So you've ripped it.............
 

Question for those who ripped it .....Will you now buy it?
Im not ripping it gonna buy it.

I'm considering ripping it and buying it for $5 when it's in the same bin The Circle was in months after release. Only because I'm a completest.

Ripping = transferring the contents of a CD to a computer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping)
Downloading = downloading a leaked album from the internet

You can't "rip" the album if you haven't got the CD. You can download it, though.

Ice

My thoughts!

And my answer is - neither! I might stream it the odd 2-3 times once it's available on Spotify.

I should have changed the word from ripped/downloaded to stole!

I love how some things stay the same around here. :D

I don't have a CD player anywhere in my house, and the one in the car is broken.
Therefore I won't be purchasing the CD at any point.....

Can the songs be bought separately on iTunes ?

Like it I wanted Water and I'm With You and not the rest. At the moment it says album only bu the rest of the Jovi albums allow you to buy the songs on their own.

Downloaded it yesterday, got it today and will rip it later.

I might download it a few more times because I can.

In fact I may even burn it to a CD and sell it at my local bar.

Of course I'm going to buy it, while it was downloading I went to my CD store, they told me that it was out on Monday, that they might have it but can't sell it. So, I'll have to wait until monday.

Absolutely buying it!!!! I think I could afford to spend 12 bucks on an album every 3+ years.

I don't think this album is as nearly as bad as most make it out to be. I'm glad I waited to listen to the completed songs before making my finial opinion because even with the 90 second snippets and live versions, I wasn't convinced. I will be completely happy once I get the final product with perfect sound.

A real Bon Jovi fan owns all the albums and does not have downloaded stolen albums in their collection. I think you would appreciate the music more owning the physical CD anyway. Just My Opinion!

As far as ripping it, I rip all my Bon Jovi music to keep the originals in good shape.

No. I only spend my money on good albums.

You could also spend the 9 bucks and dowload it leagally to ensure a better sound.

I don't get the people who come here day after day, consider themselves diehards, and then don't purchase the album. But then on top of it, have the balls to complain about it.

That's like someone stealing a computer and then complaing to the manufacturer that they don't like certain features.

Have some CHARACTER people!

No, I don't do downloading in any form...but how does $9 ensure better sound?

So you are saying that you have to buy everything to be a fan? And on top of that you are not allowed to complaing on something you don't like/enjoy? From my point of view, speaking out loud about ones dislikes about the band one likes shows more character than blind admiration.

In my opinion a die-hard should own at least every official release!

How can someone say "I'm a die-hard but I only own 7 albums because the remaining 5 suck"? or "I'm a die-hard but my collection was downloaded illegally"?

There is also a fine line between stating an opinion on something you don't like and the constant harping on something you don't own.

If you listened to the album and don't like it, you absolutely have every right to state an opinion. However, there are people who download it illegally and make comments like they own it. I have a problem with credibility when it comes to someone stating something surrounding certain factors when they don't officially own the thing.

Maybe I'm old school but again, it comes down to Character!

Jesus, then get lost and go jerk off on the Bowie message board. Man, I get being negative about some things, but you don't like ANYTHING the band has done at all recently.

Are you seriously asking this question? You really need it spelled out...

The person who doesn't own a CD player wants to download the leaked version in shitty quality. My suggestion was to pay the 9.99 to get it in better quality from i-tunes

Good One DanFan!!!

One listen and they give up. Sometimes albums need to grow on people. You get accustomed to listening to one thing or you are expecting something else. I hated DA when it first came out. I wanted Blaze Of Glory 2. I put it away after one listen. Now it's one of my favorite albums.

If you're a die-hard fan of the band. You'll buy the album. Listen to it for an extended amount of time before giving up.

I'd bet that 90% of the people who complain around here don't even own the albums.

I'll be buying it on Monday, hopefully :cool:

Amazon's just sent my CD :cool:

If Jon releases a CD titled "sounds of me shitting in the bathroom", I know who's gonna buy it ^

I like the new album to a degree, but yours comments make no sense.

