but in terms of the album's flow, I'd never change it. With Slippery, I stick with the opinion that Borderline could've worked in the album's flow, Edge only as a bonus track though. With Social Disease - yeah, it's catchy and has energy, but it's also more or less a typical generic pop-rock sound overall like many from that era that have been forgotten since then.

Butters 01-26-2021 11:37 PM

Rubbish.

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james_d 01-27-2021 12:11 AM

By far the worst song on the album

FighterBJ 01-27-2021 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie73 (Post 1271922)
Iv always loved the song , don’t understand the hate for it ! Certainly better than edge of a broken heart in my book , if there is one song I would change , i would replace without love , for borderline

Couldn't agree more. Without Love would've fit the debut very very well, probably even Fahrenheit but in my opinion it never had that SWW vibe which Borderline definitely has.

rickysambo 01-27-2021 04:37 PM

Great song, Great Riff!
It has a bit of the tongue in cheek/Aerosmith vibe which is sort of missing from the rest of the album. And for an album that was supposed to have a lady's bosoms on the cover, it badly needs it. And come to think of it, what other Bon Jovi song is NSFW? (that intro).

Captain_jovi 01-27-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rickysambo (Post 1271992)
Great song, Great Riff!
It has a bit of the tongue in cheek/Aerosmith vibe which is sort of missing from the rest of the album. And for an album that was supposed to have a lady's bosoms on the cover, it badly needs it. And come to think of it, what other Bon Jovi song is NSFW? (that intro).

Let's Make It Baby takes that cake and entire bakery haha.

polevka 01-27-2021 05:44 PM

Not a great song and I tend to forget about it too.
But come to think of it I kinda like it. It is a have-some-fun-and-don't-take-it-too-serious song.

I really like Borderline but it would have changed the mood of the whole album somehow.
Edge of a Broken Heart has a very weak chorus = not album material.

rickysambo 01-27-2021 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271993)
Let's Make It Baby takes that cake and entire bakery haha.

Sure, I thought of that but then realised it's not on any studio album. Even that's done with some subtlety but Social Disease has straight up porn audio in the intro.

Captain_jovi 01-27-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rickysambo (Post 1271995)
Sure, I thought of that but then realised it's not on any studio album. Even that's done with some subtlety but Social Disease has straight up porn audio in the intro.

For some reason I thought LMIB was a bonus track, my bad.

Alphavictim 01-27-2021 07:26 PM

It's on the New Jersey deluxe edition, so it is officially available.

Faceman 01-27-2021 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1271997)
It's on the New Jersey deluxe edition, so it is officially available.

And on the These Days 2-CD Deluxe Edition from 1996.

Thinny 01-27-2021 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rickysambo (Post 1271992)
It has a bit of the tongue in cheek/Aerosmith vibe which is sort of missing from the rest of the album.

Didn't Jon once tell a story about Steven Tyler hearing Social Disease while the band were recording it and he asked Jon if Aerosmith could have it for the Permanent Vacation album? And Jon thought that if he wants it it must be good and said no. Anyone else remember that!?

Alphavictim 01-28-2021 12:17 AM

I remember Aerosmith asking for it at least.

Rdkopper 01-28-2021 12:31 AM

Great Tune and fits perfect. I think anyone who grew up during that time will understand this next statement.

At a time when people listened to albums all the way through, Social Disease was the song between Prayer and Wanted. It's a staple song on that album especially because of the intro. Back then you didn't listen track by track. You listened from start to finish.

Everyone back then also knows that when you flipped over that tape and the guitar intro to Raise Your Hand takes off, it's the continuum of an epic journey.

Replacing Social Disease is like fixing mistakes in the original Star Wars movie.

It's the bridge between Prayer and Wanted... putting anything else in that spot just wouldn't work.

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Savvi 01-28-2021 02:38 PM

I don't hate it, but it is my least favourite track on Slippery. Borderline on the other hand, 110% should've been on the album (as with Edge).

Those who are saying you don't understand why people dislike it... I feel the same way about Without Love. I think that's a great track.

Side note - I edited the track and deleted the intro so no surprise sex noises if it comes on shuffle :lol:

Captain_jovi 01-28-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by savvi (Post 1272039)
i don't hate it, but it is my least favourite track on slippery. Borderline on the other hand, 110% should've been on the album (as with edge).