Theres fans on here who followed the band from before I was born and some of them don't like / own the new material. That doesn't make them any less of a fan. If they think the new album is crap, why would they waste their money on it ?

If I watch an illegal Bluray download of "The Dark Knight Rises", I can make as good a critique on its quality as the person who bought the disc, it doesn't matter if its right or wrong to download.

Blind love for the band no matter what they put out is just stupid.

Another pole, yay :|

The reason why you are a big die-hard fan is because you like most, if not all, of the material. So yes, it does make them less of a fan. A Bon Jovi fan from '84 to '95 is less of a fan from '84 to '13.

I never said that you need to like 100% of everything but you should own at least every official album, like it or not. If you don't like anything from 2000 forward and don't own anything you are no longer a fan as far as I'm concerned. You were a fan up until 2000 and are now just a fan of the older catalog. I would not consider that person a die-hard fan.

As far as your The Dark Knight Rises analogy goes, I never said that you can't make an opinion if you listen to the album.

I said that there is a fine line of an opinion verses someone who is always bitching and complaining about an album they don't own.

Bottom Line - There is no official definition of a Die-Hard Fan. But A true fan supports their band by owning every official release legally.

After 30 years, if this band gave me a bad release, I'm not going to turn my back on them because they gave me 29 other good ones. Once you no longer feel that way, you are no longer a die-hard fan.

Even If I hated WAN, I would still buy it because
A. I would be stealing it if I didn't
B. This is the only 1 purchase that I feel is necessary to support a band.
C. I want to give the album a chance
D. There are always highlights in each album and as a Die-Hard I still find it somewhat enjoyable


If you flat out hated the last 3 albums, you are no longer a current fan which makes you now longer a die-hard. If you think that they are just ok, you should own them.

Realistically that would never happen and this might be one of the stupidest childish things I ever read here. It's a wonder why I stop posting.

WAN is not even close to "sounds of me shitting in the bathroom"

To get back to a realistic adult conversation, one of the 100 reasons why I'm a fan is becasue of Bon Jovi's consistency. They always deliver a decent to great product every time.

However I will make the one exception for Sexx Att, if a title does comes out "sounds of me shitting in the bathroom" you have my permission to not purchase that release without any ramifications.

These people who don't like the new stuff give the new stuff a chance and choose not to buy something they deem to be crap. These fans still follow the band and await a day they improve their quality. A die hard isn't someone who just goes with it, because they feel they're obligated to be loyal to the band. You don't need to be loyal to a group of millionaires +.

i-tunes, or any compressed source is shitty quality. Price doesn't make any difference. Seems like you needed it spelled out.

Downloaded the leak yesterday but of course will still buy it. Typically buy albums off iTunes, but most likely will buy a physical copy to share with Mom.

Aloha !

Downloaded it, listened to it once, then turned it off by the time I'd reached the bonus tracks. Won't buy it, and I have to be in a really good mood to buy a second hand copy. The 3,50 I'd have to spend on it I feel is better spend on something else that I actually do like.

Yeah...I went to 7 shows of the 2011 tour but didn't buy the Greatest Hits. I saw more than 10 shows in 2010, travelled 10.000 miles and saw shows in 3 different countries yet hadn't liked a new Bon Jovi album in years. I've got at least 3 different copies of every record up to Bounce, with 7 different copies of These Days topping the list. I've bought every single CD single that's out there back when I still liked the output of the band, making me own at least 100 different official CD's, whether it's a single, maxi single, bonus disc or just a regular copy of a disc. I spend 5 years running a Bon Jovi bootleg community and have a website that is one of the most visited Bon Jovi sites out there. All of this is not meant to brag, but just to point out how I am supporting this band.

But, according to your fine criteria I'm not a die hard, because I don't like the new music. When it comes to "supporting" this band, I think I can say I've done my fair share of it. I get tired of people on here slamming others for not liking what they like and saying they're not a fan because I don't live up to their standards. Because really, if we're measuring what defines a die hard by the amount of support people show for them I think it's fair to say I've supported this band than many other people who have been there from the beginning, and I doubt you've spend as much money, time and energy on this band, despite, according to you, having followed them from the beginning. Everyone supports this band in their own way, so stop being so judgemental of other peoples motives when there's no legimate reason for it apart from your gut feeling. Thank you very much.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Should own everything? Why? I'd like to add that die-hard should own at least 3 different versions of every release. I mean, average Joe can own a local copies, die-hards need to work a little harder to get something less-ordinary. Bah.

With the exeption of things that suck. Not buying such is the only way to send a message back.

Officially own? Sheesh. You know you can listen to things you don't own, legally. At a friends place and so on. So from my point of view such listener is very much allowed to form an opinion, and even dislike. But I'll try to keep in mind that there are people like you who think that opinions can only be based on bought items. Stupid, but now I know you are out there. Not that it makes any difference to me or the way I form my opinions.

Once again you bring up CHARACTER. Something that person who buys everything that has certain name on it on autopilot certainly doesn't show. Maybe I'm old school, but I just think that money should be earned, not given out based on just a name on a cover.

Well, to tell you the truth I think that some of the people who don't like the new stuff already knew they wouldn't like it 2 years ago, coz they "like the old stuff, back when BJ was a great band, blablabla", they "like good music" i.e. they're ok for a Bono's fart but not for Jon's, all that kind of crap.

Anyway you can be a real fan and not buy the new stuff if you don't like it, I'm ok with that.

Oh, and after quick look the leak is actually available already here and there as "flac". So, i-tunes-superior-quality-person, what next?

And no, didn't grab it. I don't enjoy it so I don't bother getting it.

I condem every person who has been downloading it illegally. You people are contributing to the music industry going the way it is. I have never illegally downloaded an official purchase. I have bought every Bon Jovi album I own.

I just think its a bit sad and pathetic that people cannot wait a few days, and as Rdkopper says, make a proper judgement of the finished article in perfect quality. Some people just have no patience at all. If the finished article sucks, then that's fine. We'd have given it chance. But people passing judgement on some ropey download is fallible. You only have to wait a few more hours!

Aloha !

How is people downloading something and then buying it contributing to the music industry the way it is? They're actually saying they'll buy the record anyway. I'd say they're helping record companies make money all based upon the leak, so what difference does it make? The people that don't like it won't buy it either, just like what would happen would a download not be available.

But I reckon you've got every single b-side originally as well, just like everyone else who has an MP3 of Fields Of Fire or the original studio version of Starting All Over Again on their hard drive despite it only having been released on special editions in 1995 and 1992.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Actually I have but I couldn't give a crap if you don't believe me. I PURCHASED These Days Special Edition in 1996 with Fields Of Fire on, owned very CD single released in the UK until circa 2005 when Bon Jovi's CD singles were shite with 1 live track of the same song.

And haven't you just said you've downloaded it but won't buy it? Guaranteed you won't be the only one. Get off your high horse.

Aloha !

It's not a matter of me questioning as to whether you do own the stuff you say you own. Even if you did buy everything released in the U.K. there's still stuff out there that was never released in your country, yet I am pretty sure of you downloaded. Starting All Over Again was never released on CD in the U.K., for instance.

And yeah, I said I downloaded it but won't buy it. Because I think it's shit. I wouldn't have bought it would I not have downloaded it either. This makes no difference to the current situation of record companies and sales going down the drain. I am sure there's people that will download it, keep it, listen to it yet won't buy it, but you won't find them on a Bon Jovi messageboard. Therefore condemning people on here is rather pointless.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Why the hell should I feel ashamed not buying the new album when a concert ticket costs £80+? They're more or less adding the cost of three CDs onto the price of a normal stadium show.

The cheeky ****ers should be glad we can't pirate the live shows somehow.