Those who are saying you don't understand why people dislike it... I feel the same way about without love. I think that's a great track.

Side note - i edited the track and deleted the intro so no surprise sex noises if it comes on shuffle :lol:

haha me too.

Johny 01-28-2021 03:57 PM

I love the London Horns version from London 1990, both Wembley and Hammersmith Odeon.

Rdkopper 01-29-2021 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1272039)

Side note - I edited the track and deleted the intro so no surprise sex noises if it comes on shuffle [emoji38]

Yep. Along with Tokyo Road and Justice In The Barrel

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eddie73 01-29-2021 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1272015)
Didn't Jon once tell a story about Steven Tyler hearing Social Disease while the band were recording it and he asked Jon if Aerosmith could have it for the Permanent Vacation album? And Jon thought that if he wants it it must be good and said no. Anyone else remember that!?


I was just about to post that as well, yes its true Tyler wanted it for PV....I thinks its a great song, it fitted in with scene of that era
, its one of my faves on the album. I actually rate it above bad name, less pop more rock with a certain sleaze feel to it

Faceman 01-29-2021 09:29 AM

Social Disease always was THE skip song on Slippery for me. It never did something for me.
So because of that thread I gave it another listen. I think Richie's guitar work is superb, as usual in that period. And the verses also go over pretty well. But the chorus is the problem. It lacks the power that Bon Jovi choruses usually have. It almost seems like a guide vocal in a demo with just Jon singing it. If they had done the chorus in a different, more powerful way with the band singing backing vocals as well, it would have been a better song in my book.

bonjovi90 01-29-2021 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1272079)
Social Disease always was THE skip song on Slippery for me. It never did something for me.
So because of that thread I gave it another listen. I think Richie's guitar work is superb, as usual in that period. And the verses also go over pretty well. But the chorus is the problem. It lacks the power that Bon Jovi choruses usually have. It almost seems like a guide vocal in a demo with just Jon singing it. If they had done the chorus in a different, more powerful way with the band singing backing vocals as well, it would have been a better song in my book.

Similar here, though I kind of feel that it would've worked better for Aerosmith.
But of their 4 big albums, this and Woman In Love are my skip songs. I don't mind Social Disease, but it does nothing for me.

steel_horse75 01-29-2021 01:18 PM

Social Disease Thread
 
I’d never pick it out to play on a playlist but when it comes up on the album I enjoy it.
Damn the pizza parlour jury who deemed this and without love better than, Game of the Heart, borderline and edge of a broken heart.


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Sami 01-30-2021 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1272023)
Great Tune and fits perfect. I think anyone who grew up during that time will understand this next statement.

At a time when people listened to albums all the way through, Social Disease was the song between Prayer and Wanted. It's a staple song on that album especially because of the intro. Back then you didn't listen track by track. You listened from start to finish.

Everyone back then also knows that when you flipped over that tape and the guitar intro to Raise Your Hand takes off, it's the continuum of an epic journey.

Replacing Social Disease is like fixing mistakes in the original Star Wars movie.

It's the bridge between Prayer and Wanted... putting anything else in that spot just wouldn't work.

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Great post. Agreed 100%.

I was about to comment on this thread but this post perfectly sums up how I see this.

It all comes down to continuity and the overall flow of the album. On Slippery, Social Disease merely works as a bridge between two of the greatest tracks of the 80’s. It’s a solid album track even if it lacks hit potential. It’s still fun and catchy.

It sort of reminds me of Homebound Train. It was never meant to be a defining song for the band, yet it serves it’s purpose very well indeed.

Back in the days, you’d listen to the whole album, not just the hits. Even today, every time I hear the final choruses of Prayer, I expect to hear the intro of Social Disease in just a few seconds.

That said, I admit I’d love to hear Aerosmith’s rendition of it. I’m convinced it would have been an outstanding Aerosmith track.

I used to love Borderline back then, yet I think it’s a bit dated... It hasn’t aged that well I guess. It never was in the same league as Bad Name or Prayer or Wanted. It would better fit on an earlier album. I guess it represents the kind of Bon Jovi there would have been without Desmond Child.

I love Edge of A Broken Heart, too, but I can’t see a spot for it on the album, either. If I remember correctly, wasn’t it the first track ever written by JB/RS/DC? Even the guitar riff sort or reminds me of Bad Name.


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